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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
At least we can claim we have the best codex cover art?

Only the emperor's finest artist for the Grey Knights

QFT

That's why I got the LE Codex. I'll probably get a frame to hang above my desk and cycle through the different art prints that come with the codex.

Well, I can't argue that the cover art isn't good. That is certainly the truth in my book.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
At least we can claim we have the best codex cover art?

Only the emperor's finest artist for the Grey Knights

It's a very pretty cover, that's for sure.

Maybe it will make me feel the tiniest better about how underwhelming the inside seems to be. God, I'm so disappointed with how this codex seems to be shaping up.

 Pox Apostle wrote:
$20 and I can use them in any imperial army, instead of $50 and I could only use them as an elite choice in an allied Grey knights force? Sounds like a deal to me.

I don't think "deal" means what you think it means...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
There are two types of armies in 40k.
- The army that get expanded when they receive a new codex
- The army that get shrunk when they receive a new codex.
You just have to take you bet on which category Inquisition and Assassins belong to!

There are two other types types of army:

- Fake armies that exist as shadows or shells of their former selves, or stillborn armies that aren't really armies (Inquisition, Sisters, Legion of the Damned)
- Dead armies that simply don't exist any more (Lost & The Damned)

Danarc wrote:


"One of the major influences in this Codex is the Horus Heresy novel series." but especially "There were eight Space Marines selected by the Malcador Sigillite to become the first Grey Knights, "says Owen. "One of them, Janus, Became the Chapter's first Grand Master, but the rest are unknown. I keep being asked if Captain Nathaniel Garro is one of them. I think the excitement is in the mystery and we may never know His fairies. My advice: keep reading the Horus Heresy series and see what happens. "
Well I always thought there was nat behind it all, and I like this.

Pretty sure one of the other guys was Garviel Loken

 Pox Apostle wrote:
$20 and I can use them in any imperial army, instead of $50 and I could only use them as an elite choice in an allied Grey knights force? Sounds like a deal to me.

Uh, this is 7th edition. So that's actually '$20 for 4 units that you can use in any army, instead of $50 for a codex full of units that you can use in any army...'

I am both excited and worried for this release. I love my Grey Knights, but I don't want to feel like I am fighting an uphill battle like I did with the old Demon Hunters codex.

Since its just a codex and no models, We will most likely see another that will be getting something new after this. Next week will be the official launch of the codex and maybe something fun for the codex will be revealed. Then we will start seeing new models for either Dark Eldar or Blood Angels. Most Likely it will be Dark Eldar.

..a possiblity of necrons instead? I am voting dark eldar though.

Necrons and DE def need the power boost and some new models.

 Vasarto wrote:
Since its just a codex and no models, We will most likely see another that will be getting something new after this. Next week will be the official launch of the codex and maybe something fun for the codex will be revealed. Then we will start seeing new models for either Dark Eldar or Blood Angels. Most Likely it will be Dark Eldar.

..a possiblity of necrons instead? I am voting dark eldar though.

Necrons and DE def need the power boost and some new models.

Nope, after Grey Knights is some Fantasy book that brings Nagash back.


Unless you meant next 40K release, in which case, yep, probably.

 akwing00 wrote:
At least the codex cover is gorgeous

No, it isnt.

The cover art is horrible compared to anything else released so far.


You are mistaking the awesomeness by looking at the POSE (which is great), the angle from which it is painted, the general idea and concept itself, and of course because it is a FRIKKIN GREY KNIGHT.


But the level of detail is horribly low.

I dont even think it is the same guy who did most of the codex art so far. I think this guy is rather the guy who did the cover for the MT codex - and that art is already sub par.

What I am trying to say is that there is no hyper-realistic 3D effect.

Compare these two covers:



with these two and you'll see what I mean




The latter two look like paintings, while the former two look like computer rendered 3d models

 Sir Arun wrote:

Spoiler:

 akwing00 wrote:
At least the codex cover is gorgeous

No, it isnt.

The cover art is horrible compared to anything else released so far.


You are mistaking the awesomeness by looking at the POSE (which is great), the angle from which it is painted, the general idea and concept itself, and of course because it is a FRIKKIN GREY KNIGHT.


But the level of detail is horribly low.

I dont even think it is the same guy who did most of the codex art so far. I think this guy is rather the guy who did the cover for the MT codex - and that art is already sub par.

What I am trying to say is that there is no hyper-realistic 3D effect.

