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Slaanesh also engineered its own birth by pushing the Eldar onto the path of debauchery and leading the party cum ritual that spawned it, soo...

That may be, but that's not part of the fluff is it ?

Yes, it is, as of Liber Chaotica: Slaanesh, as well as parts of the 4e Eldar codex.

Damn you Slaanesh !!!

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Quickjager wrote:
Back on topic. The reason none of this Warpstorm business makes sense is because GW are merely using Tau as a cashgrab, notice how they're the only faction that is tabletop that wasn't introduced 10,000 years ago? Instead they're introduced in a much closer time? That is so none of the screwed up lore is screwed up more, and they failed already.

Also we already know Tau can be seen by demons, Farsight fought some of them, whereas blanks/nulls have been quoted in lore as being to walk through hordes of demons un-noticed.

Uh, Sisters of Battle and Ordo Hereticus: Created M.36 - Previous precedence Sisters of Silence (dating back the Great Crusade even in books not affiliated with other Sisters) are basically whom the SoB are spiritual successors to. Ordo Hereticus is literally 1 model.

Carcharodons: Created M.37 - Later Space Marine founding that was introduced via Forgeworld, were they needed? Na. SOME fluff has them recorded M.32 might just be bad record keeping that all GW does.

Tyranids: Entered the galaxy M.40. Late M.40. - Released 1993, Difference between them and the Tau is they were ALWAYS in the fluff in one way or another ALL the way to Rouge Trader 1st Ed. Oh yea and they're a legitimate GALATIC threat as even the Tau know.

Crimson Slaughter: Created M.41 - You got me there, but in defense I don't think even GW knows what they're doing with them. At the end it was just to give DA a actual tangible enemy

Your logic is flawed.

Responses in yellow, the point is of everyone in the 40k Universe, the only End-game threats are Tyranids, Necrons, Chaos, and I want to say Orks (So none of the races that could potentially bring Order to the Galaxy I mean how else is it gonna be GrimDark?). Tau exist as a rule of cool like everything else, just like Grey Knights, Imperial Knights, most of the SM sub-chapters, i.e none of those are going to do anything Universe changing when it comes down to crunch-time. They exist like someone else said, to represent all the other xenos races the Imperium stumbles over to add flavor, so if you ask me there should be less focus on BATTLESUITS and more on new species.

What are you guys even arguing about? You seem to just be pointing out how wrong each other are.

Ye we know Chaos aren't gonna splurge out the cadian gate and everyone is gonna turn to the Tau to stop them. Cause that would change the balance of the game and the universe like killing off a big character or something.

But I personally think someone may have a plan like that for them even if it doesn't come to fruition cause the story doesn't really progress.

Taffy17 wrote:
What are you guys even arguing about? You seem to just be pointing out how wrong each other are.

Ye we know Chaos aren't gonna splurge out the cadian gate and everyone is gonna turn to the Tau to stop them. Cause that would change the balance of the game and the universe like killing off a big character or something.

But I personally think someone may have a plan like that for them even if it doesn't come to fruition cause the story doesn't really progress.

I dunno what we were arguing about, but yea Tau in fluff did have a chance to make a bang. Its just that GW doesn't know how to do that without compromising the Imperium in that sector (Of which the Ultramarines are in charge), I mean they DID have a psyker race enter their empire in fluff, they SHOULD theroetically have access to warp travel.

morgoth wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So, they Laws of physics don't apply. Great.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

-Arthur C Clarke

Tech has nohing to do with physics. You can't go faster than the speed of light. That's why they use the warp.

That's an assumption based on the not-so-advanced science of the late 20th and early 21st century.

It's one of the few things we know to be (almost) fully provable. The only way you are going to go fster than the speed of light is to use gravity to bend space-time, and then it gets complicated. And you wouldn't even be going faster than the speed of light, just faster than the rest of the universe's speed of light.

Quickjager wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:
What are you guys even arguing about? You seem to just be pointing out how wrong each other are.

Ye we know Chaos aren't gonna splurge out the cadian gate and everyone is gonna turn to the Tau to stop them. Cause that would change the balance of the game and the universe like killing off a big character or something.

But I personally think someone may have a plan like that for them even if it doesn't come to fruition cause the story doesn't really progress.

I dunno what we were arguing about, but yea Tau in fluff did have a chance to make a bang. Its just that GW doesn't know how to do that without compromising the Imperium in that sector (Of which the Ultramarines are in charge), I mean they DID have a psyker race enter their empire in fluff, they SHOULD theroetically have access to warp travel.

I think the Nicassar was one of the first races to join the Empire.

The Tau have been playing that card close to the chest- the Imperium has no clue about them.

They're purportedly power psykers, but not capable of much physically.

I'm sure at some point, the Ethereals will use them to surprise the Imperium with a kick to the nuts.

The nissacar are quite interesting. They are floating psycic polar bears.

