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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I might be late to the party but did anyone notice this dude has fangs...

Did you miss the memo? Blood Angels are Games Workshop's vampire counts....in spess.

 Sir Arun wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I might be late to the party but did anyone notice this dude has fangs...

Did you miss the memo? Blood Angels are Games Workshop's vampire counts....in spess.

Yeah, I was wondering whether GW went full slowed with the whole vampire thing

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.

Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?

Are you seriously suggesting they are only making 1,000 copies?

The webstore now lists Space Hulk as unavailable. So what do you think?

I think they made about 15k for the US and about 45k worldwide and did 70-80k on the last print run.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Davylove21 wrote:
Excellent, find out about this, count my lucky stars, sold out already.

At least there will be a new influx of the Terminators on ebay.

wander in to your local GW next week and I'm sure there will be a fair number in stock (and probably in independents that don't do online too)

I'm not showing out of stock on the GW US website.

FLGS get theirs next friday, and same for GW retail stores.

So not really "Sold Out". But nice to see that it's doing well. Mayb it will get a 3rd run, or they'll take a look at other games.

Wow so it really is already out of stock.

I can already feel so many wargamers out there fuming when they were doing something else Friday evening, got up late Saturday morning, checked the GW website some time in the afternoon, almost creamed themselves at the big SPACE HULK ad decorating the page, read a little into it, got super excited and happy that they checked the GW page on Saturday and not a couple days later, thinking they're one of the early birds, then looked at the preorder button... and....the product is out of stock even 1 week before its release date.

Saletime didn't even last 24 hours.

I feel extra glad about how I was able to secure mine in time

 mikhaila wrote:

I think they made about 15k for the US and about 45k worldwide and did 70-80k on the last print run.

I recall number of 100k circulated in 2009, and 50 to 60k for Dreadfleet.
I really hope they made enough this time that others than eBay scalpers can get their hands on it too, but I remain fearful.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.

Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?

Are you seriously suggesting they are only making 1,000 copies?

The webstore now lists Space Hulk as unavailable. So what do you think?

I think they probably made between 50-80k copies. I think there is zero chance they made only 1000. A print run that limited would drive the manufacturing costs way too high. I think if they expected to only sell 1000, or even less than 10,000 they would bother with the release. I think for this to make a difference on the quarterly finances they must churn out way more than 1000.

I find it hard to believe that 80,000 people had a spare 75 quid lying around to place their order in a span of 16 hours, given the timezone differences and everything.

I think it was more like 10-20k

I made a thread on this topic not long ago:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/601069.page

Seems like there's a significant group of people who'd want it and more who'd get it again if it had new models.

For those who refuse to by an ipad in order to buy the rules, where could get find the Deathwing, Ultramarine, and Spacewolf rules for the Space Hulk?

 CptJake wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I see they've repeated the same idiotic mistake as last time in making it Limited Edition again.

Because hey, why sell several thousand copies over the next 5 years when you can sell just 1000 or so and boast for the next 5 years about how quickly your game sold out?

Are you seriously suggesting they are only making 1,000 copies?

The webstore now lists Space Hulk as unavailable. So what do you think?

I think they probably made between 50-80k copies. I think there is zero chance they made only 1000. A print run that limited would drive the manufacturing costs way too high. I think if they expected to only sell 1000, or even less than 10,000 they would bother with the release. I think for this to make a difference on the quarterly finances they must churn out way more than 1000.

OK, so I wasn't literally correct. I guess I had in mind the numbers of units for other Limited Edition products, like the Ltd Ed Codicies, that actually listed the numbers still available ("1000..900...500...100...Less than 100 remaining!") and made the assumption it was the same with this new Ltd Ed Space Hulk.

But my point is still valid - the actual print run was pitifully inadequate with regards to the huge demand, given that it sold out in a matter of hours. Whatever the actual print number, GW is deliberately under supplying the market when it could sell maybe 2 or 3 times as much if only it produced enough units.

If anybody at GW has any business sense, they'll immediately be ordering a 2nd print run in time for Xmas.

In fact, they should do this every year, reprinting the game as long as the demand remains, and only reduce the print run or stop altogether when the demand begins to drop,

If they couldn't make enough or were worried about storing the extra boxes, they should have just waited for this lot to sell out and then put out another release so people can actually buy it, they just have to wait a bit longer.

So... space hulks doing really well
Its good to see they're getting over how crap Dreadfleet went for them.
Who'd absolutely love to see updated versions of all the classic games... gorkamorka, necromunda, morheim, hero quest maybe (although there is the gamezone one)

I think they could really bump their moneys with projects like this churned out at a suitable pace.

I'd go nuts for a refreshing of the mordheim franchise, even if it was just temporary and limited.

