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 Aesop the God Awful wrote:
I've been really excited about this since it was announced. Seriously can't wait.

Is Waylands release date to be trusted? February 27? I couldn't find anything on FFG's website. If that's the release date then there's plenty of time to put money aside, because I'm very much getting this.

Also, loving that they do IG-88!

I use Wayland alot, and I do love them, but you have to understand that any release date WILL change. Multiple times.

15 dollars for three monopose grunts? I... wow. That's pretty steep for plastic monopose miniatures.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
15 dollars for three monopose grunts? I... wow. That's pretty steep for plastic monopose miniatures.

Yeah it is, but to me it depends on how much a booster adds to the core game. They come with rules and a whole lot of stuff to use in the game, so they're clearly gaming pieces primarily, and not miniatures for the painter/collector.

It's a bit of a shame really, given how popular a universe Star Wars is. But again, if those three grunts will provide game changing elements then it might be a fair price if you play the game. I'm just gonna have to wait and see.

I agree and disagree. I agree with you that if three men make an appreciable contribution to the overall gaming experience that justifies a $15 dollar purchase then it is worth it if your sole interest is in the game. However, as a miniature collector who wants this stuff for both the miniatures and the gaming experience I think it's highway robbery. 5 dollars per model is pretty expensive. Admitedly, I don't have the same foible with X-wing stuff but a TIE/ln Starfighter box contains the complete "package" for me while the Rebel trooper does not. A TIE/ln fighter is only one fighter meaning I buy the box and the unit is functionally complete not to mention prepainted. Rebel soldiers come in squads, though. Squads typically larger than three men. I believe standard size is 10 men meaning I'd have to buy four (Seriously, why can't miniatures be packed in multiples of five?) meaning I'd have to drop $60 to get the complete "package". $60. I could get a Tactical squad for that. A Space Marine tactical squad doesn't come with the stats and rules, admittedly, but it's also $20 cheaper and they're fully customizable with multiple options for weapons, heads, legs, shoulders pads and etc.

Maybe I'm just too much of a military miniature gamer and that I demand that everything is delivered to me in the fashion of military miniatures. I suppose whether or not the Rebel trooper box is worth it depends on where you place the value at.

Where did it say you need 10?

Nowhere. I'm just saying that I like collecting complete squads so that'll skew my perception of the value of the box. Some, or most, may not share my sentiment so the pricing point wont sting as much.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I suppose whether or not the Rebel trooper box is worth it depends on where you place the value at.

Yes yes. Infinity models are obscenely expensive too, if you want to build a Warpath army with them.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Nowhere. I'm just saying that I like collecting complete squads so that'll skew my perception of the value of the box. Some, or most, may not share my sentiment so the pricing point wont sting as much.

Yeah, I rather suspect that most people will be placing value on them as a supplement for the game that they were made for.

The people who buy them probably will. But then, I won't be buying them because I care more about them as minis than as supplements for a game I realistically will never play.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
15 dollars for three monopose grunts?

Well, no, $15 for three monopose grunts, new missions and key Command cards.

 insaniak wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
15 dollars for three monopose grunts?

Well, no, $15 for three monopose grunts, new missions and key Command cards.

So, three monopose grunts and packaging ballast?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
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So, three monopose grunts and packaging ballast?

I thought we had already established that you're not actually interested in the game?

 insaniak wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Nowhere. I'm just saying that I like collecting complete squads so that'll skew my perception of the value of the box. Some, or most, may not share my sentiment so the pricing point wont sting as much.

Yeah, I rather suspect that most people will be placing value on them as a supplement for the game that they were made for.

Right. So... I guess I have nothing more to say on the matter. It's pricey if you want it for the minis, it's decent if you want the game.


Moving on, that AT-St alone is enough to entice me to the game. I've always wanted to paint an Imperial walker. I can't wait for an AT-AT.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Nowhere. I'm just saying that I like collecting complete squads so that'll skew my perception of the value of the box. Some, or most, may not share my sentiment so the pricing point wont sting as much.

Yeah, I rather suspect that most people will be placing value on them as a supplement for the game that they were made for.

Right. So... I guess I have nothing more to say on the matter. It's pricey if you want it for the minis, it's decent if you want the game.


Moving on, that AT-St alone is enough to entice me to the game. I've always wanted to paint an Imperial walker. I can't wait for an AT-AT.

Why wait?

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/261614633816

I've seen one of these in the plastic and it should take a new paint job pretty well. It was for sale, too, and I totally regret not buying it for the ~$30 asking price.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Nowhere. I'm just saying that I like collecting complete squads so that'll skew my perception of the value of the box. Some, or most, may not share my sentiment so the pricing point wont sting as much.