Compare these two covers:



with these two and you'll see what I mean

The latter two look like paintings, while the former two look like computer rendered 3d models

ok, well IMO it is gorgeous

Sure look like paintings to me.

You mean they did not get an actual marine to get in TDA and take a photo of it ?

Heresy!

Danarc wrote:

Battle: librarian (the same of the marine but silver. nothing hints at new Minia with any bundle. 5 + 5 + 10 PAGK Termy 5, 2 dreddy psyrifle ... without psy, DK and SR. NOT CITE PSYAMMO.
against s 1666 points of demons. I only say that we lose 9 to 3.
"Final Scores: Daemons 9 Grey Knights 3!"


The only positive note seizone BG that seems very extended ( to replace all those pages less).
MAH

Oh man, if they eliminated psybolt ammo as well, that just makes razorback and psyflemen dreads pretty weak. Same with the assaultcannon/hurricane bolter SR configuration. Also no longer anything special about them.

Looks like this may become codex: Dreadknights if those rumours are true. Less then a week now for the release.

I'm really not sure what you mean with that last paragraph btw? Anybody know what seizone BG is? Or am I having a brainfart?

Hmm, isn't there an old saying about judging books and covers?

Yep if they removed psybolt ammunition it will critically weaken the GK army to the point of not worth playing.

The STR increase to Assault cannons/autocannons was the only thing that made the army even near competitive.

They take that away and it wont even be fun to play as you will just get stomped most of the time IMO.

I'm shocked as well.

I thought increasing psybolt ammo cost to 20 points would have balanced it nicely, but remove it entirely?

At the iBooks store, the enhanced version of the new GK codex has the entry for Drago and Purifiers in the preview images section. Can't work out how to make it big enough to read though, lol.

I don't know if anyone has run the numbers yet (and if so, I apologize), but if the leaked point values from the glitch in the Space Wolves army builder are accurate, then the list in the White Dwarf comes to 1579 total points.

This means that either the leaked point values are incorrect or that there are 87 points worth of options not listed in the leaked army builder. Psybolt ammo? Something else?

 insaniak wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:
$20 and I can use them in any imperial army, instead of $50 and I could only use them as an elite choice in an allied Grey knights force? Sounds like a deal to me.

Uh, this is 7th edition. So that's actually '$20 for 4 units that you can use in any army, instead of $50 for a codex full of units that you can use in any army...'

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:
$20 and I can use them in any imperial army, instead of $50 and I could only use them as an elite choice in an allied Grey knights force? Sounds like a deal to me.

I don't think "deal" means what you think it means...

You've missed my point. I have a couple of assassins from back in 3rd ed. where I could use them in any imperial army I wanted without the need to buy models/pay points cost for an entire other army range and codex just to use said assassin. Since this is 7th ed and codexes cost $50, if they'd kept assassins in the GK book I'd have to pay $50 for the GK codex and then buy a small allied force of models, pay the points cost for them in a list all to field a battle forged army that I only wanted to include an assassin in anyhow. So, yes, $20 to be able to field my assassins without the need for a more expensive codex, and without the need of buying a new allied army, is a deal in my book.

And yes, i get that it's not a "deal" if you fielded both GK and Assassins in your army, that sucks for those who did, but having been playing since before assassins were in the GK book, I kinda knew it was only a matter of time before they got removed, especially the way this current edition is compartmentalizing everything. Besides, I'm one of those who always felt that the Inquisition and Assassins didn't belong in the GK codex to begin with. Either way it's a win for giving more people access to units, but it sucks for those who need multiple books just to play their list now.

 Herodius wrote:
I don't know if anyone has run the numbers yet (and if so, I apologize), but if the leaked point values from the glitch in the Space Wolves army builder are accurate, then the list in the White Dwarf comes to 1579 total points.

This means that either the leaked point values are incorrect or that there are 87 points worth of options not listed in the leaked army builder. Psybolt ammo? Something else?

could just be bad math

Quite often the army's used in the WD battle reports are not evenly pointed out. Usually because they are trying to show off all the new models and or using the painted studio army.

 Pox Apostle wrote:
[... and then buy a small allied force of models, pay the points cost for them in a list all to field a battle forged army...

Hence my emphasis on 7th edition. You don't have to have an allied force at all to field an assassin in any other army in this edition.

 insaniak wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:
[... and then buy a small allied force of models, pay the points cost for them in a list all to field a battle forged army...

