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So I discovered this awfulness while my wife was watching inside edition, and as is want with anything regarding overweight women, the commentator called them curvy.

Here's a link to an article about it: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/fatkini-trend-inspiring-empowering-curvy-4070813

I have to say that I think it's unsightly and, worse, unhealthy. I'm all for women being comfortable with themselves, but I don't think we should be celebrating morbid obesity.

Am I just an donkey-cave?

Thoughts?

 cincydooley wrote:
but I don't think we should be celebrating morbid obesity.

And we wouldn't need to if we didn't make such a big deal out of shaming people for being fat. This is less of a celebration and more of a statement of "we exist, and stop treating us badly". Think of it in the same context as gay pride parades, which wouldn't be nearly as important to anyone if gay people hadn't suffered for so long before finally starting to get some fair treatment.

I believe that we shouldn't be promoting shaming people who are overweight/obese...however I think promoting being "proud" of your unhealthy lifestyle is just as bad. So no, I don't think you're being a donkey-cave at all.

I rather prefer a few extra pounds on a woman. I wouldn't glorify being over weight mind you, but I don't think it's a horrible thing either.

Good for them. But i wouldn't tap that.

Working at a water park I can tell you. These women are nothing compared to many people

 cincydooley wrote:
So I discovered this awfulness while my wife was watching inside edition, and as is want with anything regarding overweight women, the commentator called them curvy.

Here's a link to an article about it: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/fatkini-trend-inspiring-empowering-curvy-4070813

I have to say that I think it's unsightly and, worse, unhealthy. I'm all for women being comfortable with themselves, but I don't think we should be celebrating morbid obesity.

Am I just an donkey-cave?

Yes, with a side of concern trolling. You don't actually give a gak about these women's health, you're main concern is they are, as you put it primarily, unsightly. So yeah, as you asked, you're an donkey-cave.

 Peregrine wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
but I don't think we should be celebrating morbid obesity.

And we wouldn't need to if we didn't make such a big deal out of shaming people for being fat. This is less of a celebration and more of a statement of "we exist, and stop treating us badly". Think of it in the same context as gay pride parades, which wouldn't be nearly as important to anyone if gay people hadn't suffered for so long before finally starting to get some fair treatment.

Meanwhile shaming people for the following is acceptable:

Smoking
Drinking
Not drinking
Eating healthy
Working out
Being attractive
Being a virgin
Being religious

There is a tremendous difference between being "chubby", being "fat", or being morbidly obese. Some people are going to naturally gravitate towards being chubby. There is no excuse for being fat and you have to actually work at it to achieve being morbidly obese. The fat acceptance movement has exploded these last couple of years and it an absolutely terrible thing. Not only are you destroying your body, you are uncomfortable to be around, you require accommodations just to function in a normal environment, and with the advent of public health care you are punishing everyone else for you being dangerously overweight.

Losing weight is not excessively difficult, doesn't even require exercise, and isn't as expense as is claimed.

I will grant them this much, most of obesity is a product of the FDA flat out lying to people, doctors having zero knowledge of nutrition and giving terrible advice, the entire bodybuilding industry flat out lying to people, and an addiction to sugary foods and/or simple carbohydrates courtesy of a poor terrible childhood diet. You can't really blame someone for being ignorant when the majority of the population is as well, but celebrating that ignorance goes too far.


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 Ouze wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
So I discovered this awfulness while my wife was watching inside edition, and as is want with anything regarding overweight women, the commentator called them curvy.

Here's a link to an article about it: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/fatkini-trend-inspiring-empowering-curvy-4070813

I have to say that I think it's unsightly and, worse, unhealthy. I'm all for women being comfortable with themselves, but I don't think we should be celebrating morbid obesity.

Am I just an donkey-cave?

Yes, with a side of concern trolling. You don't actually give a gak about these women's health, you're main concern is they are, as you put it primarily, unsightly. So yeah, as you asked, you're an donkey-cave.

How can it being unsightly be his main concern when he just said that even worse, it's unhealthy?

Because of the order of the words in his sentence, which is how English speaking humans convey importance? That it was unhealthy was an addendum.

 Ouze wrote:
Because of the order of the words in his sentence, which is how English speaking humans convey importance? That it was unhealthy was an addendum.

So you can read minds now?

No, I can read words, in English, as they are written. It's a swell skill.

 Ouze wrote:
No, I can read words, in English, as they are written. It's a swell skill.

You're not witty and why are you so politically correct? It is unhealthy. Cut it out with the kumbaya crap.

I never said it was healthy, so why are you pretending I did?

