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 finnan wrote:
yeah, I thought about that yesterday too, and FW do do some bigger kits, but is there all that much difference between all the Space Marine stuff they're churning out and the 'standard' marines, beyond the difference in material? I guess the FW marines are more fiddly if there are more components...

Most of the kits GW put out that are difficult to assemble are due to silly things rather than any actual genuine high level craftsmanship from GW themselves. Things like heavy weighted metal components that have tiny joints, resin models with bits too thin so they just snap if you look at them the wrong way, models that are badly warped so they don't fit together properly. Nothing GW actually want to advertise.

Compare that to model cars/planes/tanks where manufacturers often put skill level recommendations on them. In that case it's because the kits are genuinely finer detailed kits that are harder to assemble. GW simply don't do that. I remember buying some ship models as a kid that were over my head, there was so much fiddly pieces you were likely to break in the process of removing them from the sprue, cleaning and trimming them and then actually gluing them to the model.

FW stuff is more "master level" because the resin has more work involved in prep for painting, are often warped and are often miscast. Again, not really something you want to advertise

The FW stuff is probably a higher skill level simply because it's more detailed and less cartoonish, so it takes a bit more skill to do the models justice in the painting stage.

So is the old Nagash model still legal? With the size difference, if the old model is still legal that would be a real boon for anyone looking to play "competitively".

To sort this out and to stop that being the case GW is going to have to FAQ the old model out of existence.

GW don't give a gak about tournaments.

 ceorron wrote:
So is the old Nagash model still legal? With the size difference, if the old model is still legal that would be a real boon for anyone looking to play "competitively".

To sort this out and to stop that being the case GW is going to have to FAQ the old model out of existence.

GW doesn't have to do anything. I'd be shocked if they even mention the old mini.

Well this model is specifically called "Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead",

so since the original was only called "Nagash", TOs etc are perfectly justified not allowing it to be use instead of the new one as it's technically a different figure

 ceorron wrote:
So is the old Nagash model still legal? With the size difference, if the old model is still legal that would be a real boon for anyone looking to play "competitively".

To sort this out and to stop that being the case GW is going to have to FAQ the old model out of existence.

TO's have already had to deal with this. Some will allow it, some will ban it. Similar thing happened with the release of the latest WoC. People started showing up with the old 1980's chimeras on chariot bases.


That is a 25 x 50mm cavalry base the thing is on. Compare that to the current Chimera model.

GW didn't make any comment on that case, it likely won't make any comment on this one.

 silent25 wrote:


TO's have already had to deal with this. Some will allow it, some will ban it. Similar thing happened with the release of the latest WoC. People started showing up with the old 1980's chimeras on chariot bases.

....people seriously showed up with the incredibly outdated model and wanted to field it? Come on.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 silent25 wrote:


TO's have already had to deal with this. Some will allow it, some will ban it. Similar thing happened with the release of the latest WoC. People started showing up with the old 1980's chimeras on chariot bases.

....people seriously showed up with the incredibly outdated model and wanted to field it? Come on.

It doesn't sound unreasonable to me. I have seen similar with tyranids, people fielding the screaming killer and old 'nid warriors.




So nothing too unusual about people using old models. I've seen the older slannesh models too.

I really miss G Dubs era of attitude. There was a time they had some really bold colored studio armies.

I have a box of those old tyranids in my Mom's attic. I gotta dig those guys out and paint them that color scheme! woo!

If it wasn't for that $150au price tag, I'd buy him. The whole Vampire Counts range really works for me, and he channels just the kind of ridiculous I like from GW. He's over the top, but he's not a-Werewolf-in-powered-armour-riding-a-techno-viking-boat-pulled-by-wolves over the top.

But I can think of so much more I'd rather spend $150au on.

 Guildsman wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
So is the old Nagash model still legal? With the size difference, if the old model is still legal that would be a real boon for anyone looking to play "competitively".

To sort this out and to stop that being the case GW is going to have to FAQ the old model out of existence.

GW doesn't have to do anything. I'd be shocked if they even mention the old mini.

Be shocked. They mention the old model in the white dwarf and how elements of the new model pay homage to the old.

In 40k the base size is not the deal killer it is in WFB. That's old model would only allow for three 25 mm bases to touch it. The new one being way larger. I am not sure of the actual base size I'd guess 110 mm allows for a lot more minis to attack it.
Don't get me wrong in 40k its important but not like in WFB.
I hate house rules but any jerk who showed up with Sir Tophem Hatt Nagash would deserve a beating.

 ceorron wrote:

I wonder how many of these metal models they sold. I mean... the plastics where far better at a time when it was usually vice versa.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 ceorron wrote:

I wonder how many of these metal models they sold. I mean... the plastics where far better at a time when it was usually vice versa.