Hence my emphasis on 7th edition. You don't have to have an allied force at all to field an assassin in any other army in this edition.

How so? Unless I am reading the rules wrong, I thought to have a battle forged army I couldn't just take an elites choice from another codex without taking that army as an ally and being forced to bring the 1 HQ and Troops from that army?

 Pox Apostle wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:
[... and then buy a small allied force of models, pay the points cost for them in a list all to field a battle forged army...

Hence my emphasis on 7th edition. You don't have to have an allied force at all to field an assassin in any other army in this edition.

How so? Unless I am reading the rules wrong, I thought to have a battle forged army I couldn't just take an elites choice from another codex without taking that army as an ally and being forced to bring the 1 HQ and Troops from that army?

You do. Insaniak is emphasising the Unbound rule where you don't need any FOC.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:
[... and then buy a small allied force of models, pay the points cost for them in a list all to field a battle forged army...

Hence my emphasis on 7th edition. You don't have to have an allied force at all to field an assassin in any other army in this edition.

How so? Unless I am reading the rules wrong, I thought to have a battle forged army I couldn't just take an elites choice from another codex without taking that army as an ally and being forced to bring the 1 HQ and Troops from that army?

You do. Insaniak is emphasising the Unbound rule where you don't need any FOC.

Okay, good to know I wasn't missing something in the rules! I know I could always go Unbound, but my point was that it's simply nice to have the option of taking an assassin without going unbound.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
There are two types of armies in 40k.
- The army that get expanded when they receive a new codex
- The army that get shrunk when they receive a new codex.
You just have to take you bet on which category Inquisition and Assassins belong to!

There are two other types types of army:
- Fake armies that exist as shadows or shells of their former selves, or stillborn armies that aren't really armies (Inquisition, Sisters, Legion of the Damned)
- Dead armies that simply don't exist any more (Lost & The Damned)

If your army get shrunk when they receive a codex, it usually is a pretty good hint you are part of that “fake armies” category. Because you still get new codecies, meaning you still exist.

 Pox Apostle wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:
[... and then buy a small allied force of models, pay the points cost for them in a list all to field a battle forged army...

Hence my emphasis on 7th edition. You don't have to have an allied force at all to field an assassin in any other army in this edition.

How so? Unless I am reading the rules wrong, I thought to have a battle forged army I couldn't just take an elites choice from another codex without taking that army as an ally and being forced to bring the 1 HQ and Troops from that army?

You do. Insaniak is emphasising the Unbound rule where you don't need any FOC.

Okay, good to know I wasn't missing something in the rules! I know I could always go Unbound, but my point was that it's simply nice to have the option of taking an assassin without going unbound.

I'm not a fan of all the books being $50 this edition. Up until next week, You get Inquisition, Grey Knights, and Assassins for the low, low, price of $33. I don't have a problem with them being in the same volume because each of these factions is so small to begin with. But starting next week our only options will be $25 for the Inquisition, $50 for the Grey Knights, $20 for Assassins.

As I said $33 was a great deal, but having to shell out $95 the very next update just to field the same models is beyond unfair. And GW actually said that there is no suppliment to the Grey Knights. Everyone else gets supplements that add new units to their armies, and GW turns around and takes ours away to turn them into (wait for it) SUPPLEMENTS.

 Vasarto wrote:
Since its just a codex and no models, We will most likely see another that will be getting something new after this. Next week will be the official launch of the codex and maybe something fun for the codex will be revealed. Then we will start seeing new models for either Dark Eldar or Blood Angels. Most Likely it will be Dark Eldar.

..a possiblity of necrons instead? I am voting dark eldar though.

Necrons and DE def need the power boost and some new models.

Well the Necron dex just disappeared off the GW site, which is usually always the first sign.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Vasarto wrote:
Since its just a codex and no models, We will most likely see another that will be getting something new after this. Next week will be the official launch of the codex and maybe something fun for the codex will be revealed. Then we will start seeing new models for either Dark Eldar or Blood Angels. Most Likely it will be Dark Eldar.

..a possiblity of necrons instead? I am voting dark eldar though.

Necrons and DE def need the power boost and some new models.

Well the Necron dex just disappeared off the GW site, which is usually always the first sign.

However this is not always a guarantee, as they could be reprinting the book or it is a website glitch. This is not the first time something has disappeared from the site only to reappear a few days latter.