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This better be a standard release and not another shield generator....

 Ehsteve wrote:
For those with a Space Hulk copy already...won't it be enough to just get the WD for the "WD-exclusive" scenarios and be done with it? Even then you could just leave it at that and have pretty much lost nothing from the whole experience.

You've seen my collection of tiles, so what do you think?

That anyone else would say it is enough?

I don't know..Are we sure this is a GW game? It doesn't have enough random charts, microtransactions or the ability to ally with even your hated enemies.

I'd believe this rumor if you could ally the terminators and genestealers together against an invading force of Orks and Tau (SUPPLEMENT SOLD SEPARATELY)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ehsteve wrote:
For those with a Space Hulk copy already...won't it be enough to just get the WD for the "WD-exclusive" scenarios and be done with it? Even then you could just leave it at that and have pretty much lost nothing from the whole experience.

You've seen my collection of tiles, so what do you think?

That when mightly climate change comes like Al Gore predicted it would and The Day After Tomorrow happens (super cereal) you'll have plenty of stuff to burn until Dennis Quade comes to save the day?

Malika2 wrote:

 fullheadofhair wrote:
I don't understand why they don't make this as a "core" game that is always available as it makes a great bit of cash to take off people who may be taking a break from 40k purchases.

Then it ought to be expanded with different races. I would happily spend $100 on a force of equivalent "points" of DE, Orcs and Tau that have been individually sculpted to the same quality as those space marines and genestealers. Throw in a couple of new tiles - or even a whole new set for say a Roc or a craftworld.

It could be the gift that keep giving to GW if they play it right.

An actual Space Crusade revival? :O

CptJake wrote:Wasn't Space Crusade a Milton Bradley/ Hasbro game, like Battle Masters?

Interestingly, GameZone, the company that are relaunching 'Heroquest 25th edition', that have rights to the name in Spain, also have rights to 'Space Crusade' apparently, and are in process of working on something for it. I think a lot depends on whether this is a 'clean' launch for Heroquest 25th, and whether the game reaches the US specifically without a legal challenge, as to whether we will see a GameZone designed Space Crusade.

Yes Space Crusade was made by MB games - I believe GW had input on some of the design of miniatures, rest was MB. Rules were written by a chap who also wrote Heroquest, an American - sadly I forget his name, within boardgaming history he is something of an enigma, disappeared into the sunset after writing those games all those years ago and was never seen again..

Got Space Hulk on the ipad now. I'm loathe to suggest that the computer game experience is better than the table top version, but it is sufficiently close to not bother buying the box set again.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Why is it 25% more for a few bits of extra card?

Inflation, Citizen. Company has inflated what it would like to make on the game and thus its price is higher.
Also, prepare to report to mandatory re-education center XY3. Such opening questioning of Emperor Kirby's decisions indicates possible Chaos taint or at the least low level heresy

Inflation is 25% in five years?

Well, assuming 4% annual inflation (which is probably too high), "fair price rise" over 5 years would be 78 -> 95 euros. So yes, 100 euros feels bit like scalping, especially as there aren't any new miniatures this time around.

OTOH, 100 euros is still better than ridiculous 200+ euros you had to pay in Ebay...

Well, if it comes to it and it's difficult to get hold of, I'll just pick up the book(s) and work out some kind of proxy for the extra templates and boards. I could potentially even build the new board sections if it came to it...

With all the laser-cut mdf companies out there I'm sure someone will supply you with the new boards.

 Pacific wrote:

Rules were written by a chap who also wrote Heroquest, an American - sadly I forget his name, within boardgaming history he is something of an enigma, disappeared into the sunset after writing those games all those years ago and was never seen again..

I believe that he became a senior vp or something at Hasbro.
Wasn't he over in the UK and had some meetings with GW, which is where all the talk of Hasbro buying them out came from?

From Mexiork:

$190AUD???? Feth you GW...

It's just the last one with some bits added to make it just different enough to be "new."

 Tamereth wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
... an obvious cash grab ...

You understand how retail business works? I thought not.

As somebody who owns and runs a retail store, yes I do thanks.

The only reason to have this as a limited edition release is to drive up day one demand in order to make a short term gain. As I said this is exactly the sort of product they need out there in the wider market to attract new players in, the limited edition run will only bring in sales from the current customer base. The fact that it is a product they previously had in product means there's no development costs to it, and minimal production costs ( they will still have the molds etc from the first run) Everything about this re-release screams desperate cash grab.

This.

I lost count of the sheer volume of lapsed gamers that popped into my local GW (and those were the just the ones I saw) looking for a copy of Space Hulk after the news of its re-release had filtered out of wargaming circles, only to be told it was a limited run and have them walk off never to be seen again.

So now they're doing it again for a wedge of short term money and not having this as a gateway game where you can get some of that delicious nostalgia money and they'll probably stick around to expand into 40k proper.