Quickjager wrote:


Responses in yellow, the point is of everyone in the 40k Universe, the only End-game threats are Tyranids, Necrons, Chaos, and I want to say Orks (So none of the races that could potentially bring Order to the Galaxy I mean how else is it gonna be GrimDark?). Tau exist as a rule of cool like everything else, just like Grey Knights, Imperial Knights, most of the SM sub-chapters, i.e none of those are going to do anything Universe changing when it comes down to crunch-time. They exist like someone else said, to represent all the other xenos races the Imperium stumbles over to add flavor, so if you ask me there should be less focus on BATTLESUITS and more on new species.

It'd be nice if they'd fix the Vespid while they're at it...

I could do with some Tarellians or Demiurg, though.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

morgoth wrote:

That's an assumption based on the not-so-advanced science of the late 20th and early 21st century.

It's one of the few things we know to be (almost) fully provable. The only way you are going to go fster than the speed of light is to use gravity to bend space-time, and then it gets complicated. And you wouldn't even be going faster than the speed of light, just faster than the rest of the universe's speed of light.

Not long ago, believers just like you thought the Earth was flat.
I know nothing, you know nothing, current physics doesn't even understand gravity, and you believe in whatever you know so hard you're ready to hold it as a fact ?

morgoth wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

morgoth wrote:

That's an assumption based on the not-so-advanced science of the late 20th and early 21st century.

It's one of the few things we know to be (almost) fully provable. The only way you are going to go fster than the speed of light is to use gravity to bend space-time, and then it gets complicated. And you wouldn't even be going faster than the speed of light, just faster than the rest of the universe's speed of light.

Not long ago, believers just like you thought the Earth was flat.
I know nothing, you know nothing, current physics doesn't even understand gravity, and you believe in whatever you know so hard you're ready to hold it as a fact ?

No, that's just wrong. We have known the earth was round for a very long time. One of the Greek philosophers even calculated the circumference of earth (and can pretty darn close too). We know this about as well as we know anything else (not 100%, but pretty darn close). Unless you actually know this stuff, don't just say I am wrong. Being that it is, of course, a different universe the laws of physics might be different, but GW has tried to inject a feeling of reality (i.e. you can't go faster than light and have to use space magic to do so).

Yea, most people in the old ages knew the earth was round. You could figure it out in several ways but the simplest was the fact that ships sailing on the ocean went DOWN as they sailed out of your sight into the distance.

Calculating the properties of the speed of light is probably much more complicated, admittingly.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

morgoth wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

morgoth wrote:

That's an assumption based on the not-so-advanced science of the late 20th and early 21st century.

It's one of the few things we know to be (almost) fully provable. The only way you are going to go fster than the speed of light is to use gravity to bend space-time, and then it gets complicated. And you wouldn't even be going faster than the speed of light, just faster than the rest of the universe's speed of light.

Not long ago, believers just like you thought the Earth was flat.
I know nothing, you know nothing, current physics doesn't even understand gravity, and you believe in whatever you know so hard you're ready to hold it as a fact ?

No, that's just wrong. We have known the earth was round for a very long time. One of the Greek philosophers even calculated the circumference of earth (and can pretty darn close too). We know this about as well as we know anything else (not 100%, but pretty darn close). Unless you actually know this stuff, don't just say I am wrong. Being that it is, of course, a different universe the laws of physics might be different, but GW has tried to inject a feeling of reality (i.e. you can't go faster than light and have to use space magic to do so).

3000 years is not a long time.
I know a lot about physics, and I'm telling you you're mistaking theories for reality.

morgoth wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

morgoth wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

morgoth wrote:

That's an assumption based on the not-so-advanced science of the late 20th and early 21st century.

It's one of the few things we know to be (almost) fully provable. The only way you are going to go fster than the speed of light is to use gravity to bend space-time, and then it gets complicated. And you wouldn't even be going faster than the speed of light, just faster than the rest of the universe's speed of light.

Not long ago, believers just like you thought the Earth was flat.
I know nothing, you know nothing, current physics doesn't even understand gravity, and you believe in whatever you know so hard you're ready to hold it as a fact ?

No, that's just wrong. We have known the earth was round for a very long time. One of the Greek philosophers even calculated the circumference of earth (and can pretty darn close too). We know this about as well as we know anything else (not 100%, but pretty darn close). Unless you actually know this stuff, don't just say I am wrong. Being that it is, of course, a different universe the laws of physics might be different, but GW has tried to inject a feeling of reality (i.e. you can't go faster than light and have to use space magic to do so).

3000 years is not a long time.
I know a lot about physics, and I'm telling you you're mistaking theories for reality.

Everything is theories. Nothing is fully provable. And what do you mean 3000 years isn't a long time? It is a very long time for us.
Also, the "earth is flat" thing doesn't even make sense here as it was not based on science.

Uh, Sisters of Battle and Ordo Hereticus: Created M.36 - Previous precedence Sisters of Silence (dating back the Great Crusade even in books not affiliated with other Sisters) are basically whom the SoB are spiritual successors to. Ordo Hereticus is literally 1 model.

No. The only similarity or relation between the two is the fact that they both use the word "Sister". Otherwise, they have absolutely nothing in common.

The origin of the Adepta Sororitas is very well known, and they are not descended from the Sisters of Silence.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Everything is theories. Nothing is fully provable. And what do you mean 3000 years isn't a long time? It is a very long time for us.
Also, the "earth is flat" thing doesn't even make sense here as it was not based on science.

