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 Nevermind wrote:
Lee, great showing for the Greater Good! Congrats on fifth and best Tau!

Thanks. Lots of people were shocked "Real Tau" made it to bracket 1. I heard, "You made it to Bracket 1 with that?" Lol. One guy said, "A Tau list without any shennanigans..." After he read my list. Fun.

For the Greater Good.

Congrats! Very impressive!

Oh how things change, people already cheering tau for making it near the top after the last year?
Anyways zagman it was cool meeting you and congrats again for finishing so well. Also watching the battle of the 'mans' between zagman and krootman made me chuckle for some reason.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Oh how things change, people already cheering tau for making it near the top after the last year?
Anyways zagman it was cool meeting you and congrats again for finishing so well. Also watching the battle of the 'mans' between zagman and krootman made me chuckle for some reason.

Haha yeah, it was a battle of the Mans. Thing definitely have. Hanged. Tau started strong and were quickly overshadowed by Eldar, then quickly got shifted to a solid Ally choice for Eldar and SM and weaker primary. Then with the OVesaStar Tau had a dominent build.... Now with the edition changes, no ICs with MCs and the loss of Psychic support and Battle brothers they are mostly relegated to the FBSC which still is ludicrisously good.

you can still attach ovesa to tau crisis signature unit correct.. anyway great job at nova!

I think it is less about the Tau being on top and more about a non-netlist doing well.

Looking forward to these reports

 Zagman wrote:

 Nevermind wrote:
Lee, great showing for the Greater Good! Congrats on fifth and best Tau!

Thanks. Lots of people were shocked "Real Tau" made it to bracket 1. I heard, "You made it to Bracket 1 with that?" Lol. One guy said, "A Tau list without any shennanigans..." After he read my list. Fun.

For the Greater Good.

This is why I'm so excited to hear you thoughts and changes? on the list you ran. Also for your coming batreps and thought process of how to beat the army across the tables. Great job man!

P.S. What's FBSC mean?

Fire base support cadre I believe.

They really needed Tank Hunter.

The FBSC is good, but actually would have struggled at NOVA due to:

-The massive central LOS blockers.

-They lack mobility and therefore, in such an objective dominant mission packet, struggle.

-NOVA was heavy on Hammer and Anvil and Vanguard; which are not ideal deployment formats for the formation.

-It's best when you have some power over objective placement and can defend your home objectives and shoot people off middle ones; so when NOVA pre-places, that is yet another knock against it.

All in all, not that great.

Well done, Zag! Eldar are a hard nut to crack, but it's good to see Tau still show some teeth and use them.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Well done, Zag! Eldar are a hard nut to crack, but it's good to see Tau still show some teeth and use them.

Actually, I matched up extremely well against Eldar and they were two of my easier games all Tournament..

 Zagman wrote:
Actually, I matched up extremely well against Eldar and they were two of my easier games all Tournament..

 Zagman wrote:
Knights and Grinders weren't really an issue.

Really interested in why you feel knights aren't an issue. I'd love to hear your thoughts and how you deal with them.

Also I can deal with WS spam but have troubles with 2-3 WKs. Interested on hearing your thoughts on dealing with them as well with your list.

This is a perfect example on how sticking with the army you like through thick and thin pays out. Switching to whatever army is considered the "most competitive" every year, gives players no time to actually get good with any army. Your army may not be considered "top tier", but you'll have a distinct advantage of knowing how to utilize your army effectively regardless of the scenario. Well done mate!

Game 1 Complete.



And here are some of the random pictures I took of other people's armies.

Good report and pics, but I gotta say that game 1 was over before it started, her list just didnt stand a chance. : /

 Iechine wrote:
Good report and pics, but I gotta say that game 1 was over before it started, her list just didnt stand a chance. : /

Thanks, I forgot the lists at home, but it was 3xFlyrant, 2x Crone, Troop Tervigon, 2x Zoanthrope, Venomthrope, and lots of Gribblies. The list isn't terrible, probably would have been better as Skyblight, but that just isn't a good matchup against me either way. I have all of my opponent's lists, so I'll be able to post it up later. Not a terrible Tyranid build. It was designed to score and be difficult to kill. She had two terrible matchups in her first four games, me round one and a 5 Knight army in the KP scenario.

She also went on to win her bracket for what it's worth.

Chancetragedy wrote:
She also went on to win her bracket for what it's worth.

Yep, the list had good board control and was definitely well suited to the NOVA missions. Me round 1 and the 5 Kngiht army in a KP Scenario pretty much guarenteed her two losses in four.



Anyway, I'll add list information when I remember grab it. Game 2 is done.

Should get OP's list get first turn against Eldar he actually has quite high chance of tabling him.
I imagine Eldar being afraid of loosing War Walkers 1st turn, so he reserves them. You've got 3 WSs and 2 WKs on the table.
Now I imagine it would be difficult to see/have range to all WSs, but lets say you do have range to all of them. 1 Commander with 1 Crisis shoot at 1st WS, 2 Crisis shoot at 2nd WS and Earth Caste HBC Riptide using 5-6 Marker lights shoots at the 3rd WS. 2 leftover Riptides help finish any leftover WSs. It is actually quite probable. I myself once faced such a unit and due to my underestimation I lost 4 Wave Serpents in 2 turns.
Your opponents first turn and he only has 2 Wraithknights and some infantry. He either shoots at Crisis and you LoS it on drones or shoots at Riptides. Either way it doesn't matter.
Your 2nd turn. You probably kill1 WK via forcing him to make loads of saves. Some infantry men die.
His 2nd turn. War Walkers come in. Scatter Lasers are terribad against Riptides. All of them on average do 2,5 wounds. He probably shoots at Crisis unit. Probably kills some depending on you Commander's position (and his 2+ possibly also FnP saves)
Your turn 3. You end his misery.

