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 Auswin wrote:
The relic storm bolter is hilarious, especially given it's the exact same cost as the Space Wolf relic bolter.

GK: 24", Assault 3, S4 AP5, Precise

SW: 24", Rapid fire, S5 AP4, Ignores cover OR S4, AP5, Hellfrost

They are comparable. What is the issue? The GK one lets you assault and fire all three shots regardless of range.


Honestly, the amount of tears spilling forth on this thread is hilarious.

I you are upset about losing the Inquisition forces and assassins, you can just include them as allies. If you are crying about needing to buy other books, the Inquisition book is identical to the old GK rules in almost every way with one or two items being different in points.

Come on, the only way anyone can legitimately take issue with this is if they were pining for some grand shift in fluff and concept from a new book and they are upset that the book isn't completely redoing the army.

So did the Stormraven lose mindstrike missile? Are seer councils and daemon summoning hordes going to breath a sigh of relief?

Goresaw wrote:
So did the Stormraven lose mindstrike missile? Are seer councils and daemon summoning hordes going to breath a sigh of relief?

Storm Raven did, but every Marine and terminator unit can chuck psyk-out grenades at them, which are mindstrike grenades now.

Removed by insaniak. Please see Dakka's Rule #1

My silver lining is that dreadknights have sanctuary now (4++ yay), and are much cheaper. I run a lot of termies anyway and those are cheaper too.
Being able to spit a bunch of force weapons via the previously terrible psilencer at MCs is an interesting thought (looking at you riptide). Draigowing has gate of infinity by default now, but you'll probably need to throw a Libby in there for prescience. If you throw Stern in there you can get a 2++ Draigo.
No more Mordrak...but maybe that detachment will make up for it.
We'll see.

chnmmr wrote:Looks like an errata needs to come out telling me I can't equip my justicars with storm shields and plasma cutters. IE. Numerous entries stating they can take special issue gear >_>

Personal teleporting iron halo paladins with storm shields and plasma cutters.. heh... proofreading.

Unless you are looking at a different picture to me, the Wargear list only drops Digital Weapons, Personal Teleporter, Meltabombs and 1 Master Crafted weapon for SIW.

No more 10 Paladins with all 18 melee and guns MC then?

The loss of all FoC modifications in 7th edition books so far is an example of the disconnect between the designers and the playerbase.

Unbound makes such rules unnecessary. Unless of course you house ruled it out immediately (or preemptively in the case of many people here as 7th's details leaked) Which seems to be an incredibly pervasive mindset.

 Deadshot wrote:

chnmmr wrote:Looks like an errata needs to come out telling me I can't equip my justicars with storm shields and plasma cutters. IE. Numerous entries stating they can take special issue gear >_>

Personal teleporting iron halo paladins with storm shields and plasma cutters.. heh... proofreading.

Unless you are looking at a different picture to me, the Wargear list only drops Digital Weapons, Personal Teleporter, Meltabombs and 1 Master Crafted weapon for SIW.

No more 10 Paladins with all 18 melee and guns MC then?

Don't mind me, I was misreading the wrong special issue gear list. >_>

I wonder if the Nemesis Stave having the rule 'Ward' is a little nod to the recently departed Matt.

 Elmir wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:


Come on, it was no earlier than mid 6th when they got knocked down a peg. Until the first 6e FAQs made Paladins no longer characters, among other things, and until Eldar and Tau GK were still uber good.

Actually, the minute 6th landed GKs took a steep plummet.

- Rapid fire changes drastically reduced the huge advantage they had in the shooting phase with their storm bolters... You couldn't just win every mid-range shoot-out.

- Power/Force weapons changed to only be AP3 also hurt.

- Light vehicles like the previously supremely undercosted psyback went from almost impossible to kill to "easy to glance to bits" due to Hull Points.

The palladin change was the least of their "worries" during 6th. Eldar and Tau just took over when their books hit., but prior to that, necron croissant and IG vendetta spam was all the outrage.

Grey Knights ended up no worse for wear than the majority of armies through most of 6th.
Between their own flyer, instant Divination access, plenty of twin-linking, Henchmen shenanigans, masses of cheap transports, etc... they still stayed fairly solid until the disgusting Taudar bro-fisting nonsense took over.

All I'm honestly seeing here is a boatload of over entitlement, little different to the cries of those Daemon players in Fantasy who effectively whined that their Bloodletter horde + multiple MoS Tzheralds were no longer easy-mode.

 PhillyT wrote:
Honestly, the amount of tears spilling forth on this thread is hilarious.

