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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/01 20:49:24
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Araqiel
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Im looking for either an actual tabletop game or just a company that does miniatures with a near future theme. Not total sci fi but more like say examples:
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/01 20:52:05
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Heroic Senior Officer
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They also sell drones and other fuitury stuff that isnt toooooooo futury Puppets war has some futury stuff. Just have to look a bit harder thats all. No exoskeletons or anything though. The guys above have heaps of head swap options to suit what you may be after.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/01 21:28:16
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Araqiel
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Thanks for the spot, those top ones look good and ive checked out their stock and its really promising.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/01 21:30:47
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Yea they have some cool stuff. I am a fan of their archaic sci fi models but if I where to do near future I would choose them for the drones and remote control guns etc.
Whats the plan for them?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/01 22:17:13
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Some of the Pig Iron stuff may fit your bill, too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/01 22:48:47
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant
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Infinity?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/01 22:51:27
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Heroic Senior Officer
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I would call them crazy wacky anime alternate computer game looking reality thingies...
Waaay off dude
Like, look at the size of their guns or even their incredibly impractical appearance.
I dont know, it seems the OP wants some sensible stuff (assumption here).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 00:04:48
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 00:07:03
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Last guys are way wack, first guys are ok ish. In my opinion ugly as hell and far from anything remotely normal or modern future. Non of that looks practical in colour or size or shape etc.
To be fair I found about 2 models that look ok, but their guns are huge for their size so it kinda ruins it.
Great quality though. But you cant seriously argue thats near future...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 00:37:12
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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Well, it's near in comparison to Star Wars or 40k.
One is "a loong (in the tooth) time ago" and the other is a long time in the future.
Infinity is only 175 years in the future. Which is more or less tomorrow as opposed to "prehistory" or far future fairytale land.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 00:45:15
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Heroic Senior Officer
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The setting is yes, but the models themselves are not. Which is my point. I could make a setting thats 100 years in the future but the continents have all joined as one. This has no basis in reality and the planet earth of that world would not be a believable model from todays earth. Much like infinity models are not believable as near future soldiers of earth. Which is all im saying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 02:43:16
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Regular Dakkanaut
Arsenic City
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AtomicEngineer wrote:I'm looking for either an actual tabletop game or just a company that does miniatures with a near future theme. Not total sci fi but
To be honest, I think it's getting quite hard to find much anything for any setting or ruleset that isn't oriented to Special Operations, Grimdark, anime melange, or a combination of all of those.
I get the impression at times that if thinking about any other part of a military force or operation beyond the current fight is something a player might do, companies are putting those types of folks into a "should be playing historical setting [X]" marketing niche.
I see a lot of stuff getting marketed or put on kickstarter that makes me truly wonder what ever in the world were the designers or sculptors thinking?
But there is always at least a very small handful willing to buy anything, which might be good for a company but isn't always good for a game or everybody else playing it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 03:38:45
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Regular Dakkanaut
Panama
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Gruntz, Deadzone and Infinity
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 05:04:00
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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OP: You forgot scale. Not everyone games in 28mm, and 15mm is very popular with those older than 25.
There's a crap ton of 15mm 'near future' (as in <100 years) SF stuff out there. With names like "new Israelis", "New Anglian Confed", etc also.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:08:56
Subject: Re:Near future warfare minatures
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg
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Sorry, but how are Ariadna and Haqqislam not exactly what the OP is looking for?
Ignoring that ponytail on the female Muyib, they all look like pretty good, near-futurey types to me. I suppose there's also MERCS if you want near future sci-fi stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/02 19:52:49
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Have a look at hasslefree
modern/special forces which work as very near future regulars
http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=miniatures~modern-troopers
SF stuff some of which will work and some will not
http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=miniatures~sci%252dfi-humans
If you don't mind a bit more SF-y have a look at the Sedition Wars box game as you can pick it up (or minis from it) very cheap via discounters/ebay
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/03 04:01:06
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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There's TONS of stuff in 15mm from Khurasan to Rebel Minis to Clear Horizon and Ground Zero Games, if you want to go with a smaller scale
For 28mm I'd look into some of the modern ranges. Eureka Miniatures makes some nice modern US, British, Afghans etc. Just mix in some sci-fi bits on your tanks or do some weapon swaps, mix in some power armor here and there from Infinity/Sedition Wars//Deadzone etc
For rules, you could look into Mongoose's Battlefield Evolution, I believe you can still buy the book. It was originally designed off of Andy Chambers rather excellent Starship Troopers rules (just avoid the models even if you find them, they were some BAD prepaints in a world of bad prepaints). Victory Decision is another one that comes highly regarded and covers quite a few eras from WW2 through Modern, Near Modern and full sci-fi, and 5150 is also supposedly quite good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/03 04:25:27
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Regular Dakkanaut
Panama
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Is Mercs near future?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/03 18:48:13
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg
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Yes it is, though the CCC faction is probably the more "normal" looking one. The others tend to either look like scrappy terrorists (FCC), or they are more sci-fi to varying degrees.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/05 22:23:49
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Brigadier General
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Near Future eh, Here's a few suggetions.
