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The terminator armour entry specifically states that a model in terminator armour may never preform a sweeping advance. Does this still apply for a model in a chariot?

Do you mean a model in termie armor in a chariot? If so, I would say yes.

Yes, specifically Logan Grimnar

Well under Chariots: Fighting from a Chariot:
It says they fight like infantry Models and can perform Sweeping Advances.

I would have to ask, if Logan is on this Chariot, is he an Infantry Model in Terminator Armor or a Chariot.
[I would answer this myself, but my book does not get here until Thursday]

He would be Chariot(Character) when on the Chariot and Infantry(Character) on foot.

Isn't this a moot point, as the Codex has a write up on what changes having a chariot does for good old Logan?
If I only was at the Library to confirm....

 Anpu42 wrote:
Well under Chariots: Fighting from a Chariot:
It says they fight like infantry Models and can perform Sweeping Advances.

I would have to ask, if Logan is on this Chariot, is he an Infantry Model in Terminator Armor or a Chariot.
[I would answer this myself, but my book does not get here until Thursday]

Well, there is no unit type "Infantry(terminator armour)" as the armour is simply wargear. The armour itself is what prevents the sweeping advance, not the unit type. So unless the chariot entry specifically states Logan can perform a sweeping advance, his permission to do so has already been revoked by his wargear.

I did manage to take a quick review and noticed it does not mention Sweeping Advances.
Because it does not mention Sweeping Advances at all, it does not change the Default state or over-turn any additional Restriction that may be in play. This means we fall back on the fundamental concept that Restrictions trump Permissions, and of any Restriction against an action means that the action may not be undertaken. In this situation Logan may not proceed with a Sweeping Advance, it matters not that Models on Chariots can Sweep or the fact that Sweeping Advances are permitted by default, because there still is a Restriction making the action illegal which has yet to be over-turned.

Trying to Sweep in this situation would be identical to Assaulting out of an Open Topped Vehicle that just arrived from Reserves.

while it is somehwat confusing,

RAW is clear,

logan cannot sweeping advance due to his termi armour

I figured as much, was hoping he could, but Logan having a sweeping advance would have been fun.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Well under Chariots: Fighting from a Chariot:
It says they fight like infantry Models and can perform Sweeping Advances.

I would have to ask, if Logan is on this Chariot, is he an Infantry Model in Terminator Armor or a Chariot.
[I would answer this myself, but my book does not get here until Thursday]

Well, there is no unit type "Infantry(terminator armour)" as the armour is simply wargear. The armour itself is what prevents the sweeping advance, not the unit type. So unless the chariot entry specifically states Logan can perform a sweeping advance, his permission to do so has already been revoked by his wargear.

That's the most ridiculous way of reading a rule I have seen in a long time.
The wargear prevents him from doing it when on foot. When on his Chariot, he uses the rules for a Chariot.

This isn't rocket science.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Well under Chariots: Fighting from a Chariot:
It says they fight like infantry Models and can perform Sweeping Advances.

I would have to ask, if Logan is on this Chariot, is he an Infantry Model in Terminator Armor or a Chariot.
[I would answer this myself, but my book does not get here until Thursday]

Well, there is no unit type "Infantry(terminator armour)" as the armour is simply wargear. The armour itself is what prevents the sweeping advance, not the unit type. So unless the chariot entry specifically states Logan can perform a sweeping advance, his permission to do so has already been revoked by his wargear.

That's the most ridiculous way of reading a rule I have seen in a long time.
The wargear prevents him from doing it when on foot. When on his Chariot, he uses the rules for a Chariot.

This isn't rocket science.

I don't see anywhere in the terminator armor rule that says it only applies while on foot.

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
Well under Chariots: Fighting from a Chariot:
It says they fight like infantry Models and can perform Sweeping Advances.

I would have to ask, if Logan is on this Chariot, is he an Infantry Model in Terminator Armor or a Chariot.
[I would answer this myself, but my book does not get here until Thursday]

Well, there is no unit type "Infantry(terminator armour)" as the armour is simply wargear. The armour itself is what prevents the sweeping advance, not the unit type. So unless the chariot entry specifically states Logan can perform a sweeping advance, his permission to do so has already been revoked by his wargear.

That's the most ridiculous way of reading a rule I have seen in a long time.
The wargear prevents him from doing it when on foot. When on his Chariot, he uses the rules for a Chariot.

This isn't rocket science.

I don't see anywhere in the terminator armor rule that says it only applies while on foot.

