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I just found out about the MOBA Bloodline Champions.
Every hero (here called Bloodline) have “opposite gender” skin available to be bought.
There is generally a lot of skin showing for both gender due to the low-tech, low-magic Conan-like setting, but here is the base skin for the Guardian bloodline:

and here is the purchasable male version:

Is that not some nice reversal ?

They even manage to give the golem/stone construct a female skin that do not look ridiculous:

vs

The game allows for plenty of cheesecake for those that like it, but also includes tons of non-cheesecake skins. I think it is a very nice approach!

Thought, Dakka?

Seems nice, if a bit cash-shop heavy of an approach.

Which golem is female?

Looking at the face/masks should give it away quite clearly.

Yes, look at the faces, and then look at the card that says "Sentinel de sexe feminin".

But this is French! Nobody can understand French because it is so different from English!
(Well, Sentinel is English because they do not translate the name of the Bloodlines, else it would be Sentinelle. But you still have no idea what sexe or féminin could possibly mean, do you ?)

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I just found out about the MOBA Bloodline Champions.
Every hero (here called Bloodline) have “opposite gender” skin available to be bought.
There is generally a lot of skin showing for both gender due to the low-tech, low-magic Conan-like setting, but here is the base skin for the Guardian bloodline:

Spoiler:

and here is the purchasable male version:

Spoiler:

Is that not some nice reversal ?

They even manage to give the golem/stone construct a female skin that do not look ridiculous:

Spoiler:

vs

Spoiler:

The game allows for plenty of cheesecake for those that like it, but also includes tons of non-cheesecake skins. I think it is a very nice approach!

Thought, Dakka?

I am offended! I want boobs!

(Joking)

But anyway I think these are great designs.

I continue my relentless search for CSM-esque female characters. In the meantime, I am toying around with GIMP.

Compare these two. The positioning is identical on both so they should be easy enough to swap tabs between for easy comparison.

First, the base in-game model. Somewhat glitchy textures at the knees, but that was me messing up. Note the ludicrously slim belly and biceps along with the tiny hands, despite the full plate!

http://i.imgur.com/vncriwU.jpg

Next, one that I edited a little with GIMP. Added some flash, but most importantly, I bulked up the belly and biceps, and swapped in better hands. The other character at the side is not relevant here, she was just added as a size comparison for use on another forum.

http://i.imgur.com/JFN8jDl.jpg

Notice how a female character of this type can actually look good.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I just found out about the MOBA Bloodline Champions.
Every hero (here called Bloodline) have “opposite gender” skin available to be bought.
There is generally a lot of skin showing for both gender due to the low-tech, low-magic Conan-like setting, but here is the base skin for the Guardian bloodline:

Spoiler:

and here is the purchasable male version:

Spoiler:

Is that not some nice reversal ?

They even manage to give the golem/stone construct a female skin that do not look ridiculous:

Spoiler:

vs

Spoiler:

The game allows for plenty of cheesecake for those that like it, but also includes tons of non-cheesecake skins. I think it is a very nice approach!

Thought, Dakka?

I think the humans have potato heads
Is the game-play any good? What is it like?

 Ashiraya wrote:
I continue my relentless search for CSM-esque female characters. In the meantime, I am toying around with GIMP.

Compare these two. The positioning is identical on both so they should be easy enough to swap tabs between for easy comparison.

First, the base in-game model. Somewhat glitchy textures at the knees, but that was me messing up. Note the ludicrously slim belly and biceps along with the tiny hands, despite the full plate!

http://i.imgur.com/vncriwU.jpg

Next, one that I edited a little with GIMP. Added some flash, but most importantly, I bulked up the belly and biceps, and swapped in better hands. The other character at the side is not relevant here, she was just added as a size comparison for use on another forum.

http://i.imgur.com/JFN8jDl.jpg

Notice how a female character of this type can actually look good.

Yeah GIMP is great, but I completely agree. I can see that, villains that are absolutely terrifying and are women. That would be cool.

 Asherian Command wrote:
I am offended! I want boobs!

You can get boobs, with the right bloodline (and/or the right skin).

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Is the game-play any good? What is it like?

You can try it out for yourself, it is free to play. Actually seems very challenging. You control your hero via wasd (or qzsd for people with azerty keyboards), and use your cursor only to target stuff. You have 8 (!!) different skills per bloodline, one mapped to left mouse button, one mapped to right mouse button, one mapped to a, two sharing the same cooldown mapped to E and W, two sharing the same cooldown mapped to are and x, one ultimate mapped of F, and a movement-related ability mapped on space. There is no item or mana or creep or jungle or level, you just start with a bloodline and there are a bunch of other bloodline, and you beat the crap out of each other. Just played a few games against bot, seems very challenging, but fun and fast-paced.
http://www.bloodlinechampions.com/

Bishop F Gantry wrote:Its only broken if the message isn't getting trough, you don't have to agree to anything, but the moment you stop listen you loose.

Oh, I think the vast majority of people stopped to "listen" before this thread was even created.
This is really just noise - people making a statement and reinforcing their opinions. At best it serves to see where person X stands, but it doesn't really get you anywhere and the sheer amount of pages just hints at a lot of wasted energy.


(nice reversal though @ Bloodline Champions - it's funny to see the cliché turned around for once. reminds me of those movie poster parodies )

Lynata: Ah, that's a classic.

 Lynata wrote:

Bishop F Gantry wrote:Its only broken if the message isn't getting trough, you don't have to agree to anything, but the moment you stop listen you loose.

