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 Slarg232 wrote:
Who is Jenni Goodchild?

I don't know, but boy does she have a strong opinion.

 Asherian Command wrote:

And with that, I'm afraid, I'm out. If you want better ethics, be more ethical yourselves. I'm sure you won't miss me, so bye! <3 #GamerGate

Well yeah, basically the statement reads as "I don't know what ethics are or why they should apply to me"

 LordofHats wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

And with that, I'm afraid, I'm out. If you want better ethics, be more ethical yourselves. I'm sure you won't miss me, so bye! <3 #GamerGate

Well yeah, basically the statement reads as "I don't know what ethics are or why they should apply to me"

Welcome to the industry. That basically applies to everyone I know.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Who is Jenni Goodchild?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS601US601&ion=1&espv=&ie=UTF-8&q=jenni%20goodchild

I believe an asexual game dev.

Gold Star Oppression Olympic competitor

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Who is Jenni Goodchild?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS601US601&ion=1&espv=&ie=UTF-8&q=jenni%20goodchild

I believe an asexual game dev.

Gold Star Oppression Olympic competitor

Academia organiser @London_Geekfest (7-9 August 2015), theology student, sometimes-writer at @Indie_Haven.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
and the one that's been suspended for The Escapist now that the Publisher's gotten involved.

Link?

 Asherian Command wrote:

 CorporateLogo wrote:
https://storify.com/dfearghaill/adblock-and-corruption

Thats just sad.

And with that, I'm afraid, I'm out. If you want better ethics, be more ethical yourselves. I'm sure you won't miss me, so bye! <3 #GamerGate

Thats even worse.

@PixieJenni
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Actual last point for now? You know why lazy clickbait is a thing, people? 'Cos people like you fething share it. #GamerGate

How to hit the lowest point. Is by attacking your customers. Daawwww. Someone didn't take a business class.

They're not customers though. That's her point. People that browse these websites with Adblock on aren't customers, they're readers. And they have no leg to stand on if they go 'you need to change stuff' because they're not paying in the first place. They have no contributing effect on how much she gets paid, so why should she pander to them?

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Who is Jenni Goodchild?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS601US601&ion=1&espv=&ie=UTF-8&q=jenni%20goodchild

I believe an asexual game dev.

Gold Star Oppression Olympic competitor

Academia organiser @London_Geekfest (7-9 August 2015), theology student, sometimes-writer at @Indie_Haven.

Meh, I'd heard of her through a story about asexual relationships, but that was years ago. Meh, what games has she made, if any?

 Slarg232 wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Who is Jenni Goodchild?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS601US601&ion=1&espv=&ie=UTF-8&q=jenni%20goodchild

I believe an asexual game dev.

Gold Star Oppression Olympic competitor

Academia organiser @London_Geekfest (7-9 August 2015), theology student, sometimes-writer at @Indie_Haven.

Meh, I'd heard of her through a story about asexual relationships, but that was years ago. Meh, what games has she made, if any?

She's a writer not a game dev.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Who is Jenni Goodchild?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS601US601&ion=1&espv=&ie=UTF-8&q=jenni%20goodchild

I believe an asexual game dev.

Gold Star Oppression Olympic competitor

seriously? Someone describes her as an asexual game Dev as if they're the only relevant descriptors about her, and so she's an oppression Olympics competitor? You know why people say that gamers are intolerant? It's because someone says that a writer is asexual, and your response was 'wah wah wah poor crybaby' as if a) she made the comment and b) she was fething complaining about asexuality.

 Goliath wrote:

They have no contributing effect on how much she gets paid, so why should she pander to them?

I'm not sure ethical journalism is pandering but if they want to pander to those who pay the bills (those being the advertisers it seems) maybe they should present themselves as freelance pr agents and not journalists.

 Goliath wrote:
They're not customers though. That's her point. People that browse these websites with Adblock on aren't customers, they're readers. And they have no leg to stand on if they go 'you need to change stuff' because they're not paying in the first place. They have no contributing effect on how much she gets paid, so why should she pander to them?

Because, once again, she is not singling out the people that already did that, she is attacking everyone even those that just took on AdBlock and using archive sites to read the stories as a form of protest.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Who is Jenni Goodchild?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS601US601&ion=1&espv=&ie=UTF-8&q=jenni%20goodchild

I believe an asexual game dev.

Gold Star Oppression Olympic competitor

Academia organiser @London_Geekfest (7-9 August 2015), theology student, sometimes-writer at @Indie_Haven.

Meh, I'd heard of her through a story about asexual relationships, but that was years ago. Meh, what games has she made, if any?

She's a writer not a game dev.

Fair enough.

Methinks the gaming community should start it's own blacklist by blocking and ignoring all developers, journalists glorified bloggers and websites who post abusive messages, hate mail and act like trolls themselves...I'm certainly not interested in anything the likes of Phil phish, zoe quinn or kotaku have to say.

Except by lowering ourselves to what they are doing, we become no better than them.