What says a "squad" is 10 people?


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
15 dollars for three monopose grunts?

Well, no, $15 for three monopose grunts, new missions and key Command cards.

So, three monopose grunts and packaging ballast?

No, pieces for a GAME.

No matter how you want to look at it, these are made for a game, not made for miniature collectors. You can't divorce the game aspect from them because that is specifically what they're made for.

 Siygess wrote:
Why wait?

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/261614633816

I've seen one of these in the plastic and it should take a new paint job pretty well. It was for sale, too, and I totally regret not buying it for the ~$30 asking price.

I have 5 of those tucked away, waiting for a Battle of Hoth that may happen one day when I have hobby time again...

 insaniak wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
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So, three monopose grunts and packaging ballast?

I thought we had already established that you're not actually interested in the game?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
15 dollars for three monopose grunts?

Well, no, $15 for three monopose grunts, new missions and key Command cards.

So, three monopose grunts and packaging ballast?

No, pieces for a GAME.

No matter how you want to look at it, these are made for a game, not made for miniature collectors. You can't divorce the game aspect from them because that is specifically what they're made for.

See, your responses indicate you missed the whole point. Let's review:

 insaniak wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Nowhere. I'm just saying that I like collecting complete squads so that'll skew my perception of the value of the box. Some, or most, may not share my sentiment so the pricing point wont sting as much.

Yeah, I rather suspect that most people will be placing value on them as a supplement for the game that they were made for.

The assumption that most customers interested in 28mm Star Wars figures would also be interested in the FFG boardgame is what I am arguing against. The claim is unbelievable on the face of it--just ask Dreamforge how many of their customers just buy Eisenkern Stormtroopers for the Iron Core system. Ask Dreamforge what would happen if they priced their kits to discourage everyone who didn't play Iron Core from purchasing their kits. The point is that FFG's DSM-IV-worthy pricing is not just leaving wargamers' money on the table, it's leaving the table almost altogether. I have seen dozens, if not hundreds, of gamers mention how much they would love to use this-or-that Star Wars mini for IG, stormtroopers, Inquisition, Dreadball, Deadzone, whatever, if only someone would make them. So, FFG finally made Star wars figures, and then slammed the door on all the potential customers in Tabletop gaming who don't want to play an FFG board game for whatever reason.

You admit that the product looks unappealing to anyone who wants to buy it outside of the narrow demographic of players who want another board game. Why can you not admit that that is potentially a larger group of people than customers looking to pay outrageous prices for an untested, branded board game?

I don't feel FFG has ever gouged me, so I'm more than willing to see how this actually is released and comes out. Games have always been fun and eventful.

But just like GW products, they will still sell.

Again, I can't wait.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
[You admit that the product looks unappealing to anyone who wants to buy it outside of the narrow demographic of players who want another board game. Why can you not admit that that is potentially a larger group of people than customers looking to pay outrageous prices for an untested, branded board game?

What is there to 'admit'?

Sure, there are people who want Star Wars minis for things other than this boardgame. That doesn't change the fact that the price for the expansions here is not just covering the miniatures. If the other things in the box are of no interest to you, that doesn't change the fact that they come with the minis.

Your argument is akin to me complaining about the price of a Ferrari on the basis that I only want the chassis. They should throw in all the other 'useless' stuff for free, right?

That's an awful comparison.

Eh, FFG weren't thinking about the miniature collectors or the wargamers when they put this game together, any more than Descent was an attempt to create a line of good plastic fantasy minis for the same groups.

It's not even a missed opportunity because that assumes that FFG would have walked that road 'if only they knew how badly people wanted a 28mm Star Wars wargame.' Of course they know but they don't give a rats ass. Maybe its contractual but more than likely they are sticking to what they are good at, making the most of the license and their in-house expertise with minimal extra cost to get this "safe bet" reskin out. Consider this:

WotC put out over 600 unique sculpts for their Star Wars miniatures line and with the exception of a Clone Wars era CIS droid army and maybe a very samey force of Stromtroopers, you would be hard pressed to get enough of a selection of minis to assemble a well rounded army. Considering how many non-unique sculpts we are seeing in the previews I think it's pretty clear that FFG don't want a piece of that.

Edit: Also let us not forget that there has already been a line of high quality 30mm Star Wars miniatures courtesy of Knight Models. They produced minis during the tail end of WotC's licence (I believe, though there may not have been any overlap) through to mid 2012 when it went to FFG. So they were putting them out for about 2 years in that scale.. yet I don't know a single gamer and Star Wars fan who purchased any of them. Hell, even I didn't buy any and I'm a pretty big fan of all things Star Wars. I - like a lot of people I think - were waiting for a more fully fleshed out range to pick from.

