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2014/09/02 12:20:01
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: This is the whole issue, and it is so damn trivial that I see no reason whatsoever to care about it.
You think that corruption within the realms of video-games journalism and indie game development and the way that those within that system swear, abuse and otherwise degrade* anyone who speaks out about it is trivial?
*This week alone we've had people comparing gamers to the Hitler Youth, saying that they had more sympathy for ISIS terrorists, and on a single day last 10 different articles talking about how "gamers" were all reprehensible human beings, misogynist homophobic transphobic sexist scum.
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This is the whole issue, and it is so damn trivial that I see no reason whatsoever to care about it. Whether those people are trolling or serious, why the hell do you give them any attention? Are they going to have any impact whatsoever on you or the rest of the world with their Twitter messages?
You know I am a gamer, right? I do play video games, I have always play video games, I do even watch video games, I even go to a bar dedicated to people that watch video games. And I do not care about what Joe McRandom says on Twitter about gamers. Why should I give a damn? Will it make me a better Strife player? Will it change the number of games on my Steam account? Will it prevent video game companies to release new awesome video games?
Hence the irony of you telling me that I care about trivialities while making a mountain out of a molehill.
Mr. Joe Random?
Hahahaha.
These are very well known gaming journalists, Adam Sessler being one of the best journalists out there. I actually expected more out of him.
These are not joe randoms, these are journalists, credible (Well not anymore) writers that have been the industry's elite for years. These are not RANDOM players.
They are degrading the integral part of the gaming community. Because games matter, because games can do better than just us having fun. I see world where kids sit down and play a game and have an emotional field trip, and ponder the philisophies of that game and apply it to their own life.
A game can do more than just cause you to have fun.
Tell me what is the difference between a video game and a book?
A book is not interactive, you can not choose to go here, and move here. For one the book is defined, very literally by its linear path. If you want to learn more about a character or place, you are only given what the author has written.
In a game, its an interactive world, you walk in and you explore, Though there are still borders there is still much more that can be done in that world.
If game devs and game designers are standing behind the journalists, that is a troubling fact indeed, because that side needs to prove itself for being trustworthy. You can't call this just stupid gamers being stupid. They are actual intellectuals who bring out fantastic points, points that have not been seen before.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: This is the whole issue, and it is so damn trivial that I see no reason whatsoever to care about it.
You think that corruption within the realms of video-games journalism and indie game development and the way that those within that system swear, abuse and otherwise degrade* anyone who speaks out about it is trivial?
*This week alone we've had people comparing gamers to the Hitler Youth, saying that they had more sympathy for ISIS terrorists, and on a single day last 10 different articles talking about how "gamers" were all reprehensible human beings, misogynist homophobic transphobic sexist scum.
Yeah. I've seen that, and I was even insulted. Because they forget that a very large part of the population is actually very intelligent.
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2014/09/02 12:36:14
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
H.B.M.C. wrote: You think that corruption within the realms of video-games journalism and indie game development and the way that those within that system swear, abuse and otherwise degrade* anyone who speaks out about it is trivial?
Yes. Yes I do. I did not know the name of about every damn people involved in this event beforehand. I do not care about video-game journalists in general because I do not read their articles. I do not care about those people from indie game development because apparently, the only one whose game I have heard of and considered playing was Fez, and here the developer just make me feel sorry for him rather than angry at him. Seriously, he is not causing any harm to me, he is not causing any harm to anybody, he is just angry and spiteful. That is not a pleasant feeling, and I feel sorry for him. The other people are random strangers.
Are the people whose game I play involved? Are the people from S2 involved? Are the people from Ludosity involved? Are the people from Valve involved? Are the people from Klei involved? Are the people from Hanako Games involved? Are the people from Blizzard involved? Are the people from Double Fine involved? Are the people from Team Meat involved? How many other game company, big or small, that made games I play and enjoy do I need to list before you understand why I do not care in the slightest about your triviality?