Point being: your beliefs are just beliefs, the science you think is so right has so far only been able to predict some of the phenomena that we can observe, many on a purely statistical basis only, and is still unable to explain many phenomena that can be observed.
To pretend that our understanding of the universe is anywhere close to complete is foolish, as it is to state anything definitive on the matter of space travel.

3000 years is not a long time for a species to evolve, I expect that in +3000 years, your beliefs will be at least as ridiculous as "the earth is flat", and your vision of science will look as ridiculous as earlier less factual approaches.

morgoth wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Everything is theories. Nothing is fully provable. And what do you mean 3000 years isn't a long time? It is a very long time for us.
Also, the "earth is flat" thing doesn't even make sense here as it was not based on science.

Point being: your beliefs are just beliefs, the science you think is so right has so far only been able to predict some of the phenomena that we can observe, many on a purely statistical basis only, and is still unable to explain many phenomena that can be observed.
To pretend that our understanding of the universe is anywhere close to complete is foolish, as it is to state anything definitive on the matter of space travel.

3000 years is not a long time for a species to evolve, I expect that in +3000 years, your beliefs will be at least as ridiculous as "the earth is flat", and your vision of science will look as ridiculous as earlier less factual approaches.

Your point being? You seem to have gone off from the point at hand to saying that all science is wrong.

 Psienesis wrote:

Uh, Sisters of Battle and Ordo Hereticus: Created M.36 - Previous precedence Sisters of Silence (dating back the Great Crusade even in books not affiliated with other Sisters) are basically whom the SoB are spiritual successors to. Ordo Hereticus is literally 1 model.

No. The only similarity or relation between the two is the fact that they both use the word "Sister". Otherwise, they have absolutely nothing in common.

The origin of the Adepta Sororitas is very well known, and they are not descended from the Sisters of Silence.

I said spiritual successors.

I'm really not seeing a spiritual succession between an order of Untouchables from a time pre-dating the Ecclesiarchy. and a penitent organization of women who worship the Emperor as an absolute god and, through that faith, manifest miracles, other than the usage of "Sisters" and the fact that both organizations are exclusively female.

I'm just not seeing it. That the Sororitas now crew the Black Ships is more an indication that the SOS simply doesn't exist anymore, or perhaps not in sufficient number to meet the demand, as this function was not why the SoB was created. I just don't think these two organizations have the ties through history. The SoB are wrapped up in the Age of Apostasy, Vandire, the Thorian Reformation and the establishment of the Ecclesiarchy as we know it today, rather than the Heresy-era Imperium.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So, they Laws of physics don't apply. Great.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

-Arthur C Clarke

Tech has nohing to do with physics. You can't go faster than the speed of light. That's why they use the warp.

Actually you can, or have you not heard of the warp drive in real life?

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So, they Laws of physics don't apply. Great.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

-Arthur C Clarke

Tech has nohing to do with physics. You can't go faster than the speed of light. That's why they use the warp.

Actually you can, or have you not heard of the warp drive in real life?

No, I haven't.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So, they Laws of physics don't apply. Great.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

-Arthur C Clarke

Tech has nohing to do with physics. You can't go faster than the speed of light. That's why they use the warp.

Actually you can, or have you not heard of the warp drive in real life?

No, I haven't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

You don't have to go faster than light. You just have to bend space.

That device is, currently, only theoretical and, possibly, entirely impossible as our understanding of physics expands.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So, they Laws of physics don't apply. Great.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

-Arthur C Clarke

Tech has nohing to do with physics. You can't go faster than the speed of light. That's why they use the warp.

Actually you can, or have you not heard of the warp drive in real life?

No, I haven't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

You don't have to go faster than light. You just have to bend space.

I did mention that later down in the discussion.

 Psienesis wrote:
That device is, currently, only theoretical and, possibly, entirely impossible as our understanding of physics expands.

The math works. The problem is just figuring out how the bloody hell to make negative energy.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
So, they Laws of physics don't apply. Great.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

-Arthur C Clarke

Tech has nohing to do with physics. You can't go faster than the speed of light. That's why they use the warp.

Actually you can, or have you not heard of the warp drive in real life?

So kindly point us to the experimental evidence of a functional warp drive or anything travelling faster than 3*10^8 m/s in a vacuum?


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 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
That device is, currently, only theoretical and, possibly, entirely impossible as our understanding of physics expands.

The math works. The problem is just figuring out how the bloody hell to make negative energy.

So, it doesn't work. You cannot make negative energy as it would allow you to lower the total amount of energy in the universe, a violation of the Laws of Thermodynamics.

Could the Imperial trolls please go away so that those of us who don't get our joy by raining on everyone's parade can talk about the topic?

 EmpNortonII wrote:
Could the Imperial trolls please go away so that those of us who don't get our joy by raining on everyone's parade can talk about the topic?

May i suggest the Tau Troll who gets his Fun from dissing the IOM in several Threads should think about his own actions First ?
So everyone willing can stay on topic of the OP s Question based on published material of GW instead of your personal Imagination .
Thanks.