Are my clayvorance skills good enough? May I possibly be a Farseer in a near future?

macexor wrote:
Should get OP's list get first turn against Eldar he actually has quite high chance of tabling him.
I imagine Eldar being afraid of loosing War Walkers 1st turn, so he reserves them. You've got 3 WSs and 2 WKs on the table.
Now I imagine it would be difficult to see/have range to all WSs, but lets say you do have range to all of them. 1 Commander with 1 Crisis shoot at 1st WS, 2 Crisis shoot at 2nd WS and Earth Caste HBC Riptide using 5-6 Marker lights shoots at the 3rd WS. 2 leftover Riptides help finish any leftover WSs. It is actually quite probable. I myself once faced such a unit and due to my underestimation I lost 4 Wave Serpents in 2 turns.
Your opponents first turn and he only has 2 Wraithknights and some infantry. He either shoots at Crisis and you LoS it on drones or shoots at Riptides. Either way it doesn't matter.
Your 2nd turn. You probably kill1 WK via forcing him to make loads of saves. Some infantry men die.
His 2nd turn. War Walkers come in. Scatter Lasers are terribad against Riptides. All of them on average do 2,5 wounds. He probably shoots at Crisis unit. Probably kills some depending on you Commander's position (and his 2+ possibly also FnP saves)
Your turn 3. You end his misery.

Are my clayvorance skills good enough? May I possibly be a Farseer in a near future?

Lol, not quite. If you are referring to my game three he doesn't reserve the Warwalkers and goes first, but the end result is very similar. You'll just have to wait and see how it actually goes down.

Did we meet at NOVA? Is that you Zach?

First round of shooting puts 2hp on the Knight. Second round of shooting drops the Knight vs SM. What did you use to shoot it t1? What about t2? Curious what your using to glance the knight to death.

Thanks

 syypher wrote:
First round of shooting puts 2hp on the Knight. Second round of shooting drops the Knight vs SM. What did you use to shoot it t1? What about t2? Curious what your using to glance the knight to death.

Thanks

I used my BuffCommander, MPCommander, and MP Crisis to take out the Rhino, then dumped two MPCrisis into the Knight. I put 7 Markerlight hits on the Knight. Then I uses a NOVACharged IA(3 MLs to avoid Gets hot) to hit the Knight(Saved by Shield), Immobilize the Vindicator, and put a wound on a Grav Cent. I then dumped my Rending HBC fire into it. 2HP was pretty tame, I should have been able to put 3 on it, or maybe I had a failed NOVA and 2 was about right.

Turn 2 I just shot it with my full MP unit and my Riptides which average about 4 through a Shield with full Markerlight Support. Basically, my damage on the Knight was exactly what I expected for averaged. my 16 Twinlinked Tank Hunting Missiles average 4HP on AV13, 2HP after a 4++ Ion Shield. I really didn't need the Knight Dead turn 2 as it was slowed by terrain, so I was ok if I left it alive at 1HP, but averages prevailed and it fell.

Twinlinked Tank Huntering MPs with Targets Locks are just plain nasty against everything up to AV13. It it is AV2, I can pretty reliably take out 2 Wave Serpents in a single turn with that unit, plus Markerlight a third.

Edit: Don't worry, I face more Knights in the coming reports, I got pretty good at taking them out. I even was ballsy enough to get first blood twice with them and one was even Marked for Death by me!


Game 3 is up.

That's awesome! Reading the 3rd batrep! These are great!

Your Tau is scary! I know I'd have a hard time with it with my bugs. My Necrons, however, would be a different story.

In any case, I'd like to say congrats in advance and looking forward to reading the rest of your battles.

BTW, my friend Spam Adams got 5th at the BAO with his Tau.

 jy2 wrote:
Your Tau is scary! I know I'd have a hard time with it with my bugs. My Necrons, however, would be a different story.

In any case, I'd like to say congrats in advance and looking forward to reading the rest of your battles.

BTW, my friend Spam Adams got 5th at the BAO with his Tau.

Thanks Jy2, and no one wants to play against your Crons but I'd gladly take a crack at em! In general match up well against Necron, but triple Command Barges would be bad, no one I saw was running it, I think I saw a double somewhere at NOVA and both Necrons in the Top Bracket were running Spiders.

Yep, and besides me and Spam Adams Tau didn't do particularity well in either event, once you discount the Triptide Adamantine Lances that were floating around NOVA which were technically tau Primary.... Technically.

Personally I think the results say more of player skill than any particular army. Any decent TAC list with a good player will do well. I can say im not sure how that scoring works though. As your 6-2 and ended up higher than a 7-1 player.

Fragile wrote:
Personally I think the results say more of player skill than any particular army. Any decent TAC list with a good player will do well. I can say im not sure how that scoring works though. As your 6-2 and ended up higher than a 7-1 player.

Anyone that chose to drop in their final bracket dropped to the bottom of their bracket. Had all games played out It is hard to say where I would have ended up, but 7-10th is more likely.

Did we meet at NOVA? Is that you Zach?

No, I'm not.

Neither have we met there.


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What a bloodbath game 3

Do you yourself have any ideas how your enemy could have played it differently? Of course apart from moving his WKs turn 1.

What a bloodbath game 3

Do you yourself have any ideas how your enemy could have played it differently? Of course apart from moving his WKs turn 1.