On the other hand, you think that the fact that on any and almost every representation of female characters the need to be sexy is put above every other considerations as trivial. Good for you, but I do not agree.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/02 12:38:17
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Asherian Command wrote: These are very well known gaming journalists, Adam Sessler being one of the best journalists out there. I actually expected more out of him.
Never heard of him. Can you explain quickly why I should care about him? From what I know, even among gamers, only a tiny minority reads game journalists. And basically no non-gamer ever will read his prose. So, why care, really?
Asherian Command wrote: Because games matter, because games can do better than just us having fun.
Do you mean like “Game can carry a message, voluntarily and involuntarily too, and therefore the way character are represented in them do actually matter”? Good, then you need to convince H.B.M.C., he thinks that this is just some triviality. But somehow what Joe McVideoGameJournalist says is extremely important for the future of gaming because reasons that I have not been able to understand.
I am going to tell you that if some very specific literary critic and some writers that I have never heard about in my whole life started getting angry and shouting that readers suck, I would definitely not care either. I would keep on reading the books I like, written by decent people. Because, you know, books, like games, are just a medium, used by many very different people to create many different works that are consumed in very different ways by very different people, and what this tiny tiny portion of people that make games/write books say is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO THE BIG PICTURE.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/02 13:04:34
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Asherian Command wrote: These are very well known gaming journalists, Adam Sessler being one of the best journalists out there. I actually expected more out of him.
Never heard of him. Can you explain quickly why I should care about him? From what I know, even among gamers, only a tiny minority reads game journalists. And basically no non-gamer ever will read his prose. So, why care, really?
Asherian Command wrote: Because games matter, because games can do better than just us having fun.
Do you mean like “Game can carry a message, voluntarily and involuntarily too, and therefore the way character are represented in them do actually matter”? Good, then you need to convince H.B.M.C., he thinks that this is just some triviality. But somehow what Joe McVideoGameJournalist says is extremely important for the future of gaming because reasons that I have not been able to understand.
I am going to tell you that if some very specific literary critic and some writers that I have never heard about in my whole life started getting angry and shouting that readers suck, I would definitely not care either. I would keep on reading the books I like, written by decent people. Because, you know, books, like games, are just a medium, used by many very different people to create many different works that are consumed in very different ways by very different people, and what this tiny tiny portion of people that make games/write books say is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO THE BIG PICTURE.
Sure. I mean what a character does, say or do, especially depending on their gender really shows how the game devs think about the other gender. ITs a hidden bias they hold.
If a woman is scantly clad, it shows alot of things about the character and mostly definately the game devs. It shows, one major thing. Idiocy and immaturity. It shows that they are still getting over the empowerment fantasy over woman or something like that. IT is kind of dumb. There is no reason you cannot arm your female character in full body armor. It is not really trival. It shows what state the gaming community is. I mean lets take it this way.
What would the character think. Okay she is skanky looking and is showing off her... Ummm.. Personality and she walks into a room. What would the males do? I mean if most woman dressed like that. That would be interesting. I mean artisitically in a world where woman are slaves, and the game is all about female's being slaves to a male lead society, that would be very interesting, and we would have a reason for the woman to be scantly claded. But in all other games. Why the hell do you have woman in anything but bikinis? Where at least 60% and growing of the popluation is now female. If you want to appeal to them, appeal to them, by not cantering to our sexuality. You already fulfill one thing and that's want. We want a game, the game cover tells us alot about the game and what to expect.
Its what you say on the front that matters. Yes, I've heard that BS about don't judge a book by its cover, but it does show the direction the art and designers took in the game.
Can you explain quickly why I should care about him?
Because he is one of the voices that Game Designers and Developers listen to more than the gaming community. And like it or not but he has more sway over video games than you know. Lets say he gave a game a 1 out of 5. A terrible score. Another reviewer would hear from Sessler how bad this game is and give it a similar score and so on and so forth. Now lets just for the purposes of this argument say that game wasn't actually that bad, and was actually quite good. And they mostly put it down because it lacked multiplayer and extra content that most games are expected to have. Would that game necessarily be that bad?