-It's already been mentioned, but Pig Iron figs are really nice.
-Denizen miniatures has a really realistic line of sci-fi with 3 factions. Marines (think Aliens), armored Humans and armored aliens. A bit on the small side at 25-27mm, but really good looking figs and ridiculously cheap.
http://www.denizenminiatures.co.uk
-Hasslefree has quite a number of near future types.
http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=miniatures~modern-troopers
-Heresy Miniatures has some nice troopers as well.
http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_61&zenid=c0054685954d67627c179aba76ae3be1
-EM4's "Troopers" are the Mark Copplestone sculpted Grenadier Future Wars troopers and have a great not-too-far future look. They also have some automated sentry guns in ther para military section.
http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/TROOPERS.html
-Reaper's " NOVA" troopers are very well sculpted and now available in Bones so the cost is right. Their IMEF marines are nice too, but perhaps a bit more 40k/Gears-of-War'ish
https://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/NOVA
-Urban War has several factions of clean looking near future troops. The Viridian and VASA forces are probably the ones to look at first. Some of the other are a bit pulpy.
http://www.urbanwarthegame.com/news.php
-The predecessor to Urban War "Void1.1" is still avaialble from scotia Grendel. The same factions as Urban War, but with a more minimalist style. Their "Kryomek" line has some good options as well.
http://www.scotiagrendel.com
-Khurasan recently released their line of Federal troops. Very nice metal near-future troops that also have a line of vehicles to go with them.
http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/28mmscifi.html
I know there are others that I'm forgetting, but that should keep you busy for a while.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/05 22:58:50
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Regular Dakkanaut
Panama
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I would recommend more popular games, so he can find more players.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/07 17:03:51
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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1st Lieutenant
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Elysians, DKoK, & Steel Legion MODELS all fit the bill pretty well. Their lasguns are pretty easily converted to assault rifles if you prefer. The Elysians especially look like near future airborne. Then you'd just need to find you a good ruleset. Or even the UAMC Marines by defiance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/07 17:32:32
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Brigadier General
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Red_Starrise wrote:Elysians, DKoK, & Steel Legion MODELS all fit the bill pretty well. Their lasguns are pretty easily converted to assault rifles if you prefer. The Elysians especially look like near future airborne. Then you'd just need to find you a good ruleset. Or even the UAMC Marines by defiance.
The Elysians are a good choice, they have a very ultra-modern aestheric about them. However, DKoK and Steel Legion troops are basically ww1 and ww2 troops with lasguns very much not good choices for near future or sci-fi troops. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Good point, especially if you are planning to play at your FLGS, however, the OP does mention both games and companies making minaitures.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/07 17:56:14
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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1st Lieutenant
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Eilif wrote:
The Elysians are a good choice, they have a very ultra-modern aestheric about them. However, DKoK and Steel Legion troops are basically ww1 and ww2 troops with lasguns very much not good choices for near future or sci-fi troops.
Well I guess it depends on theme tbh. If it's a modern -esque near future then sure. If it's a near- future post apocalyptic setting then they work fine. DKoK are very similar to the look sported by Denzell in the Book of Eli if you minus the helmet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/07 20:42:14
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Battlefield Tourist
MN (Currently in WY)
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No mention of Tomorrow's War yet?
GZG (Ground Zero Games) does a ton of stuff that looks okay for near future stuff in 15mm and 25mm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/07 21:06:01
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Stoic Grail Knight
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Swastakowey wrote:Last guys are way wack, first guys are ok ish. In my opinion ugly as hell and far from anything remotely normal or modern future. Non of that looks practical in colour or size or shape etc.
To be fair I found about 2 models that look ok, but their guns are huge for their size so it kinda ruins it.
Great quality though. But you cant seriously argue thats near future...
 You are beyond help.