The question was, "Am I an donkey-cave". The main thrust was fat people were unsightly, and also unhealthy, so... whatever. Either his chief concern is they are unsightly, which since that was the first word he used, a fair conclusion, or is 50% of his concern, which again is his offense at fat people being fat and visible in public. Judging people solely by their physical appearance is kind of an donkey-cave thing to do, and since this was the only venue provided in which Cincy wished to be judged, and it was pass-fail, I graded it "donkey-cave".

There you go with your implications again.

There should not be a two piece I would look better in than the models.

 Ouze wrote:
I never said it was healthy, so why are you pretending I did?

The question was, "Am I an donkey-cave". The main thrust was fat people were unsightly, and also unhealthy, so... whatever. Either his chief concern is they are unsightly, which since that was the first word he used, a fair conclusion, or is 50% of his concern, which again is his offense at fat people being fat and visible in public. Judging people solely by their physical appearance is kind of an donkey-cave thing to do, and since this was the only venue provided in which Cincy wished to be judged, and it was pass-fail, I graded it "donkey-cave".

And now you're implying he's doing that when all he said was that it was unsightly.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I never said it was healthy, so why are you pretending I did?

The question was, "Am I an donkey-cave". The main thrust was fat people were unsightly, and also unhealthy, so... whatever. Either his chief concern is they are unsightly, which since that was the first word he used, a fair conclusion, or is 50% of his concern, which again is his offense at fat people being fat and visible in public. Judging people solely by their physical appearance is kind of an donkey-cave thing to do, and since this was the only venue provided in which Cincy wished to be judged, and it was pass-fail, I graded it "donkey-cave".

And now you're implying he's doing that when all he said was that it was unsightly.

Would you consider calling someone "unsightly" to not be a judgement of their appearance or a favorable one?

I mean seriously bro, do you even english? Words mean things. Let me help you. Now tell me he didn't actually make a judgement about someone's appearance with a straight face, and/or that people who judge people solely on their physical appearance aren't donkey-caves. I mean, they're both pretty awful arguments, but why break that chain this far in?

This is going places fast. And by places I mean towards a lock. Keep the bickering down, it's only page 1 after all.

Making an observation concerning someone's physical appearance equates to a judgment of them as person how?

He didn't say I don't like fat people or fat people are "insert something negative here." All he said was that it is unsightly.
Edit: Please be trolling right now. You can't actually be this obtuse.

 Ouze wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I never said it was healthy, so why are you pretending I did?

The question was, "Am I an donkey-cave". The main thrust was fat people were unsightly, and also unhealthy, so... whatever. Either his chief concern is they are unsightly, which since that was the first word he used, a fair conclusion, or is 50% of his concern, which again is his offense at fat people being fat and visible in public. Judging people solely by their physical appearance is kind of an donkey-cave thing to do, and since this was the only venue provided in which Cincy wished to be judged, and it was pass-fail, I graded it "donkey-cave".

And now you're implying he's doing that when all he said was that it was unsightly.

Would you consider calling someone "unsightly" to not be a judgement of their appearance or a favorable one?

I mean seriously bro, do you even english? Words mean things.

Whats wrong with calling someone unsightly?

I think goths and emos are unsightly.

I think the biker gangs that go round are unsightly to see.

Some houses lawns are unsightly.

Some peoples 40k armies are unsightly.

Unsightly isnt that bad of thing. Its not really judging someone. If he said they where unsightly because they where lazy, then that would be judging someone based on their appearance. He simply has an opinion on their appearance, which is called, judging their appearance. Not judging THEM by their appearance.

There is some bathing wear that has a time and a place. On some women, who have left voluptuous behind, and crossed over into corpulent perhaps the bikini time has passed. Men will someday cross the same barrier for mowing the lawn shirtless- one day, it is a turn on that brings your wife out with lemonade and a come hither grin. The next, she is shaking her head and handing you a shirt and a beer. All glory is fleeting.

If you really want to be upset and horrified about something, google "asymmetric man thong" but for the love of all the gods and goddesses you hold dear don't do it at work, or around folks whose opinion of you matters.

 Swastakowey wrote:

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 Ouze wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I never said it was healthy, so why are you pretending I did?

The question was, "Am I an donkey-cave". The main thrust was fat people were unsightly, and also unhealthy, so... whatever. Either his chief concern is they are unsightly, which since that was the first word he used, a fair conclusion, or is 50% of his concern, which again is his offense at fat people being fat and visible in public. Judging people solely by their physical appearance is kind of an donkey-cave thing to do, and since this was the only venue provided in which Cincy wished to be judged, and it was pass-fail, I graded it "donkey-cave".

And now you're implying he's doing that when all he said was that it was unsightly.