I mean IGN always gives a perfect score to call of duty. And what does that tell us designers and developers.
To make more games like call of duty. To use that system, to be like call of duty. And whenever a game like Spec Ops: The Line comes out, that it pays not to be original, (Because spec ops was panned by IGN, and many games, because it lacked multiplayer components, and 'tight' controls. Mostly because they were comparing it to other games)
Also how things are totally irrelevant to the big picture is actually false.
Remember jack thompson? You know the guy that thought video games were the incarnation of the devil or something like that. Yeah those are the types of people that write so much about video games, and sometimes that voice is heard.
Gaming has had the journalists stand up for gamers everywhere.
We put our trust in these individuals, we believe these people are truthful.
And with that comes a double edge sword. Because in the end if they do something bad, it reflects us an image of ourselves.
This gives us a reason to hate them.
That is what mainly is happening here. People trust these individuals so much, that when a journalist goes down that blackened road.
That it shows to us how stupid we were for trusting them.
What an awful week for the culture that surrounds and influences video games.
Last week, a game designer's personal life was exposed to the internet, and used to justify physical threats to both the developer and her colleagues. The designer was one of many people targeted in an orchestrated harassment effort directed at game developers.
On Friday, harassers hacked game designer Phil Fish's Twitter account and website. Fish, at least briefly, contemplated selling his company and leaving the industry altogether.
On Sunday, a fake bomb threat from a hacker group diverted the flight of Sony Online Entertainment president John Smedley.
That day, the same hacker group claimed responsibility for shutting down Sony's PlayStation Network. According to an official earnings forecast, an attack that shut down the same network in 2011, which lasted for days, cost the company $170 million.
On Monday, prominent media critic, Anita Sarkeesian, posted a video to YouTube that criticized the use of women as background decoration, particularly in violent and sexual ways.
Many of those who shared the post received threats and harassment. The following tweets were directed at game designer Tim Schafer on Tuesday and Wednesday.
@JonTronShow @TimOfLegend can you people just leave my games alone? No women gave a feth about gaming pre 2005 can you feth off please???
— Kamal Noor (@KNoor1997) August 26, 2014
The response directed at Sarkeesian was louder, more aggressive and more dangerous.
Death and rape threats forced Sarkeesian to leave her home for safety. These threats are merely a cross section of the cruel and frightening harassment Sarkeesian has faced in her career.
Yesterday, a SWAT team threw a young man to the ground at gunpoint on a livestream, playing into a plan of online griefers who called 911 with a false report of an active shooter. The Littleton Public School District locked down a number of schools in reaction to the same threat.
Good, positive and kind action happened this week, too. Progress, while not always as loud as repression, is being made in games culture.
Two days ago, GaymerX rebranded as GX: Everyone Games. Its Kickstarter has raised $46,085 at the time of publication for an inclusive video game convention. Sarkeesian's critical videos have helped many developers to reassess how they create games and what they include in them.
And creators outside video games also showed their support for Sarkeesian's work.
This week, it should be clear to this community that games are at a cultural turning point. No longer are games designed, marketed and sold to a niche group of young men. Games are now ubiquitous, their ability to provide a safe space for experimentation and empathic experiences serves a population that, in a time as economically and politically bleak as this one, need them desperately. More games are being created by more people for more people than ever before.
Two groups are at opposite ends of this moment:
One side has folded its arms, slumped its shoulders while pouting like an obstinate child that has learned they are getting a little brother or sister but wants to remain the singular focus of his parents' affection.
The other side has opened its arms, unable to contain its love and compassion, because they understand they are no longer alone.
This week, the obstinate child threw a temper tantrum, and the industry was stuck in the metaphorical grocery store as everyone was forced to suffer through it together. But unlike a child, the people behind these temper tantrums are hurting others. It's time to grow up. Let's not wait until next week to start. The views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of, and should not be attributed to, Polygon as an organization.
I am not rooting for either side, both sides have been.
Well.... Not very mannered.
Daniel Floyd @EC_DanielFloyd · Aug 26 Anger and insults are the worst possible way to make someone see a different perspective.
