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Initially my favorite traitor legion was the Thousand Sons because Tzeentch is my favorite Chaos God and then i liked Iron Warriors because of their color and the novel Storm of Iron. But i have always loved the Word Bearers. I like that they worship Chaos Undivided and how fanatical they are.

But the jist i get from most warhammer40 fans is that they are not liked, hardly at all. I know I'm free to enjoy whichever legion i like but just wanted to ask the community here. Do you like their fluff, combat doctrine, etc.

I personally love their color design too

I like the Gal Vorbak, and Argel Tal. The first true chaos space marine, first possessed marine even. Was actually a decent bloke. Other than him and Lorgar they're a bunch of zealous prats who stop in the middle of brutal combat to pray and crucify some loyalists on the back of their Rhinos.

The main reason they are disliked, IMO, is because of Erebus being a distasteful little rat. He's universally hated by all he comes across in the novels. The other is Kor Phaeron, Lorgar's adoptive father. He was given genetic enhancements to make him an almost-Astartes and because First Captain. Between them they showed how weak willed Lorgar is. Also, the Legion started the Heresy, all because the Big E slapped Lorgar's wrist.


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 sierra 1247 wrote:
I like the Gal Vorbak, and Argel Tal. The first true chaos space marine, first possessed marine even. Was actually a decent bloke. Other than him and Lorgar they're a bunch of zealous prats who stop in the middle of brutal combat to pray and crucify some loyalists on the back of their Rhinos.

All dis. Argel Tal is one of my favourite characters.

He is brilliant though, I mean he is one of the few who realise that neither side is right in the Heresy. And though it pains me to admit it my favourite scene in the Heresy so far features Erebus. When Kharn hands his ass to him many many times over in the pits. Hahaha

They're not among the least popular! I made a thread and they're the third most popular!

I prefer the Alpha Legion personally, then maybe Night Lords, but it doesn't mean they don't hold any appeal

It's like we are the same person. I started with thousand sons then moved to iron warriors and have just started my word bearers army becauae they are undivided with cool paint jobs. I see them as being like any other marine but stalwart in their faith. A bit like chaos templars. Althogh I have always veiwed csm as sm with a different religion not half crazed psycopath murderers.

Apoligies for any typos typing on phones is annoying.

not really for me, i can't get enthusiastic about chaos godbotherers. like chaz up there, alpha legion and night lords are where the fun is.

 ChazSexington wrote:
They're not among the least popular! I made a thread and they're the third most popular!

I prefer the Alpha Legion personally, then maybe Night Lords, but it doesn't mean they don't hold any appeal

I find it really, really hard to believe that the Thousand Sons are the most played. When I try to buy many of their models in GW stores they say they don't carry them cause no one buys them so I have to go online.

Also 95% of all CSM lists on this Dakka are Nurgle lists.

I really want to express how unlikely it is that most CSM players use Thousand Sons. I think its a reflection of how they're the most liked and people want to play them so they say they do.

As for the Word Bearers, I really dislike them for their zeal. I am disgusted by the idea of them

Changerofways, why the hate? I much prefer fervent loyalty and devotion over paranoia and nerd rage

Aside from the Iron Warriors, I like the word bearers. I think according to one of the calth novels, they may have invented the (pre-abbadon) defiler. Also aside from Kor and Erebus' antics, the world bearers don't try and kill each other over small things. They also don't seem to have a problem with daemon possession decimating their ranks (early Black Legion) or incurring the wrath of the dark gods when building daemon engines (Iron Warriors).

The guy who gave me my original models played Word Bearers.
But me?
I HATE them.
Seriously, Lorgar has been praying for what, ten thousand years now.
And Erebus is just a royal pain in the heiney,

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Aside from the Iron Warriors, I like the word bearers. I think according to one of the calth novels, they may have invented the (pre-abbadon) defiler. Also aside from Kor and Erebus' antics, the world bearers don't try and kill each other over small things. They also don't seem to have a problem with daemon possession decimating their ranks (early Black Legion) or incurring the wrath of the dark gods when building daemon engines (Iron Warriors).

I could have sworn that the Iron Warriors/Perturabo constructed the Defiler under the design and command of Abby...

Or maybe that's what you were saying, sorry the wording was throwing me off, wasn't sure which legion you were referring

 changerofways wrote:
As for the Word Bearers, I really dislike them for their zeal. I am disgusted by the idea of them

That's the best thing about them though. Chaos Space Marines need to know that they're inferior to daemons and that's what Word Bearers do. Your Iron Warriors think they're above the gods? Wait until they get the invoice saying "Hey, in case you didn't realize, you belong to us now."

Glorifying the gods is what helps the Chaos Space Marines actually be Chaos Space Marines. Without that, CSM as a whole are a terrible representation of Chaos.

The Iron Warriors may not think their above the gods but they sure like disrespecting their daemons. I think in one of the books their using one of khornes favorite blood thirsters as a battery for an anti-psyker shield.

What's not to like about Chaos Jehovah's Witnesses?

They're pretty dope- the Horus Heresy series did them great justice.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
What's not to like about Chaos Jehovah's Witnesses?

They're pretty dope- the Horus Heresy series did them great justice.

Indeed.