Let them not pay attention to our voice, but don't stop hoping for the dust to settle in a good way.

 Goliath wrote:


seriously? Someone describes her as an asexual game Dev as if they're the only relevant descriptors about her, and so she's an oppression Olympics competitor? You know why people say that gamers are intolerant? It's because someone says that a writer is asexual, and your response was 'wah wah wah poor crybaby' as if a) she made the comment and b) she was fething complaining about asexuality.

Oh here we go. Pick one thing and run with it. Typical.

Go through her twitter and blogs. Its (unknowingly) a contest for her to be the most oppressed.

And she isn't a Dev, she's a writer. Research.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/the-death-of-the-gamers-and-the-women-who-killed-them/
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/fbi-offers-help-to-game-developers-suffering-harassment-death-threats/

 Goliath wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Who is Jenni Goodchild?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS601US601&ion=1&espv=&ie=UTF-8&q=jenni%20goodchild

I believe an asexual game dev.

Gold Star Oppression Olympic competitor

seriously? Someone describes her as an asexual game Dev as if they're the only relevant descriptors about her, and so she's an oppression Olympics competitor? You know why people say that gamers are intolerant? It's because someone says that a writer is asexual, and your response was 'wah wah wah poor crybaby' as if a) she made the comment and b) she was fething complaining about asexuality.

I personally don't give a flying feth about her sexuality, all I know is she seems to be a douche.

What does asexual even mean anyway?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
What does asexual even mean anyway?

Doesn't have sexual attraction to men or women.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
Who is Jenni Goodchild?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS601US601&ion=1&espv=&ie=UTF-8&q=jenni%20goodchild

I believe an asexual game dev.

Gold Star Oppression Olympic competitor

seriously? Someone describes her as an asexual game Dev as if they're the only relevant descriptors about her, and so she's an oppression Olympics competitor? You know why people say that gamers are intolerant? It's because someone says that a writer is asexual, and your response was 'wah wah wah poor crybaby' as if a) she made the comment and b) she was fething complaining about asexuality.

I personally don't give a flying feth about her sexuality, all I know is she seems to be a douche.

What does asexual even mean anyway?

I am asexual as well. It means we have no sexual attraction to people. Meaning we don't really care.


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 CorporateLogo wrote:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/08/the-death-of-the-gamers-and-the-women-who-killed-them/
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/fbi-offers-help-to-game-developers-suffering-harassment-death-threats/

Yeah those things I've seen are kind of interesting.

It's funny seeing all these people talking about research when this IGF stuff was already talked about at length by Rock Paper Shotgun:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/07/the-competition-the-story-behind-the-igfs-critics/

 CorporateLogo wrote:
It's funny seeing all these people talking about research when this IGF stuff was already talked about at length by Rock Paper Shotgun:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/07/the-competition-the-story-behind-the-igfs-critics/

It was more of the fact we didn't really know what to think at the time. We didn't connect the dots till much later. That usually happens in these cases.

 Goliath wrote:

They're not customers though. That's her point. People that browse these websites with Adblock on aren't customers, they're readers. And they have no leg to stand on if they go 'you need to change stuff' because they're not paying in the first place. They have no contributing effect on how much she gets paid, so why should she pander to them?

Her "audience" aren't actually her customers either. The advertising service is.

Which is the underlying issue with the ad supported internet business model and why it's going to implode upon itself very soon.

- Internet was basically ad free.
- Writers needed to make money to afford to keep creating content. Ads came about.
- Consumers begrudgingly put up with it.
- Ads expanded in depth and technology, until you have pages that are more banner ads than content and they make noise and oscillate at seizure inducing rates.
- Consumers rebel. Site loses viewership and the only people willing to cope with ads are those who have a means to block them.
- Internet reverses stance on ads (mostly due to google making adsense readily available. Consumers still burned.
- Internet starts putting 1/4 the content on a page at a time to farm clicks to make up for all the consumers who won't be seeing the ads.

There's many technical reasons why ad supported sites are terrible too, but that's beyond the scope of the discussion, I think. What NEEDS to happen is that places need to revive the subscription model. They release just enough content out there for free to make sure that people know that they're worth their salt, and then charge something trivial for full access. I don't know, whatever their yearly profit would have been per user from adsense or whatever ad providing mechanism the site uses would probably be appropriate, and not a very large amount. I'd paypal the places I visit frequently if it meant not needing to stare at ads there anymore.

 Goliath wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 CorporateLogo wrote:
https://storify.com/dfearghaill/adblock-and-corruption

Thats just sad.

And with that, I'm afraid, I'm out. If you want better ethics, be more ethical yourselves. I'm sure you won't miss me, so bye! <3 #GamerGate

Thats even worse.

@PixieJenni
Follow
Actual last point for now? You know why lazy clickbait is a thing, people? 'Cos people like you fething share it. #GamerGate

How to hit the lowest point. Is by attacking your customers. Daawwww. Someone didn't take a business class.