Basically my entire thoughts on the matter.
I am disappointed in the 'social justice crusaders' and those who throw back insults.
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2014/09/02 13:20:00
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Asherian Command wrote: Because he is one of the voices that Game Designers and Developers listen to more than the gaming community. And like it or not but he has more sway over video games than you know. Lets say he gave a game a 1 out of 5. A terrible score. Another reviewer would hear from Sessler how bad this game is and give it a similar score and so on and so forth. Now lets just for the purposes of this argument say that game wasn't actually that bad, and was actually quite good. And they mostly put it down because it lacked multiplayer and extra content that most games are expected to have. Would that game necessarily be that bad?
But would that actually really have a significant effect on the sale of this game? I mean, just release a goddamn demo, people will be able to try it and gauge it themselves, bang, you just shortcut through the journalist. That and mouth-to-hear and Steam promotions and stuff like the awesome Humble Indie Bundle and…
Asherian Command wrote: Remember jack thompson? You know the guy that thought video games were the incarnation of the devil or something like that.
No, but whatever. Was he more successful that the people shouting how D&D is satanism? Because those sure as hell, and quite predictably, have lost. Big time.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/02 13:23:08
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Obviously the people shouting in those twitter msgs have some sway if they can get almost all the gaming 'news' sites to pretty much cry out that the gamer is dead/toxic in roughly the same time frame.
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2014/09/02 13:24:13
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Asherian Command wrote: Because he is one of the voices that Game Designers and Developers listen to more than the gaming community. And like it or not but he has more sway over video games than you know. Lets say he gave a game a 1 out of 5. A terrible score. Another reviewer would hear from Sessler how bad this game is and give it a similar score and so on and so forth. Now lets just for the purposes of this argument say that game wasn't actually that bad, and was actually quite good. And they mostly put it down because it lacked multiplayer and extra content that most games are expected to have. Would that game necessarily be that bad?
But would that actually really have a significant effect on the sale of this game? I mean, just release a goddamn demo, people will be able to try it and gauge it themselves, bang, you just shortcut through the journalist. That and mouth-to-hear and Steam promotions and stuff like the awesome Humble Indie Bundle and…
Asherian Command wrote: Remember jack thompson? You know the guy that thought video games were the incarnation of the devil or something like that.
No, but whatever. Was he more successful that the people shouting how D&D is satanism? Because those sure as hell, and quite predictably, have lost. Big time.
Well, the problem is that he does hold sway. He holds a lot of power. There are games like that, I mean I can blame IGN all I want but sales for games have been affected because of the rating they recieved. And a lot of gamers are affected by the scores of a game.
I mean demos do not show what a game could be like. I mean I played the demo of diablo 3. Guess what. It was nothing like the final product. Spec Ops: The Line, samething, the demo was just a demo. A show reel. You can't properly gauge a game by how a demo plays, because that demo might be completely wrong. Its usually constructed for looks and to show off the best parts of the game.
Jack thompson almost brought the downfall of the video games industry. Until the industry stood up for itself.
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2014/09/02 13:32:36
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Asherian Command wrote: There are games like that, I mean I can blame IGN all I want but sales for games have been affected because of the rating they recieved. And a lot of gamers are affected by the scores of a game.
Well, then he does have a bit of influence. Still blown out of proportion, imo.
Asherian Command wrote: Jack thompson almost brought the downfall of the video games industry. Until the industry stood up for itself.
So, he predictably and inevitably failed. Also, I feel like mentioning that I really doubt he had the slightest influence outside of the U.S.A., so one less reason to care about him .
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, I regularly read this:
http://www.cad-comic.com/ Which indirectly gives me a lot of information and review on games, but they have not been in any way involve in this whole controversy, right?
I also read that:
http://www.awkwardzombie.com , but no matter how I like it, it is not big enough to influence the sales of any game, I am afraid.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/02 13:40:42
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Asherian Command wrote: There are games like that, I mean I can blame IGN all I want but sales for games have been affected because of the rating they recieved. And a lot of gamers are affected by the scores of a game.