I you are upset about losing the Inquisition forces and assassins, you can just include them as allies. If you are crying about needing to buy other books, the Inquisition book is identical to the old GK rules in almost every way with one or two items being different in points.

This sort of loaded wording does nothing positive for the discussion. Please dial down the hyperbole.

I can't read the war gear list is storm shields on it?

 Eldarain wrote:
The loss of all FoC modifications in 7th edition books so far is an example of the disconnect between the designers and the playerbase.

Unbound makes such rules unnecessary. Unless of course you house ruled it out immediately (or preemptively in the case of many people here as 7th's details leaked) Which seems to be an incredibly pervasive mindset.

Unbound is too open. The disparity between a fluffy list and a cheese list is far greater in unbound. It seems like I have to play unbound though if I want a list close to some of the lists I have now. Guess I'll have to spend time yammering about how I am not d-bag nor a fluff only player but want to run a halfway decent list that is closer to the 5th edition GK codex. I should read up on influential salesman tactics so I can have a chance of ever running an unbound list in a pick up game around here. Lol.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
I can't read the war gear list is storm shields on it?

Nope

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
I can't read the war gear list is storm shields on it?

No

 Anpu42 wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
I can't read the war gear list is storm shields on it?

Nope

Awwwww well that is a bummer I got hopeful when there was entry giving the stats for a storm shield.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
I can't read the war gear list is storm shields on it?

Nope

Awwwww well that is a bummer I got hopeful when there was entry giving the stats for a storm shield.

Just a reference for Draigo's I guess.

NERF

NERFNERFNERF

NERF(point reduction)

NERFNERF

NERFNERFNERF

(point reduction)

NERFNERFNERFNERFNERF

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REMOVED

NERF

What a bad ass codex. I was disappointed with the Ork codex, but holy crap, they're gods compared to this glorified toilet paper.

Glad to see EVERY GK list that is quasi competitive will be Lv3 Librarian, 1 troop choice, 2 dreadknights and multiple detachments FROM LITERALLY ANY OTHER CODEX.

Psybolt coud have been the one saving grace to this. Could have been.

agree.

This is going to be a monobuild ally dex and little else. Those people who dont play GK but thought about starting a small force hit the jackpot - level 3 libby, Termies, and tooled up teleporting DKs

A lot of bummers however the psilencer is force now does that mean it can cause instant death?

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
A lot of bummers however the psilencer is force now does that mean it can cause instant death?

Yep..

 Desubot wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
A lot of bummers however the psilencer is force now does that mean it can cause instant death?

Yep..

Well that is pretty awesome not sure if it enough to save the codex but still pretty darn good.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
A lot of bummers however the psilencer is force now does that mean it can cause instant death?

Yep..

Well that is pretty awesome not sure if it enough to save the codex but still pretty darn good.

Now the psilencer is much better at wait for it... P-silencing things.

Is crazy one of the five stages if grief? Because I think I just went crazy

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
A lot of bummers however the psilencer is force now does that mean it can cause instant death?

Yep..

Well that is pretty awesome not sure if it enough to save the codex but still pretty darn good.

It has limited use :/ but potentially can do damage.

It burns through FNP and multi wound like it should but has the issue of actually wounding since most things you wana ID are higher T and or have great saves.

Still better than they where before which is a +

It warrants some experimenting, at least for the lower tougness multi wound annoying models.

Don't have seventh edition rule book yet so I was wondering what the rule for adamantium will is?

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
Don't have seventh edition rule book yet so I was wondering what the rule for adamantium will is?

+1 to deny the witch.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
Don't have seventh edition rule book yet so I was wondering what the rule for adamantium will is?

+1 to deny the witch.

Which means a libby with ml3 and a staff is giving you a 3+ deny the witch on anything ml2 or lower, rerolling ones. At worst its a 4+. Which effectively means that grey knights are now immune to maledictions and witchfire powers.

 th3maninblak wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
Don't have seventh edition rule book yet so I was wondering what the rule for adamantium will is?

+1 to deny the witch.

Which means a libby with ml3 and a staff is giving you a 3+ deny the witch on anything ml2 or lower, rerolling ones. At worst its a 4+. Which effectively means that grey knights are now immune to maledictions and witchfire powers.

Immune would be a strong word when some armies can throw a dozen dice to that power, really resistant is better imo.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
Don't have seventh edition rule book yet so I was wondering what the rule for adamantium will is?

+1 to deny the witch.

Well that kills nemesis warding staves they really have no point to take.