They're not customers though. That's her point. People that browse these websites with Adblock on aren't customers, they're readers. And they have no leg to stand on if they go 'you need to change stuff' because they're not paying in the first place. They have no contributing effect on how much she gets paid, so why should she pander to them?

She didn't say that. I think more people use adblock because its all over the place. Ads are everywhere and sometimes obstruct the entire article. Sometimes they play on the side and everything.

No one wants to get annoyed by it.

She is just proving she doesn't know that much.


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 daedalus wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

They're not customers though. That's her point. People that browse these websites with Adblock on aren't customers, they're readers. And they have no leg to stand on if they go 'you need to change stuff' because they're not paying in the first place. They have no contributing effect on how much she gets paid, so why should she pander to them?

Her "audience" aren't actually her customers either. The advertising service is.

Which is the underlying issue with the ad supported internet business model and why it's going to implode upon itself very soon.

- Internet was basically ad free.
- Writers needed to make money to afford to keep creating content. Ads came about.
- Consumers begrudgingly put up with it.
- Ads expanded in depth and technology, until you have pages that are more banner ads than content and they make noise and oscillate at seizure inducing rates.
- Consumers rebel. Site loses viewership and the only people willing to cope with ads are those who have a means to block them.
- Internet reverses stance on ads (mostly due to google making adsense readily available. Consumers still burned.
- Internet starts putting 1/4 the content on a page at a time to farm clicks to make up for all the consumers who won't be seeing the ads.

There's many technical reasons why ad supported sites are terrible too, but that's beyond the scope of the discussion, I think. What NEEDS to happen is that places need to revive the subscription model. They release just enough content out there for free to make sure that people know that they're worth their salt, and then charge something trivial for full access. I don't know, whatever their yearly profit would have been per user from adsense or whatever ad providing mechanism the site uses would probably be appropriate, and not a very large amount. I'd paypal the places I visit frequently if it meant not needing to stare at ads there anymore.

I mean subscriptions aren't even that bad to begin with XD

Oh hey..... Look at all the people on Jenni Goodchilds follow twitter list.

Robin Arnott (one of the 5 guys)
Feminist Frequency (Anita Sarkeesian)
Jim Sterling

Numerous connections to Kotaku, RPS, and polygon, not to mention dozens upon dozens of SJWs. Dozens of game devs, dozens of other journalists. Not wonder there is collusion.

EDIT:
Moviebob
Jenn frank
Leigh Alexander

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Oh hey..... Look at all the people on Jenni Goodchilds follow twitter list.

Robin Arnott (one of the 5 guys)
Feminist Frequency (Anita Sarkeesian)
Jim Sterling

Numerous connections to Kotaku, RPS, and polygon, not to mention dozens upon dozens of SJWs. Dozens of game devs, dozens of other journalists. Not wonder there is collusion.

Of interest? Agreed.

This is how you be a good journalist...

You remove yourself from the equation....

And criticize both sides.

You know, I wonder what Richard Garriott would have to say about this.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Oh hey..... Look at all the people on Jenni Goodchilds follow twitter list.

Robin Arnott (one of the 5 guys)
Feminist Frequency (Anita Sarkeesian)
Jim Sterling

Numerous connections to Kotaku, RPS, and polygon, not to mention dozens upon dozens of SJWs. Dozens of game devs, dozens of other journalists. Not wonder there is collusion.

Of interest? Agreed.

This is how you be a good journalist...

You remove yourself from the equation....

And criticize both sides.

It seems they are doing the opposite, building financial ties with people they are writing on, then complaining and lashing out and dehumanizing the people that pay their bills. Im sending letters to their advertisers. Let 'em burn.

Im going through this Journalists and they really have insulated themselves from negative opinion by surrounding themselves with nothing but people that will agree with them.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Reminder that everyone should participate in Operation Disrespectful Nod. https://github.com/GamerGateOP/GamerGateOP/blob/master/Operation%20Disrespectful%20Nod/README.md

Okay, please, explain to me… What the bloody hell is that gif at the bottom?

Ugh, yeah...I'm wondering that too...

I find myself weirdly unable to look away...

Disturbing.
Unexpected reactions on all counts.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Mechanical Crow wrote:
Oh hey..... Look at all the people on Jenni Goodchilds follow twitter list.

Robin Arnott (one of the 5 guys)
Feminist Frequency (Anita Sarkeesian)
Jim Sterling

Numerous connections to Kotaku, RPS, and polygon, not to mention dozens upon dozens of SJWs. Dozens of game devs, dozens of other journalists. Not wonder there is collusion.

Of interest? Agreed.

This is how you be a good journalist...

You remove yourself from the equation....

And criticize both sides.

It seems they are doing the opposite, building financial ties with people they are writing on, then complaining and lashing out and dehumanizing the people that pay their bills. Im sending letters to their advertisers. Let 'em burn.

The fire rises indeed.

And they are probably going to be caught by the fire.


Though I would like to see them get hurt for this, I mean just their careers because they show how unprofessional they are.