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 scarletsquig wrote:
Seems to be getting to the point where the large minis are more mantelpiece ornament than practical gaming piece.

Yarrrr.

In regard to his rules, he might just be a marker instead of a model.

I don't really care what the score with him is. The model is stunning, and my wife plays TK, and I play VC so this has put a stupid grin on my face

My attempt at translating the Morghast rules:


Morghast Harbinger 80 pts/model


Morghast Archai 90 pts/model


So they either have fly or hover (assuming fly) and help with combat crumbling

 scarletsquig wrote:
Seems to be getting to the point where the large minis are more mantelpiece ornament than practical gaming piece.

This. I got really excited about the new Nagash model... and then I saw it''s fantasy's answer to the Wraithnight/Riptide.
I mean, a big kit with a big price tag is understandable, but I was expecting Nagash on a mount like a chariot or a shrine or something.

I'm not up on Nagash's fluff (having a second bash at the Time of Legends books as we speak), but is he... supposed to be that... big?

 Black Lantern wrote:
I don't really care what the score with him is. The model is stunning, and my wife plays TK, and I play VC so this has put a stupid grin on my face

So if there'll be ever problems in the marriage, there's one thing that would overcome all troubles and misunderstandings. The bond you will always share. The guardian of the relationship and bringer of love and togetherness. Nagash.

12 um is probably 12 inches. So the rules should read undead within 12 inches of those guys, suffer -1 wound due to instability

 streetsamurai wrote:
12 um is probably 12 inches.

Probably, I'd bet it's easier than telling people to use the primitive inches and feet ...

 streetsamurai wrote:
12 um is probably 12 inches. So the rules should read undead within 12 inches of those guys, suffer -1 wound due to instability

That makes a lot of sense. I agree that is most likely is.

It's getting to the point where GW miniatures could be sculpted out of gold and the price would still be off putting.

I mean it's a great looking miniature sure, but, the price and the rules. It's a glorified wound counter at the end of the day...

 scarletsquig wrote:
Seems to be getting to the point where the large minis are more mantelpiece ornament than practical gaming piece.

Looking at that photo, I just thought of how much could have been done with the resources used here. The Space Marine tactical squad has three sprues for ten instances of each component. This has two quadruple-sized sprues - almost three times as much cutting - for a special character, something that will only sell zero to one copy to any average customer.

 Anfauglir wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Seems to be getting to the point where the large minis are more mantelpiece ornament than practical gaming piece.

This. I got really excited about the new Nagash model... and then I saw it''s fantasy's answer to the Wraithnight/Riptide.
I mean, a big kit with a big price tag is understandable, but I was expecting Nagash on a mount like a chariot or a shrine or something.

I'm not up on Nagash's fluff (having a second bash at the Time of Legends books as we speak), but is he... supposed to be that... big?

The old army book for Undead described him as 15 feet tall. So, maybe?

Geez. Magic card are already sold out, I didn't get any! Did they only make 200??!!

How can the same company come up with this model and that laughable Space Wolf Santa ripoff?

Space Marines riding wolves in the 40k century is silly enough but that thing with the sled made me burst out laughing. Id be embarrassed to field it.

Then this?? Within 2 weeks? It blows my mind how hit and miss G Dubs stuff is.

Magic Cards always sell out, it might be people buying "their" set and then multiples for feeBay.

I know of one local person who when preorders come into the GW, they have bought some 5-6 sets of psychic/magic cards.

I wouldn't say always... the web store still has a lot of WoC Magic cards left

Still annoying. I like having cards but they aren't a necessity.

True enough. Sometimes they sit(I can readily get my hands on Dark Elf, Lizardman, or VC cards for example) but for quite some time they seem to sell out quick.

 bubber wrote:
Ruddy hell - when I saw the £65 price tag I thought GW was starting to go mad. But he's HUGE. Lovely model but the 'centre piece' kits are just getting way too big IMO. You need so much motivation just to put these together let alone give them a decent paint job. Then there's the fun of transporting them.

transporting him for me is easy. Put a giant magnet base under his actual base, put that in a specially fixed up plastic tote (I usually cut steel to shape. attach steel to bottom of tote, then line sides and top with foam) and boom transport made easy if space consuming for under 10 bucks.


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 AlexHolker wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Seems to be getting to the point where the large minis are more mantelpiece ornament than practical gaming piece.

Looking at that photo, I just thought of how much could have been done with the resources used here. The Space Marine tactical squad has three sprues for ten instances of each component. This has two quadruple-sized sprues - almost three times as much cutting - for a special character, something that will only sell zero to one copy to any average customer.

Apologies for the double post, but there is quite a bit of conversion potential for nagash into something like a necro/hierotitan in the TK list. or a huge statue for a nagashizzar terrain piece, etc.

the scale of the Nagash model has kind of thrown me for the loop now that ive seen it. ive never seen a bigger target.. but i do like it.

But color me unsure of what will happen to this undead legions stuff in the long term. do we know much about the lore of undeath as of yet? what kind of niche will the new lore and the combined army lists take (Meaning, will they become "like" brand new fixtures to the game in some form of supplimental fashion and usable in competition, or be relegated to campaigns and such)? im just itching to know these things.

 Wilson wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
I could see it being at least 80 if it only makes the one guy.