Would you consider calling someone "unsightly" to not be a judgement of their appearance or a favorable one?

I mean seriously bro, do you even english? Words mean things.

Whats wrong with calling someone unsightly?

I think goths and emos are unsightly.

I think the biker gangs that go round are unsightly to see.

Some houses lawns are unsightly.

Some peoples 40k armies are unsightly.

Unsightly isnt that bad of thing. Its not really judging someone. If he said they where unsightly because they where lazy, then that would be judging someone based on their appearance. He simply has an opinion on their appearance, which is called, judging their appearance. Not judging THEM by their appearance.

What is wrong is that using the term "unsightly" is passing judgment. Look up the definition of unsightly and you get "unpleasant to look at; ugly" which is subjective. The person viewing is passing judgment of the object being viewed.

And are goths still a thing? I thought we died out sometime in 2002 thanks to those fething emo kids.

I'll clarify that the example it sets for overweight kids is my primary concern. Nothing makes me more sad and frustrated than morbidly obese kids, and I fear that "movements" like this only serve to exacerbate a very real and serious problem in the US.

Honestly, Ouze, you put a lot more thought into the order of my words than I did, because my emphasis was on the fact it is terribly, terribly unhealthy.

But I won't lie. I think it's gross to look at. I actually admire that they are either so self confident or just don't care that they're willing to wear them in public, because I'm certainly not. But I still don't want to see it.

Additionally, I think the camel toe producing high waisted shorts that are in style now are also gross.

 cincydooley wrote:
Additionally, I think the camel toe producing high waisted shorts that are in style now are also gross.

Totally agree. Those things need to go back to whatever dank pit of 1989 they crawled out of and stay there.

When you have 200-300 lbs people thinking they're a healthy weight, well, there IS a perception problem. I can't argue with that. I'm not saying they're lepers, and I'm not some beautiful skinny person myself, but there's a threshold there where it just goes too far.

 daedalus wrote:
When you have 200-300 lbs people thinking they're a healthy weight, well, there IS a perception problem. I can't argue with that. I'm not saying they're lepers, and I'm not some beautiful skinny person myself, but there's a threshold there where it just goes too far.

200 is an awfully low cut off. Yeah, for women that is more than likely to high unless they're incredibly tall, but that is easily a healthy weight for men over 5'10" or shorter depending on how much muscle they're carrying.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Swastakowey wrote:

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 Ouze wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I never said it was healthy, so why are you pretending I did?

The question was, "Am I an donkey-cave". The main thrust was fat people were unsightly, and also unhealthy, so... whatever. Either his chief concern is they are unsightly, which since that was the first word he used, a fair conclusion, or is 50% of his concern, which again is his offense at fat people being fat and visible in public. Judging people solely by their physical appearance is kind of an donkey-cave thing to do, and since this was the only venue provided in which Cincy wished to be judged, and it was pass-fail, I graded it "donkey-cave".

And now you're implying he's doing that when all he said was that it was unsightly.

Would you consider calling someone "unsightly" to not be a judgement of their appearance or a favorable one?

I mean seriously bro, do you even english? Words mean things.

Whats wrong with calling someone unsightly?

I think goths and emos are unsightly.

I think the biker gangs that go round are unsightly to see.

Some houses lawns are unsightly.

Some peoples 40k armies are unsightly.

Unsightly isnt that bad of thing. Its not really judging someone. If he said they where unsightly because they where lazy, then that would be judging someone based on their appearance. He simply has an opinion on their appearance, which is called, judging their appearance. Not judging THEM by their appearance.

What is wrong is that using the term "unsightly" is passing judgment. Look up the definition of unsightly and you get "unpleasant to look at; ugly" which is subjective. The person viewing is passing judgment of the object being viewed.

And are goths still a thing? I thought we died out sometime in 2002 thanks to those fething emo kids.

Whenever I catch a train to the city, I will see goths and emos smoking by the station blaring music on crappy speakers. Admittedly goths arent as common as emos, im just glad the goth mowhawk thing is almost gone. Those are unsightly for sure.

Ugly means many things as you said. I feel, in the context it was said, there wasnt anything wrong. He didnt attack or accuse the people in question, simply stated he found the appearance of certain trends as unsightly. I just called emos and goths unsightly but I do not think calling a look or a theme unsightly is a bad thing.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
When you have 200-300 lbs people thinking they're a healthy weight, well, there IS a perception problem. I can't argue with that. I'm not saying they're lepers, and I'm not some beautiful skinny person myself, but there's a threshold there where it just goes too far.

200 is an awfully low cut off. Yeah, for women that is more than likely to high unless they're incredibly tall, but that is easily a healthy weight for men over 5'10" or shorter depending on how much muscle they're carrying.