 Siygess wrote:
Eh, FFG weren't thinking about the miniature collectors or the wargamers when they put this game together, any more than Descent was an attempt to create a line of good plastic fantasy minis for the same groups.

It's not even a missed opportunity because that assumes that FFG would have walked that road 'if only they knew how badly people wanted a 28mm Star Wars wargame.' Of course they know but they don't give a rats ass. Maybe its contractual but more than likely they are sticking to what they are good at, making the most of the license and their in-house expertise with minimal extra cost to get this "safe bet" reskin out. Consider this:

WotC put out over 600 unique sculpts for their Star Wars miniatures line and with the exception of a Clone Wars era CIS droid army and maybe a very samey force of Stromtroopers, you would be hard pressed to get enough of a selection of minis to assemble a well rounded army. Considering how many non-unique sculpts we are seeing in the previews I think it's pretty clear that FFG don't want a piece of that.

You don't think they could have found a way to include more minis with the very expensive rules chits to lower the price per figure? Are rules always that expensive when they are thrown in the box under the models that give the game actual broad appeal? I just don't believe that's the case at all. I feel like FFG is trying to see how much more they can get out of their customers when they have a big name brand. And I do believe GW's rampant pricing extravagances paved the way for this kind of pricing, as well as Battlefront's DUST gouging.

Edit: Also let us not forget that there has already been a line of high quality 30mm Star Wars miniatures courtesy of Knight Models. They produced minis during the tail end of WotC's licence (I believe, though there may not have been any overlap) through to mid 2012 when it went to FFG. So they were putting them out for about 2 years in that scale.. yet I don't know a single gamer and Star Wars fan who purchased any of them. Hell, even I didn't buy any and I'm a pretty big fan of all things Star Wars. I - like a lot of people I think - were waiting for a more fully fleshed out range to pick from.

I didn't buy them because they were too expensive. And who really needs a single master-sculpted storm trooper instead of a corridorful of hastily-thrown-together stormtroopers? Which one is more accurate to the setting?

Given that a lot of people play RPG's with miniatures, and that FFG produce their own Star Wars RPGs, it seems foolish not to offer a "miniature only" line for RPG players.

I think they know that people will buy these to use in their RPG anyway. After you've got a few sets (rebels, Stormtroopers, etc) for the RPG, then people might be tempted to buy IA to use the rest of the rules and chits that these models came with anyway.


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And yeah, the Knight models figures were both slightly overscale and very expensive. They were lovely, but way more than I'd be willing to pay. Which is why I also haven't got any of their Batman etc stuff.

The local dollar store has tons of Batman figurines, and they scale well wuth the Star Wars Command minis, which make great True Scale Primarchs for cheap bastards like me.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
15 dollars for three monopose grunts? I... wow. That's pretty steep for plastic monopose miniatures.

GW has their monopose plastics at $20-$30. Malifaux monopose get fairly pricey, too. Then again, FFG "miniatures" have always been cheaply done for boardgames and not miniatures games so I cede the point to you.

If FFG offered a minis only box I'll bet they'd have to pay for a whole extra licence in order to do so

(assuming some other company does not already have that licence)

so they'd probably be even more expensive

I doubt FFG Star Wars licence allows them to sell the miniatures stand alone. It almost certainly stipulates that they can only be sold as expansions for the board game.

Their deal is getting worse all the time.

It's Star Wars, price is okay and it looks great.

Seriously after digging about on this one, it looks like it could be a winner.

If I had three gripes.

1. I would probably have preferred the minis were produced in a more brittle plastic to prevent warp (most noticeable on the Wookiee weapon) but then I can also understand the plastic used will likely be more robust for those not so careful when handling, like my 8 year old.

2. It would be nice if the fringe models were in a different colour to the other 2 factions (Imperials seem to be in Grey and Rebels in Brown). I suppose the only problem here would be what colour.

3. It would have been nice to have some of the grunts in different poses and matching cards. Hopefully they will address this in future expansions.

After viewing the reviews below this looks like it could fly off the shelves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQKGJPHtBDE&list=UUiwBbXQlljGjKtKhcdMliRA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a45N70fgcvU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5FEJjdZf5g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p03EHFJtoHo

Tom Vasel seems to barely contain his excitement for the game in the first review.

Seems like this could be the game Rebel Storm could have been and also a step up from Descent if you prefer Sci-fi.

Just wish this was due for release prior to Christmas. It's going to be a long 4 months, if released on schedule. Lets hope FFG stay on target