The whole series about Calth and the 500 Worlds is great, and I especially enjoyed the short stories about the Word Bearers in Mark of Calth.

I've read that word bearers worship Chaos yet have no problem summoning and using weak daemons as meat shields because they view themselves greater the grand scale of chaos. A little contradictory but understandable. No way i would take orders from a plaguebearer.

I hate Erebus with a passion, and Argal Tal I think is my favourite character. I used to hate them but since First Heretic, I like them, and they were pretty awesome in Know No Fear. I think they're a 'love to hate' type group.

They definitely need killing...

The emperor overreacted, so i understand lorgar, except instead of being a strong leader, he let erebus and kor Phaeron run amok with his army,
i hope ;

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
The emperor overreacted, so i understand lorgar, except instead of being a strong leader, he let erebus and kor Phaeron run amok with his army,
i hope ;

Spoiler:

that Argel tal will return in some form, that the anathema has a different effect on a possessed marine

I hope not. I love Argel Tal, but there's already too much of that nonsense in the HH books.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
The emperor overreacted, so i understand lorgar, except instead of being a strong leader, he let erebus and kor Phaeron run amok with his army,
i hope ;

Spoiler:

that Argel tal will return in some form, that the anathema has a different effect on a possessed marine

Meh if I was lorgar I would do the same kill the emperor father or not someone who makes your crawl in the dirt needs to die.

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
The emperor overreacted, so i understand lorgar, except instead of being a strong leader, he let erebus and kor Phaeron run amok with his army,
i hope ;

Spoiler:

that Argel tal will return in some form, that the anathema has a different effect on a possessed marine

Meh if I was lorgar I would do the same kill the emperor father or not someone who makes your crawl in the dirt needs to die.

Slight overreaction...

OgreChubbs wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
The emperor overreacted, so i understand lorgar, except instead of being a strong leader, he let erebus and kor Phaeron run amok with his army,
i hope ;

Spoiler:

that Argel tal will return in some form, that the anathema has a different effect on a possessed marine

Meh if I was lorgar I would do the same kill the emperor father or not someone who makes your crawl in the dirt needs to die.

Haha, good one. Horus couldn't kill the Emperor even juiced up on Chaos power.

 Wilytank wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
As for the Word Bearers, I really dislike them for their zeal. I am disgusted by the idea of them

That's the best thing about them though. Chaos Space Marines need to know that they're inferior to daemons and that's what Word Bearers do. Your Iron Warriors think they're above the gods? Wait until they get the invoice saying "Hey, in case you didn't realize, you belong to us now."

Glorifying the gods is what helps the Chaos Space Marines actually be Chaos Space Marines. Without that, CSM as a whole are a terrible representation of Chaos.

I quote the CSM from DoWII:

We are the masters here, Daemon!

It's worth remembering, the chaos space marines worship chaos, not the deamons of chaos. a subtle thing yes but proably worth remembering

BrianDavion wrote:
It's worth remembering, the chaos space marines worship chaos, not the deamons of chaos. a subtle thing yes but proably worth remembering

TGood point to make. Its like worshiping God (Christian) vs worshipping Priests. One is the God, the other is a servant of the God.

 Deadshot wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
It's worth remembering, the chaos space marines worship chaos, not the deamons of chaos. a subtle thing yes but proably worth remembering

TGood point to make. Its like worshiping God (Christian) vs worshipping Priests. One is the God, the other is a servant of the God.

sure, not sure I'd wanna use that analogy as deamons are essentially "avatars of the essence of the god" but it works. one could certinly question why they aren't more respectful to deamons if that is the case but hipocracy in religon is hardly unique to 40k chaos worshippers

 Chaos Rising wrote:
It's like we are the same person. I started with thousand sons then moved to iron warriors and have just started my word bearers army becauae they are undivided with cool paint jobs. I see them as being like any other marine but stalwart in their faith. A bit like chaos templars. Althogh I have always veiwed csm as sm with a different religion not half crazed psycopath murderers.

Apoligies for any typos typing on phones is annoying.

MUCH cooler than Chaos Templars(Chaos Black Templars)

Word Bearers go around speaking the truth. Cold hard facts. Keepers of the pure knowledge


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 Deadshot wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
It's worth remembering, the chaos space marines worship chaos, not the deamons of chaos. a subtle thing yes but proably worth remembering

TGood point to make. Its like worshiping God (Christian) vs worshipping Priests. One is the God, the other is a servant of the God.

even then, some CSM worship chaos as the relvalation that there are gods. Worshiping Chaos Undivided you are not worshiping a Chaos god, you are worshiping or rather submitting to the fact that there are gods.


Or perhaps just my warband takes on a muslim submission aspect. God does not need worship, but rather acknowledgement.

Sure, I like them. They're probably my favourite CSMs, now that I think about it.

What I like about them is how they're the most generally Chaos-y of the CSMs, since they're so devoted to the powers of Chaos in general. I think that if you want to see Chaos in general in its purest form, these guys are the ones to look at. And, of course, I also like how they're like a dark reflection of my own favourite army. Natural rivals, and all that.

I also enjoy how there's a certain amount of irony to be had in looking at their origins. Had they stayed loyal, they would have fit right into the present-day Imperium. They were, in a sense, the right men in the wrong time.