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I'll say again that I don't think suing for compo is the appropriate response from the parent, either. FWIW.

Gotta pay for the babysitter...

Mamma see benjamins.

Scenerio:

Bad guy has a knife
You have a tazer
You are the one with authority
Bad guy refuses to drop knife when asked

Do you taze them?

Who cares how old the kid is, they can just as easily cut someones wrist when trying to subdue them.

The kids parents should have been able to say. Drop the knife and the kid should have obeyed.

People need to beat their kids more so they listen.

RJCarrot wrote:

People need to beat their kids more so they listen.

It's been proven for oh-so-many times that beating your children is counter-productive to permanently suppressing undesired behavior.

NEVER hit your kids.

RJCarrot wrote:
Scenerio:

Bad guy has a knife
You have a tazer
You are the one with authority
Bad guy refuses to drop knife when asked

Do you taze them?

Who cares how old the kid is, they can just as easily cut someones wrist when trying to subdue them.

The kids parents should have been able to say. Drop the knife and the kid should have obeyed.

People need to beat their kids more so they listen.

I hope you're not serious about the last sentence.

Uh, reasonable people care how old the kid is, because tazing can have unpredictable, sometimes fatal effects on tiny people?

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

By beat your kids I don't mean like crush their skulls, but people that don't believe one good spanking as a reference point to the future does not have an effect, I beg to differ.

I feel for the fact the kid was 8. But if the parents didn't raise their kids to know a few things to avoid that situation then it is on them.

1. Knives are dangerous, you don't play with them.
2. You listen to your parents/adults when spoken to.
3. Police are authority figures to be treated as such.

Any one of those 3 lessons stop the behavior.

Now the kid knows lesson 4.

4. If you wield a knife around police and don't drop it when they tell you to, you get tazed.

Bet the kid remembers that lesson.

TLDR... shame on the parents.

RJCarrot wrote:
By beat your kids I don't mean like crush their skulls, but people that don't believe one good spanking as a reference point to the future does not have an effect, I beg to differ.

I feel for the fact the kid was 8. But if the parents didn't raise their kids to know a few things to avoid that situation then it is on them.

1. Knives are dangerous, you don't play with them.
2. You listen to your parents/adults when spoken to.
3. Police are authority figures to be treated as such.

Any one of those 3 lessons stop the behavior.

Now the kid knows lesson 4.

4. If you wield a knife around police and don't drop it when they tell you to, you get tazed.

Bet the kid remembers that lesson.

TLDR... shame on the parents.

Wasn't the child mentally ill? If so, I think the parents should have taken her to a psychiatrist.

*edit- I agree with your first statement. Parents should never really beat their children, but I think spankings and other lighter punishments have their place.

RJCarrot wrote:
By beat your kids I don't mean like crush their skulls, but people that don't believe one good spanking as a reference point to the future does not have an effect, I beg to differ.

Well, I mean, there's this effect. I guess you gotta make sure they don't get the better of you though down the line, huh? At least you're not eating them, I suppose.

 Random Dude wrote:

RJCarrot wrote:
By beat your kids I don't mean like crush their skulls, but people that don't believe one good spanking as a reference point to the future does not have an effect, I beg to differ.

I feel for the fact the kid was 8. But if the parents didn't raise their kids to know a few things to avoid that situation then it is on them.

1. Knives are dangerous, you don't play with them.
2. You listen to your parents/adults when spoken to.
3. Police are authority figures to be treated as such.

Any one of those 3 lessons stop the behavior.

Now the kid knows lesson 4.

4. If you wield a knife around police and don't drop it when they tell you to, you get tazed.

Bet the kid remembers that lesson.

TLDR... shame on the parents.

Wasn't the child mentally ill? If so, I think the parents should have taken her to a psychiatrist.

If you have a mentally ill child that may be prone to acting out or having destructive behavior, don't you think it wise to keep the knives out of reach?

You don't have kids, do you?

Children aren't machines that will behave like X if you do Y. Children react unpredictabely. If our daughter has a bad day, oh boy, it's going to be a BAD day. Children just can't control themselves as much as we (hopefully) can.

RJCarrot wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:

RJCarrot wrote:
By beat your kids I don't mean like crush their skulls, but people that don't believe one good spanking as a reference point to the future does not have an effect, I beg to differ.

I feel for the fact the kid was 8. But if the parents didn't raise their kids to know a few things to avoid that situation then it is on them.