Oh, I think the vast majority of people stopped to "listen" before this thread was even created.
This is really just noise - people making a statement and reinforcing their opinions. At best it serves to see where person X stands, but it doesn't really get you anywhere and the sheer amount of pages just hints at a lot of wasted energy.


(nice reversal though @ Bloodline Champions - it's funny to see the cliché turned around for once. reminds me of those movie poster parodies )

yeah that reminds me XD

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Looking at the face/masks should give it away quite clearly.

If you say so.

 Ashiraya wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/vncriwU.jpg

I would not have known this was a female character, either.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
I continue my relentless search for CSM-esque female characters.

Kitiara Uth Matar:One of my favorite characters growing up.

What is everyones thoughts on.... Bayonetta?



I mean I don't have a problem but antia is apparently going to cover her.

Feminist Frequency @femfreq · 5h 5 hours ago
I’ll be discussing the reasons Bayonetta is so pernicious in my Fighting feth Toy video. Bayonetta is a quintessential example of the trope.

Feminist Frequency @femfreq · 6h 6 hours ago
Everything about Bayonetta's design, mechanics and characterization is created specifically for the sexual pleasure of straight male gamers.
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I personally don't care on the matter just wondering everyone's thoughts on a mainly female cast game?

Well if you don't care why bother asking. We actually covered Bayonetta awhile ago. I think the conclusion was most people didn't play it.

The FFT is a interesting trope. It's basically the third person seductress under a different name. I simply don't know what to make of it. I think it falls into the category of limiting. Basically the desire/requirement for female characters to be sexy for the (assumed male) player limits the verity of characters you can have.

nomotog wrote:
Well if you don't care why bother asking. We actually covered Bayonetta awhile ago. I think the conclusion was most people didn't play it.

The FFT is a interesting trope. It's basically the third person seductress under a different name. I simply don't know what to make of it. I think it falls into the category of limiting. Basically the desire/requirement for female characters to be sexy for the (assumed male) player limits the verity of characters you can have.

IN the heroes journey there is the woman as temptress or the temptress where their main goal is to make the main hero lose their way.

I think that is probably far more interesting than the FFT trope, but maybe Anita hates that idea and thinks the heroes journey is sexist.

How would you make a game were you play the temptress?

 Manchu wrote:
If you say so.

That seems clear to me. I am interested in knowing whether it is clear to other too. It seems not clear to you, what about other members in the thread?

 Manchu wrote:
I would not have known this was a female character, either.

That is to be expected when wearing full armor.

 Manchu wrote:
Kitiara Uth Matar:

Spoiler:

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Spoiler:

One of my favorite characters growing up.

I know Ashiraya well enough to guess: not enough armor . For instance, look at the arms. Seems very close-fitting.

 Asherian Command wrote:
I mean I don't have a problem but antia is apparently going to cover her.

Feminist Frequency @femfreq · 5h 5 hours ago
I’ll be discussing the reasons Bayonetta is so pernicious in my Fighting feth Toy video. Bayonetta is a quintessential example of the trope.

Feminist Frequency @femfreq · 6h 6 hours ago
Everything about Bayonetta's design, mechanics and characterization is created specifically for the sexual pleasure of straight male gamers.
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Are you actually following her on Twitter?

nomotog wrote:
How would you make a game were you play the temptress?

… Hatoful Boyfriend ? Does it count?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
If you say so.

That seems clear to me. I am interested in knowing whether it is clear to other too. It seems not clear to you, what about other members in the thread?

 Manchu wrote:
I would not have known this was a female character, either.

That is to be expected when wearing full armor.

 Manchu wrote:
Kitiara Uth Matar:

Spoiler:

s.jpg

Spoiler:

One of my favorite characters growing up.

I know Ashiraya well enough to guess: not enough armor . For instance, look at the arms. Seems very close-fitting.

That would be because the arms are not covered by armor. It appears to be leather (or rather, a fabric representing leather) there.

Hence the “not enough armor” .
On the drawings though, it looks like chain-mail.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Hence the “not enough armor” .
On the drawings though, it looks like chain-mail.

Yes, there really should be chain-mail there, but I guess it was beyond the cosplayer's ability to create it.

 Manchu wrote:
I would not have known this was a female character, either.

Not even the hourglass figure in 2D plate armour gives it away?

I can imagine that the edited figure is harder to identify, (though not impossible), but the unedited character with her sorry excuse for plate armour is, to me, rather distinctly a female model.

Just to drop in, but golems don't have a gender to begin with

"... people sometimes say, oh, you write good female characters. You just write people, honestly. It's not any different. I think that if you're over-focused on the gender, you're probably writing a pretty one-dimensional character. Gender's not that huge of a component of personality, I don't think. At the end of the day, I think our humanity is a bigger component." - Amy Hennig, games developer.

Guess we saw that quote at least thrice now. Still valid, and it's still sad that people want to have female characters because...they're female, but...

nomotog wrote:
How would you make a game were you play the temptress?

You basically get people off the path of the hero. You tempt people, you basically lead them off the path. Your position is posionious.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Just to drop in, but golems don't have a gender to begin with

So those are not golems, but “Sentinels”™®©. Is that okay with you ?
Note that they may not even have a paper with some words on it powering them!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Just to drop in, but golems don't have a gender to begin with

So those are not golems, but “Sentinels”™®©. Is that okay with you ?
Note that they may not even have a paper with some words on it powering them!

A fellow Terry Pratchett reader, I see. *nods*