They may have made a larger print run this time...

 CptJake wrote:
Wasn't Space Crusade a Milton Bradley/ Hasbro game, like Battle Masters?

Not sure GW, on their own, has the manufacturing and distro of a big company like Hasbro (over 4 Billion in assets) at this point.

Exactly. Hasbro has warehousing, deep pockets, and a much larger distribution system. Their business model is different from many other game manufacturers and tied in with other large companies like Toys R US and Target.

The last edition of Space Hulk had a 1 year lead time. Probably 8 months on the reprint. At some point, you have to decide "how many do we make", and then pay the manufacturing costs, months before you start seeing sales.

Space Hulk is by far my favorite thing ever produced by GW but the way it was released last time was a joke. I had to jump through hoops just to get one copy, my local games store didn't get a single copy to sell despite pre-ordering 20 copies. I was forced to buy a copy from the GW bunker which was swimming in copies. GW created an artificial shortfall of product and it burned a lot of independent stores badly. While I'm glad I managed to get a copy it was not a pleasant experience and one I care not to try and repeat.

Add a few new tiles and same limited run status to inflate demand? I love Space Hulk but as far as I'm concerned GW can go feth themselves.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
They may have made a larger print run this time...

If they reprinted it when they ran out instead of waiting 5 years it wouldn't be so much of a problem.

 paulson games wrote:
Space Hulk is by far my favorite thing ever produced by GW but the way it was released last time was a joke. I had to jump through hoops just to get one copy, my local games store didn't get a single copy to sell despite pre-ordering 20 copies. I was forced to buy a copy from the GW bunker which was swimming in copies. GW created an artificial shortfall of product and it burned a lot of independent stores badly. While I'm glad I managed to get a copy it was not a pleasant experience and one I care not to try and repeat.

Add a few new tiles and same limited run status to inflate demand? I love Space Hulk but as far as I'm concerned GW can go feth themselves.

Not sure what was up with your local store, but I know many stores that got all they wanted and had it in stock for weeks. I sold over a 100 copies of Space Hulk.

If your local store was up to date with payments to GW, and ordering direct, I can't think of any reason at all why they wouldn't get copies.

I've order 30 copies this time around, i don't expect it to sell as well as last time. But if I sell out of 30, i'll be happy.

So...

Do I order an extra copy of this? (bearing in mind I will have to hide it from my girlfriend somehow)

Haven't had time to read all the way through, but looks like no dead terminator or C.A.T. In the box, or did I miss them, strange if they cut those out of the mold.

 Theophony wrote:
Haven't had time to read all the way through, but looks like no dead terminator or C.A.T. In the box, or did I miss them, strange if they cut those out of the mold.

On the left. Deadicus Marinicus is sitting in the space between board sections, and the CAT is in the corridor just below him.

So what is my best bet for ordering? I assume I will end up paying full price. Should I pre-order direct from GW? Or is their a online vendor someone can recommend? PM if necessary. I don't generally buy brand new GW stuff so this is forgien to me.

Awesome! I missed it the last time. Just as i sold my chaos to work on my Nid's and BA as well, double bonus.

Word is GW is heavily limiting indie stores plus they stiffed tons of them with Nagash, given the nature if this release I would pay sticker price rather than risk having to pay 300-200% more if the indie order falls through.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
$190AUD???? Feth you GW...

kb_lock wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
$190AUD???? Feth you GW...

2 copies of Dungeon Saga from the recent kickstarter or almost 3 sets of Star Wars: Armada. Not really a tough decision for me, as expected.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Word is GW is heavily limiting indie stores plus they stiffed tons of them with Nagash, given the nature if this release I would pay sticker price rather than risk having to pay 300-200% more if the indie order falls through.

Limited for sure. We all got allocated X copies, and then each trade sales rep generally had control over some more copies and could pass them out as they wanted. The original allocation was I think based on your sales of 7th editon 40k or overall sales numbers.

This may not make some stores happy when they find out they are only getting 3 copies, or 1 copy, but is in some ways fair. I've got as much as I wanted coming in to my stores.

I wouldn't count on finding any online. Stores that sell online have to get their GW product from distributors, not from GW direct, unless they do old fashioned mail order with no shopping cart, like Neal does. Those channels will get very little of a limited product, and will get it roughly a week later.

Best bet is to talk to your local FLGS and reserve a copy.

As for Nagash, got all i wanted. Sold out, ordered and got more in. They are reprinting the book and my rep asked me how many i wanted out of that printing. So no complaints at all from me on supply and sales of Naggy.

Well, that certainly deflated the selling price on eBay. Not the listing price, mind you, but the "sold" price. Previously they were going for $250-ish (with a few outriders around $300) and now $128 is the new high.