Those are the plastics. The metals had a slightly different syle, since the plastics were done long before for Advanced Space Crusade.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 ceorron wrote:

I wonder how many of these metal models they sold. I mean... the plastics where far better at a time when it was usually vice versa.

Those are the plastics. The metals had a slightly different syle, since the plastics were done long before for Advanced Space Crusade.

No, those are metal. It was one miniature (only boneswords) they released when Tyranids got their army list in WD 145.

Strange. I bought a box of 3 that look exactly the same that were plastic.

Im looking at 2 of them right now and they're plastic.

What gives them away as plastic are the claws. The metals had claws like this.



The plastics, which were originally from Advanced Space Crusade with Swords and Claws, then released as a box of 3 with Deathspitters included (I don't know if they had Deathspitters in Space Crusade) looked like this.



The metal Warriors from 2nd edition had a very different aesthetic going on. I'm pretty confident those originally linked Warriors are the plastics. The plastics were also older, and, IMO, much inferior to the metals.

Don't want to derail the Nagash thread but:

I have both the 2nd edition metal and the 1st edition plastics (Advances Space Crusade). Of course they look VERY different. But these are the 1st edition metal miniatures (the miniature). It wasn't available that long and look like the plastics. But you can see the differences: claws are longer, swords and legs are shorter, necks are more foreward and overall they look inferior. There was also no Deathspitter option.

Edit: Loki, just compare the plastic models you posted to those in the picture from Phydox.

What's the verdict on Neferata's rules? It sounds like we don't know what her Vampiric Powers are - fairly certain she will have Beguile and Quickblood though - but her stats are really good, she sounds like a bit of a glass cannon though with only a 6+ armour save albeit eight wounds. Do we know what her special rules do or if she has any kind of ward save? I'm hoping she will be good as I really like my Lahmian Vampire Counts army.

As a point of fluffiness, Nagash's missing hand that crawled away is attached to his body in this new model, they point it out in WD

So what are the Nagash rules other than him being able to summon 300 points of Infantry per turn?

 trexmeyer wrote:
So what are the Nagash rules other than him being able to summon 300 points of Infantry per turn?

From reading the cut off White Dwarf scan, he also has some pretty beefy stats, good armour, and some quite decent ability in close combat. He's not going to be melting multiple ranks off a regiment in a single turn like a blender vampire lord, but he's no pushover either.

His magical abilities are also far and away more interesting than his ability to summon lots of models - he is a level 5 wizard, the second model only after Arkhan the Black, IIRC. He generates his spells from the Lore of Vampires, Lore of Nehekara, Lore of Death, Lore of Light and the Lore of Undeath from the Undead Legions book. He has the ability to reroll miscasts (but has to accept the second result) and reduces crumble by 2 for units within 12". His mass summoning comes from a rule that, when he successfully uses a Lore of Undeath summon spell, causes him to triple the result.

Though the new Arkhan is only Lvl 4 since Nagash took his shiny book back.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Black Lantern wrote:
I don't really care what the score with him is. The model is stunning, and my wife plays TK, and I play VC so this has put a stupid grin on my face

So if there'll be ever problems in the marriage, there's one thing that would overcome all troubles and misunderstandings. The bond you will always share. The guardian of the relationship and bringer of love and togetherness. Nagash.

I wonder if they will ever redo the zombies. The current ones just look so poor now next to the rest of the VC models.

 bubber wrote:
I wonder if they will ever redo the zombies. The current ones just look so poor now next to the rest of the VC models.

I'm not sure it matters if they do? There are tons of zombie miniatures on the market, much cheaper and in many cases better sculpts to the GW ones.

I'm interested to see all the special character in the book. We know of:

-Nagash
- Arkhan
- Mannfred
- Neferata
- Krell (WD battle report)
- Valten
- Krom

And we can safely assume:
- Archeon

Who else??

We know of alternate Vlad rules (at least, that's been mentioned a few times)

 godswildcard wrote:
I'm interested to see all the special character in the book. We know of:

-Nagash
- Arkhan
- Mannfred
- Neferata
- Krell (WD battle report)
- Valten
- Krom

And we can safely assume:
- Archeon

Who else??

I haven't heard a thing about Archaon being in the book, and the fact their is going to be multiple end time books, lead me to believe he will be in another one of the series' s books, more than likely a chaos united one