No way.

£50 and it's not that big.

Looks like $105

I am very tempted to get Nagash and his rules, but I can't stop thinking I should keep the £115 and hold out for the new Bretonnians. I should be able to get a lot more miniatures for my money.

like it or not, this is definitely a very impressive piece of sculpting and engineering...
the sprue breakdown really shows how much goes into designing such a complex kit...
from the very beginning, GW have made very servicable plastic kits, but nothing that blew my mind until the Land Raider kit arrived with the assault ramp that opened (playing with that kit with Jes Goodwin, before it was released, was one of the funniest moments ever, a bunch of grown men giggling like kids in the back of the Amsterdam store)...
then came the High Elf Dragon, which i thought was a big leap forward, and then the Coven Throne took it even further...
i know the aesthetic is not for everyone, but the Coven Throne really did come out of left field, with it's complexity and gravity defying design...
then came the Tesseract Vault, which, open, is a damn nice piece of engineering, with all the cables draping across and holding up the side panels...
now, GW has raised the bar again with this one...

i was slightly let down to see some of the small flaws in the Space Hulk minis, and in the DV Dark Angels, but i think the push-fit aspect still imposes some limitations...
looking at the new sprues for Nagash, you can really see the engineering in action to allow each piece of the sculpt to be cast with a huge amount of detail and complexity...
it also looks like they have integrated enough ghosts into the design to make him a pretty sturdy piece, for a giant floating guy...
it certainly looks sturdier than the open Tesseract Vault!!!

looking back on my first box of Fantasy plastics i bought in '89-ish:

http://realmofchaos80s.blogspot.mx/2012/04/drastic-plastic-warhammer-fantasy.html

GW plastics have come a long way, and i love it...

cheers
jah

Quick little fluff update I guess.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Warhammer/return-of-nagash-ebook.html

Return of Nagash book to read. Don't really know if that's the one in the pre-order bundle for GW though.

Didn't see this posted here guys.
http://www.vampirecounts.net/threads/upcoming-warhammer-fantasy-releases-including-nagash-new-vc-stuff.26478/page-17#post-396747

I think it's a great model - one of the best GW have ever done...and then I read about the bit where anybody can use this new magic lore and summon skeletons...and my heart sunk.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I think it's a great model - one of the best GW have ever done...and then I read about the bit where anybody can use this new magic lore and summon skeletons...and my heart sunk.

When the email came in, my reaction was... "Wow! This is the Nagash model I have longed for... " and then I dug around on the website and realised the supporting material was just some dumb add on that everyone will get bored of in a month.

Shows GW can still capture my interest with a model and kill my enthusiasm again in the space of 10 minutes.

 Flashman wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I think it's a great model - one of the best GW have ever done...and then I read about the bit where anybody can use this new magic lore and summon skeletons...and my heart sunk.

When the email came in, my reaction was... "Wow! This is the Nagash model I have longed for... " and then I dug around on the website and realised the supporting material was just some dumb add on that everyone will get bored of in a month.

Shows GW can still capture my interest with a model and kill my enthusiasm again in the space of 10 minutes.

I've made no secret of the fact I've ditched GW for FOW and historicals, but this was one miniature that could have seriously tempted me from GW 'retirement,' but like you say, it just comes across as a dumb add on.

I've got no real interest in buying the model for its own sake, just not into undead, but looking at the sprues, the cloak/coat would make for some pretty cool chaos/undead dragon wings. The spirits around him look more than dryad enough for my tastes, so with the right paintjob and some considered cutting and greenstuffing could look pretty nice as forest spirits coming out of trees... It's more than a little insane how big it is, but I think I'm liking that. I was saying yesterday to my local GW store manager (first time I'd been in the store for over a year btw) that there should be adult or master level kits (and that they'd sell like hotcakes), well, GW just need to whip a logo for that and stick on this kit and they've got the first piece. It's HUGE, it's going to take considerable time and effort to assemble and paint this beastie! Good look to all those who are going to give it a go!

 finnan wrote:
I was saying yesterday to my local GW store manager (first time I'd been in the store for over a year btw) that there should be adult or master level kits (and that they'd sell like hotcakes), well,

I thought forge world had that role. They just need to put FW stuff in the GW store.

yeah, I thought about that yesterday too, and FW do do some bigger kits, but is there all that much difference between all the Space Marine stuff they're churning out and the 'standard' marines, beyond the difference in material? I guess the FW marines are more fiddly if there are more components...

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I think it's a great model - one of the best GW have ever done...and then I read about the bit where anybody can use this new magic lore and summon skeletons...and my heart sunk.

I mean it's necromancy, It would have been entirely feasible and probably well received if GW did this ages ago, this is a lore that should have happened, the conversion opportunities are endless and would allow for the Vampires and TKs lore to be more flexible

I remember reading a piece of lore from a older VC Book ( I believe, could have been elsewhere) About a mortal seeking secrets related to the dark arts and he stumbles upon a Liche or Ancient Vampire, They have a wizard off, and the Undead being ponders why this mortal is so powerful for his age and has an epiphany (as he's murdering said mortal), That the reason the mortal gained so much so quickly, was that he knew he was doomed to die, there was a sense of urgency the undead being had no concept of anylonger