1. Knives are dangerous, you don't play with them.
2. You listen to your parents/adults when spoken to.
3. Police are authority figures to be treated as such.

Any one of those 3 lessons stop the behavior.

Now the kid knows lesson 4.

4. If you wield a knife around police and don't drop it when they tell you to, you get tazed.

Bet the kid remembers that lesson.

TLDR... shame on the parents.

Wasn't the child mentally ill? If so, I think the parents should have taken her to a psychiatrist.

If you have a mentally ill child that may be prone to acting out or having destructive behavior, don't you think it wise to keep the knives out of reach?

I think you're underestimating the ingenuity of children. I mean seriously, dogs can jump on chairs to get something placed "out of reach". Could a child not do the same?

 daedalus wrote:

RJCarrot wrote:
By beat your kids I don't mean like crush their skulls, but people that don't believe one good spanking as a reference point to the future does not have an effect, I beg to differ.

Well, I mean, there's this effect. I guess you gotta make sure they don't get the better of you though down the line, huh? At least you're not eating them, I suppose.

There is a difference between spanked once or twice and referencing it from there on out vs repeated beating.

I know quite a few people who have higher than normal IQ that have been spanked at least once in their lives.

Many of the times my children are misbehaving all I have to say is "do you want a spanking?" and it stops, just referencing it is enough.

 Random Dude wrote:

I think you're underestimating the ingenuity of children. I mean seriously, dogs can jump on chairs to get something placed "out of reach". Could a child not do the same?

Not one properly cowled into fear of action by a good honest American assbeating with the Belt of Freedom, I suspect.

On my child's worst day if I were to ask her.

What do you do if you have a knife and a police officer asks you to drop it?

Her answer would be, "Why would I have a knife?"

RJCarrot wrote:


Many of the times my children are misbehaving all I have to say is "do you want a spanking?" and it stops, just referencing it is enough.

Awesome, you're teaching your children that in order to cooperate, you have to threaten others with physical violence.

Just so we're clear: Subduing a kid with high voltage weaponry designed for much bigger subjects: AOK
Spanking your kid: You monster.

 Sigvatr wrote:

RJCarrot wrote:


Many of the times my children are misbehaving all I have to say is "do you want a spanking?" and it stops, just referencing it is enough.

Awesome, you're teaching your children that in order to cooperate, you have to threaten others with physical violence.

I'm split on this issue. Threatening a spanking is effective, but it could teach violence. Now, I can't say which side I support.

 Da Boss wrote:
Just so we're clear: Subduing a kid with high voltage weaponry designed for much bigger subjects: AOK
Spanking your kid: You monster.

Hey, I've been on your side.

Also, the lesson I'm learning from your observation is that Dakka seems to think that actions which cause physical pain to compel a subject to obey a particular command are acceptable coming from a state appointed figure, and terrible otherwise.

Again, the Dakka Pro-Authoritarian Club theory resurfaces.

 Sigvatr wrote:

RJCarrot wrote:


Many of the times my children are misbehaving all I have to say is "do you want a spanking?" and it stops, just referencing it is enough.

Awesome, you're teaching your children that in order to cooperate, you have to threaten others with physical violence.

If it gets my kid to drop the knife. I am OK with that. They have also been taught not to threaten other people.

This is where you say OMG YOU ARE SAYING ONE THING AND DOING ANOTHER.

Its working. I say whatever gets the job done.

 Da Boss wrote:
Just so we're clear: Subduing a kid with high voltage weaponry designed for much bigger subjects: AOK
Spanking your kid: You monster.

Context, pff, who needs that.

I'm having fun with this thread now, sorry dude.

I had a chat with my Dad about it too. I think he's pretty happy to be Batdad.

 Sigvatr wrote:

RJCarrot wrote:

People need to beat their kids more so they listen.

It's been proven for oh-so-many times that beating your children is counter-productive to permanently suppressing undesired behavior.

NEVER hit your kids.

You're right. Thats what the tazer's for.

Imagine what would happen if someone took parenting advice from Dakka seriously. Think about it.

 Da Boss wrote:
Just so we're clear: Subduing a kid with high voltage weaponry designed for much bigger subjects: AOK
Spanking your kid: You monster.

What if you spank them WITH the taser?

Obviously taser-spanking is the only solution.

I find it SHOCKING that someone would use a tazer on an 8 year old....

See what I did there?

 Da Boss wrote:
Obviously taser-spanking is the only solution.

That's ingenious! I wish my parents had tried it.