Where in the Chariots rule does it say "You cannot Sweeping Advance while wearing Terminator Armor"?

Chariots can perform Sweeping Advances. Unless it specifically states in Logan Grimnar's rules that Stormrider cannot Sweeping Advance due to his Terminator Armor, then the model can Sweeping Advance.

Honestly this is as stupid as people saying Terminator Armour does not get an Invulnerable Save when hit by weapons that ignore armor unless they have some secondary source of Invulnerable.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Where in the Chariots rule does it say "You cannot Sweeping Advance while wearing Terminator Armor"?

The same place as the Infantry rules say that...


Or, to put it another way, they don't need to. The general rules allow a sweeping advance. A specific rule of the model forbids it. In order to break no rule, you can't make a sweeping advance.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Where in the Chariots rule does it say "You cannot Sweeping Advance while wearing Terminator Armor"?

The same place as the Infantry rules say that...


Or, to put it another way, they don't need to. The general rules allow a sweeping advance. A specific rule of the model forbids it. In order to break no rule, you can't make a sweeping advance.

As much as I hate to Agree, Terminator Armor would prevent Sweeping Advance, in the same manner as Relentless does not allow Slow and Purposeful to Fire Overwatch or Counter Attack. I saw nothing under chariot that Grants Sweeping Advances to units that can't

It's a rule of Logan, not Stormrider.

The Rule is on the Model as a whole....

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's a rule of Logan, not Stormrider.

The chariot and the rider are considered a single model for all rules purposes.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's a rule of Logan, not Stormrider.

A chariot and a rider are a single model. So Logan's rules affect the whole model, both rider and chariot.

So if logan can't sweep, the chariot can't sweep either.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's a rule of Logan, not Stormrider.

The chariot and the rider are considered a single model for all rules purposes.

True they have all the same rules.
>Chariot Gants Sweeping Advance
>Terminator Armor Denies Sweeping Advance even of other models have it in the same unit.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's a rule of Logan, not Stormrider.

Its a rule of the model, as the chariot rules explicitly state the rider and chariot are one model.

I've always taken sweeping advance in a fluff sense to be shooting them in the back as they flee

 throwoff wrote:
I've always taken sweeping advance in a fluff sense to be shooting them in the back as they flee

Sorry, I'm not seeing what that has to do with the discussion at hand.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's a rule of Logan, not Stormrider.

The chariot and the rider are considered a single model for all rules purposes.

Right, but if you read the rules on p86:

A Chariot is an unusual unit with a dual profile--a non-vehicle profile for the rider of the Chariot(see below), and a vehicle profile for the Chariot itself. However, a Chariot is always treated as a single model. For the purposes of characteristic tests, always use the rider's profile. Furthermore any characteristics modifiers that affect a Chariot model apply to both rider and Chariot.

Nowhere in that does it say that "the effects of wargear on the rider extend to the Chariot".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's a rule of Logan, not Stormrider.

The chariot and the rider are considered a single model for all rules purposes.

Right, but if you read the rules on p86:

A Chariot is an unusual unit with a dual profile--a non-vehicle profile for the rider of the Chariot(see below), and a vehicle profile for the Chariot itself. However, a Chariot is always treated as a single model. For the purposes of characteristic tests, always use the rider's profile. Furthermore any characteristics modifiers that affect a Chariot model apply to both rider and Chariot.

Nowhere in that does it say that "the effects of wargear on the rider extend to the Chariot".

Read the entry for Terminator Armor. It says models in terminator armor can't sweep. Since a chariot and rider a are a single model and termi armor affects models then the only interaction is that termi armor affect both part of the model.

That's the most ridiculous reading ever.

Keep believing it. It's wrong, but you can keep believing it.

So its one model, terminator armour restricts the model, yet thats wrong?

Please support your assertion with some rules.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's the most ridiculous reading ever.

Keep believing it. It's wrong, but you can keep believing it.

Be in denial all you want, I supported my stance with the rules.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's the most ridiculous reading ever.

Keep believing it. It's wrong, but you can keep believing it.

If it's wrong, surely you can cite some rules to support that statement?
Or some other reason besides "it's wrong"?

Leaving it at "It's wrong" is kind of rude.

Terminator Armor is wargear. The effects of wargear only apply to the model wearing/utilizing said wargear unless otherwise specified.

So, again, unless specifically stated in Grimnar's profile that "Stormrider cannot Sweeping Advance because of Grimnar being in Terminator Armor"--he can advance while riding the Chariot.