Well, then he does have a bit of influence. Still blown out of proportion, imo.
Asherian Command wrote: Jack thompson almost brought the downfall of the video games industry. Until the industry stood up for itself.
So, he predictably and inevitably failed. Also, I feel like mentioning that I really doubt he had the slightest influence outside of the U.S.A., so one less reason to care about him .
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, I regularly read this:
http://www.cad-comic.com/ Which indirectly gives me a lot of information and review on games, but they have not been in any way involve in this whole controversy, right?
I also read that:
http://www.awkwardzombie.com , but no matter how I like it, it is not big enough to influence the sales of any game, I am afraid.
Well. Certain people are swayed by the score of a game. I mean I usually don't watch a movie that I've heard sucks.
The same thing for gaming I am afraid.
Except, I play both good and bad games.
People are swayed by scores, because people are herded in like animals sometimes.
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2014/09/02 13:41:32
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Jack Thompson almost brought the downfall of the video games industry.
No. Just no. Jack was a joke from day 1. The only downfall Jack Thompson caused, is Jack Thompson's. Seriously, he doesn't even qualify as a moral guardian. He was too crazy even for them.
We're been through this before. First it was movies (still there btw), then it was rock and roll (still there), television (still there), hip hop (still there), so on and so forth. Nothings ending. Might they result in game makes being a little more self conscious of what they make? Yeah probably. Boo hoo. Like a little less boob plate in games is going to ruin anything.
Just because some idiots are spewing crap like the "end of gramers" doesn't mean you should spew back "end of games industry." Both positions are completely loony. A multi-billion dollar industry, and an identity subscribed to by millions, don't just vanish because someone called them insensitive.
People are swayed by scores, because people are herded in like animals sometimes.
And you don't think that's maybe just a tiny bit their own fault? Game reviews have taken crap for years (literally, its been nearly a decade) for being bought and paid for. It wasn't a secret. It wasn't even hidden in some corner of the internet. It was out there in public sight for a long time and no one paid attention because "nah, Adam Sessler would never do that!" It's like politics. Everyone thinks everyone elses congressmen is the problem but their congressman is just fine.
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Jack Thompson almost brought the downfall of the video games industry.
No. Just no. Jack was a joke from day 1. The only downfall Jack Thompson caused, is Jack Thompson's. Seriously, he doesn't even qualify as a moral guardian. He was too crazy even for them.
We're been through this before. First it was movies (still there btw), then it was rock and roll (still there), television (still there), hip hop (still there), so on and so forth. Nothings ending. Might they result in game makes being a little more self conscious of what they make? Yeah probably. Boo hoo. Like a little less boob plate in games is going to ruin anything.
Just because some idiots are spewing crap like the "end of gramers" doesn't mean you should spew back "end of games industry." Both positions are completely loony.
People are swayed by scores, because people are herded in like animals sometimes.
And you don't think that's maybe just a tiny bit their own fault? Game reviews have taken crap for years (literally, its been nearly a decade) for being bought and paid for. It wasn't a secret. It wasn't even hidden in some corner of the internet. It was out there in public sight for a long time and no one paid attention because "nah, Adam Sessler would never do that!" It's like politics. Everyone things everyone elses congressmen is the problem but their congressman is just fine.
Nah. I knew Adam Sessler was bought and paid for. Just his comments on the matter kind of disappointed me.
I am not at all disturbed by game reviews being bought and paid for. I mean they are journalists they need to get their money somewhere.
I am more disturbed by the attacks from both sides. Both sides outcrying the minority and grouping the entire gaming collective. That is what I do not like.
Also On Jack Thompson, I was talking about the very beginning almost did topple the castle. Until you know everyone found out he was crazy. And his supporters left that faster than a live grenade.
Might they result in game makes being a little more self conscious of what they make? Yeah probably. Boo hoo. Like a little less boob plate in games is going to ruin anything.
Are we in agreement? I mean it might ruin teenagers access to certain things and their fantasies of scantly clad women. But I really stopped caring about the teenage population mostly because we are in this mess because of them.