I'm not serious, but there is basically no intersection between what you apparently think of near future and looks good, and what I think of as near future and looks good. Best of luck finding whatever it is you are looking for!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/07 21:09:36
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Gallahad wrote: Swastakowey wrote:Last guys are way wack, first guys are ok ish. In my opinion ugly as hell and far from anything remotely normal or modern future. Non of that looks practical in colour or size or shape etc. To be fair I found about 2 models that look ok, but their guns are huge for their size so it kinda ruins it. Great quality though. But you cant seriously argue thats near future...  You are beyond help. I'm not serious, but there is basically no intersection between what you apparently think of near future and looks good, and what I think of as near future and looks good. Best of luck finding whatever it is you are looking for! Just looking at how uniforms are going and what the come from really doesnt put infinity minis as realistic near future to me. Simply as I stated above. Proportions are nuts, so much impracticality, too many uniforms etc etc. I mean, some have plate armour and daggers in a unit of Snipers. Their magazines are chunky as hell and so on. Far from practical. I have never seen guns that are so wide before. Its all out of whack from reality. If the OP is after that, fine, but the images of the infantry he was thinking of, do not match those anime style models. As I said, quality is good. But far from anything normal and realistic. I thought the OP meant something believable as future soldiers, not something that simply looks good and is set in the future. Up to the OP though. But if you think those are a thoughtful representation of future soldiers then I  you back It depends what the OP is after though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/07 21:17:48
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Stubborn Temple Guard
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Check online for some old VOR: The Maelstrom Union and Neo-Soviet troops. They might fit what you are looking for.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/07 21:38:56
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Brigadier General
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One other thing to consider is actual current modern troops. The modern soldier is quite kitted out, though they don't always have the cool facemasks and goggles of sci-fi artwork.
Companies like The Assault Group ( TAG) make a modern troopers in a wide variety of equipment. Some of the troops in NBC gear look very menacing.
http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/store/home.php?cat=40
There are a number of groups selling kitted out SWAT troops that have a very near future look. Body armor, Gas masks, SMG's, etc...
Offensive Miniatures
http://www.offensiveminiatures.com/catalogue.asp?RID=3&CID=3#
Tactical Miniatures (by armorcast)
http://www.armorcast.com/miniatures/tactical-miniatures-mobocracy
and many others.
Mattlov wrote:Check online for some old VOR: The Maelstrom Union and Neo-Soviet troops. They might fit what you are looking for.
That's a good suggestion. THe Union are probably the best bet The Neo-Soviets tend to be either a bit post- apoc'ish or mutated (but still cool). They are still being sold by Iron Wind Metals.
http://ironwindmetals.com/store/index.php?cPath=94_101
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/07 23:54:05
Subject: Near future warfare minatures
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Swastakowey wrote:Just looking at how uniforms are going and what the come from really doesnt put infinity minis as realistic near future to me. Simply as I stated above. Proportions are nuts, so much impracticality, too many uniforms etc etc. I mean, some have plate armour and daggers in a unit of Snipers. Their magazines are chunky as hell and so on. Far from practical. I have never seen guns that are so wide before. Its all out of whack from reality. If the OP is after that, fine, but the images of the infantry he was thinking of, do not match those anime style models.
As I said, quality is good. But far from anything normal and realistic. I thought the OP meant something believable as future soldiers, not something that simply looks good and is set in the future.
I have to disagree. There are some factions in Infinity that definitely have an anime feel ( TAG and aliens). However a large portion of them do not, the large majority of them are right on the money. It also depends on what type of modern future you are talking about as it can go multiple directions.
I'm not entirely sure how too many uniforms and some plate armor pieces unvalidates it being a future soldier. Have you looked at current modern combat suits and armor in development currently? That is pretty much the direction military hardware and weapons is moving towards. I'm also not sure why you would question a sniper having a dagger. That is more personal preference but I do have a couple friends who are snipers. They are just as equally deadly in close combat. Often getting into an optimum position can require something as useful as a combat knife. There is absolutely no reason why a magazine wouldn't become bigger in size as well depending on the situation. Magazines could easily carry two weapon loadouts or slip into against another magazine, allowing the switching of ammo from say high explosive (against armor and robots since he showed a robot as an example) vs regular rounds. It makes more sense than having two separate clips, where a combatant would have to change ammo clips to change loadouts. Modular weapons would require the weapon to bulk up a bit more. Depending on your environment and modern future there are various reasons why that would make more sense. Makes it easier to swap out larger components. Sure someone could dismantle a rifle to its base components in 45 seconds, reassemble in replacing a broken component. But a modular system means they could easily cannibalize an opponents rifle and swap out parts. It also means skillwise, not everyone has to be the same skill to swap out a component of a weapon. Add in that the number of weapon manufacturers is shrinking, more weapons will start to become interchangeable as they are already are to a degree currently. Future warfare is changing and what is current warfare is adapting as weapons take on multiple roles. If you compare current sub machine guns vs older versions, they are larger as stocks become bulkier because they allow storage of other materials in them and become more lightweight. It means more things can be put on one weapon instead of having multiple weapons. Just because its future doesn't mean things get smaller. It also doesn't mean that it won't change as you or I may think they will too. Technology tends to get smaller to a degree and then it bulks back up as we apply new applications to the device.
Edit: Just noticed my post comes off really snarky. I'm not meaning too so I apologize. It just doesn't translate well forum/textwise vs actually talking in person.
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