I was aiming that at a female weight. The most fit female I've ever known was maybe about 160 tops, and could pin me at 190 back when I was all muscle. I agree entirely for men though.

My neighbor mows his lawn with no top on, he's hugely overweight, is covered in dark bruises from his diabetes, varicose veins and stretch marks. He is not in good shape and under no illusions about his weight.

I don't want to have sex with him, he's a very nice bloke and I enjoy talking to him, but I don't begrudge him walking about in the sun, enjoying the weather and soaking up some vitamin D. Seeing him in a state of partial undress and not wanting to have sex with him does not ruin my day and does not strike me as unsightly, as he's got as much right as any other human being to wear what the feth he likes and enjoy the weather.

Just as the OP and anyone else in this thread still trapped in the 1950s also doesn't get to decide what someone else wears to the beach or to church, based on their own definition of what is and is not sexually attractive.

OP, you seem to have an idea that women in bikinis must match your criteria for them... but they don't. These people do not have to obey your definitions, get over yourself ffs. It's not about whether or not you like a girl with a few curves, because it isn't about what you like, because it isn't your life or decision. If you have a problem with being confronted by people you don't find sexually appealing, stay indoors (no, please, really stay the feth away from the rest of us mate, cos you'll roam the earth in a state of disgust and disappointment, bringing the rest of us down, stay inside and keep typing instead, so we can just the ignore button for you).

Jesus H, this is a wargaming forum. It's literally filled to capacity with people who are likely isolated within society for one reason or another, perhaps they aren't that pretty, perhaps they have a big nose or are too short or too tall, perhaps they are socially awkward types like the OP with his bizarre expectations of existing in a world with just people he's sexually attracted to.

I have literally spent the evening talking to someone who's very close to death and I sit down here and get to read this OP bleating on about disliking fat girls and be a base, mean and vile little person on a forum about toy soldiers. Get some real priorities in your life.

You know what's wrong with the world, it ain't fat chicks pal, it's poisonous little scrots with vaulted 'opinion' about how other people should look, how they should dress, how they should be just as I want, because my opinion matters, because I'm the special fething snowflake in the universe, my strong suggestion is you get the feth over it and start being nicer to people instead of lurking about spreading your toxic opinion on how everyone else lives. Yes you are being a 'donkey cave', change it.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Spoiler:

My neighbor mows his lawn with no top on, he's hugely overweight, is covered in dark bruises from his diabetes, varicose veins and stretch marks. He is not in good shape and under no illusions about his weight.

I don't want to have sex with him, he's a very nice bloke and I enjoy talking to him, but I don't begrudge him walking about in the sun, enjoying the weather and soaking up some vitamin D. Seeing him in a state of partial undress and not wanting to have sex with him does not ruin my day and does not strike me as unsightly, as he's got as much right as any other human being to wear what the feth he likes and enjoy the weather.

Just as the OP and anyone else in this thread still trapped in the 1950s also doesn't get to decide what someone else wears to the beach or to church, based on their own definition of what is and is not sexually attractive.

OP, you seem to have an idea that women in bikinis must match your criteria for them... but they don't. These people do not have to obey your definitions, get over yourself ffs. It's not about whether or not you like a girl with a few curves, because it isn't about what you like, because it isn't your life or decision. If you have a problem with being confronted by people you don't find sexually appealing, stay indoors (no, please, really stay the feth away from the rest of us mate, cos you'll roam the earth in a state of disgust and disappointment, bringing the rest of us down, stay inside and keep typing instead, so we can just the ignore button for you).

Jesus H, this is a wargaming forum. It's literally filled to capacity with people who are likely isolated within society for one reason or another, perhaps they aren't that pretty, perhaps they have a big nose or are too short or too tall, perhaps they are socially awkward types like the OP with his bizarre expectations of existing in a world with just people he's sexually attracted to.

I have literally spent the evening talking to someone who's very close to death and I sit down here and get to read this OP bleating on about disliking fat girls and be a base, mean and vile little person on a forum about toy soldiers. Get some real priorities in your life.

You know what's wrong with the world, it ain't fat chicks pal, it's poisonous little scrots with vaulted 'opinion' about how other people should look, how they should dress, how they should be just as I want, because my opinion matters, because I'm the special fething snowflake in the universe, my strong suggestion is you get the feth over it and start being nicer to people instead of lurking about spreading your toxic opinion on how everyone else lives. Yes you are being a 'donkey cave', change it.

Cincey's point and your post don't exist in different worlds, they exist in different dimensions of reality.

Edit: This is a pretty accurate description of your post.