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2014/09/02 13:54:25
Subject: Re:Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Also on further investigation of that gamersnosh website. It's pretty excellent, I am giving them my traffic for the foreseeable future for industry news.
I wonder what is wrong with the escapist...
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2014/09/02 13:55:27
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Also On Jack Thompson, I was talking about the very beginning almost did topple the castle. Until you know everyone found out he was crazy. And his supporters left that faster than a live grenade.
No he didn't. His attempts to take games to court were doomed to failure simply on the grounds that none of them had legal standing (same reason the court kept throwing all of them out until they got tired of it and threw him out of the BAR). Just because a bunch of loons gather around another loon saying they're going to do something doesn't mean it'll actually happen or that they'll ever be close to making it happen.
EDIT: Hell if anything, getting thrown out of the BAR just shows how crazy Thompson was. There are people who commit crimes and don't get thrown out of the BAR.
Are we in agreement?
Maybe?
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Also On Jack Thompson, I was talking about the very beginning almost did topple the castle. Until you know everyone found out he was crazy. And his supporters left that faster than a live grenade.
No he didn't. His attempts to take games to court were doomed to failure simply on the grounds that none of them had legal standing (same reason the court kept throwing all of them out until they got tired of it and threw him out of the BAR). Just because a bunch of loons gather around another loon saying they're going to do something doesn't mean it'll actually happen or that they'll ever be close to making it happen.
EDIT: Hell if anything, getting thrown out of the BAR just shows how crazy Thompson was. There are people who commit crimes and don't get thrown out of the BAR.
Are we in agreement?
Maybe?
I remember incorrectly then. I forget who it was. Was it arnold or that one senator that wanted to ban games then.
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2014/09/02 14:19:57
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
This should clear things up for anyone still wondering what's going on. Sorry about the format - personally I hate those sites that make lists of 10 whatevers but put each item on a separate page. I'm sure they to it to inflate page views, but whatever, go through each of them, it's informative and cuts out the bull gak.
The best part is, of course, this little bit:
One person condemning gamers was the not-so-relevant Phil Fish, an indie developer who tweeted “Nuke all gamers”. Real mature.
See? I told ya Phil Fish was the least important part of anything he's involved in, even when he's the subject of the sentence in question!
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2014/09/02 14:52:41
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
H.B.M.C. wrote: This should clear things up for anyone still wondering what's going on. Sorry about the format - personally I hate those sites that make lists of 10 whatevers but put each item on a separate page. I'm sure they to it to inflate page views, but whatever, go through each of them, it's informative and cuts out the bull gak.
Still an incredibly trivial thing to get all upset about, you know. This whole thing is only marginally more relevant than Phil Fish. And that is saying something, is it not?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/02 15:00:27
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
no one cares about one individual person. What people are upset about is the implicit corruption that's perceived in the indie and gaming blogger industry and how blatant crony-ism seems to be within it.
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2014/09/02 15:04:10
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
But that corruption seems to be quite small in scope. Can you give me a list of the companies involved? Is there one? Two? Have they made any game I heard about before this was blown out of proportion?
Also “blogger industry” made me cringe. What the hell? Blogger industry?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2014/09/02 15:08:59
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: But that corruption seems to be quite small in scope. Can you give me a list of the companies involved? Is there one? Two? Have they made any game I heard about before this was blown out of proportion?
Also “blogger industry” made me cringe. What the hell? Blogger industry?
Blogger Community may be what he meant.
Though there is money to be made in blogging, through ad revenue on high traffic blogs, sponsors and commissioned blog posts/guest posts, so it can be considered an industry.
Just like there's an Industry, or market, for painting and sculpting commissions.
2014/09/02 15:09:56
Subject: Zoe Quinn and the five guys; corruption in video game journalism
If you don't know anything about the topic at hand, the it's probably best not to make declarative statements when you don't know all (or any of) the facts. It would be better for you to just leave. Unless you wish to get educated that is, in which case stay in the thread and ask as many questions as you can.
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