HairySticks wrote:
So... space hulks doing really well
Its good to see they're getting over how crap Dreadfleet went for them.
Who'd absolutely love to see updated versions of all the classic games... gorkamorka, necromunda, morheim, hero quest maybe (although there is the gamezone one)

I think they could really bump their moneys with projects like this churned out at a suitable pace.

I'd go nuts for a refreshing of the mordheim franchise, even if it was just temporary and limited.

Agreed.
As big as a fan I am of Space hulk, nearly all the other classic games had much better rules.

Shame that people missed out on getting this. It's a really fun game. I managed to get a copy in the last release and I'm very fond of it.

As to E Bay scalpers, you can defend your POV by saying "GW made it limited! It's not my fault!" but I still think buying up multiple copies to sell later for profit is a bit greedy. Especially if you already own Space Hulk. "Free Market" doesn't mean whatever you do is right.

 Sir Arun wrote:
I find it hard to believe that 80,000 people had a spare 75 quid lying around to place their order in a span of 16 hours, given the timezone differences and everything.

I think it was more like 10-20k

really ???
I find it hard to believe that someone coudn't fork this amount, if he really want to buy it. With the widespread diffusion of credit card, most persons in occident are able to get this kind of amount really easily.

And you wouldn't need 80k people. Probably half of that is going to GW and other stores. Some of those are not sold out yet.

Well its not direct only so that means that if it does sell out that is only the web allotment, not what stores get. I suspect it will be just like last time. Copies floating around for months.

GW just slapped on the "strictly limited" buzz title on it so it sells more.

Hah, I would likely have purchased this if I had stumbled upon it in a store, but there is no way I'm buying something like this second hand at an inflated price.

This could have been the only product I would have purchased from GW this year, now they won't see my money at all. I really don't get their way of marketing and production. It makes no sense to me.

Has Space Hulk always been Blood Angel Terminators?? Was the original version Dark Angel (Deathwing) terms or am I just making that up??

I sort of had in my head that the current version had DA Terms in it too and as I'm currently in full Dark Angels mood with my Orks bust gathering dust I thought about buying a Space Hulk box just for the cool models, but as they are BA, I'm kind of meh about the whole thing and not really bothered about it selling out.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

But my point is still valid - the actual print run was pitifully inadequate with regards to the huge demand, given that it sold out in a matter of hours. Whatever the actual print number, GW is deliberately under supplying the market when it could sell maybe 2 or 3 times as much if only it produced enough units.

If anybody at GW has any business sense, they'll immediately be ordering a 2nd print run in time for Xmas.

Lets wait & see how the GW stores and independents do with Space Hulk before condemning GW: I remind again that Dreadfleet 'sold out' too (although it took a week or so). Just not that many are allocated to direct order, to create illusion of scarcity and make people rush for other channels to see if some are still available. Given the huge buying orgasm the gaming community had with 2009 edition (and it was rumoured they took a second print run and explained it as "warehousing error..."), I don't believe they would have made this one in pitifully small numbers.


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 Nuclear Mekanik wrote:
Has Space Hulk always been Blood Angel Terminators?? Was the original version Dark Angel (Deathwing) terms or am I just making that up??

No, it was BA, but there was a Deathing expansion. Anyway, it should be quite easy to transform DV Terminators to Space Hulk and voilá, Deathwing Space Hulk!

ISTR that Space Crusade also had Blood Angels as poster boys?

It would be totally awesome if next edition of Space Hulk had Imperial Fists or Ultramarines termies...

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
I find it hard to believe that 80,000 people had a spare 75 quid lying around to place their order in a span of 16 hours, given the timezone differences and everything.

I think it was more like 10-20k

really ???
I find it hard to believe that someone coudn't fork this amount, if he really want to buy it. With the widespread diffusion of credit card, most persons in occident are able to get this kind of amount really easily.

Indeed £75 really isn't allot of money...if you have a job.

Yup, loving all these "oh noes it sold out well screw you GW I aint leaving the house to go to a bricks and mortar GW next Saturday and buy one in person".

Haters gonna hate, the rest of us knew this was coming and preordered it and will enjoy it/profit from it depending on motivation. I missed 2009 so great chance to get it with extras, and £75 is less than I pay to park my car every month at work....

I caved in and pre-ordered at my flgs, on the assumption I can sell it on for my money back after playing it through

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Yup, loving all these "oh noes it sold out well screw you GW I aint leaving the house to go to a bricks and mortar GW next Saturday and buy one in person".

Haters gonna hate, the rest of us knew this was coming and preordered it and will enjoy it/profit from it depending on motivation. I missed 2009 so great chance to get it with extras, and £75 is less than I pay to park my car every month at work....

The worst posts are those "Oh, I missed a limited release. Now I will totally not buy anything GW-related for the next year!"
That's not really believable if you are freaking out because you couldn't throw money at them.

I also missed the last release and I'd love those BA-Terminators, having the game is just a nice bonus and the Tyranids I will share with my Xenos-friend.
So the first thing I did is go to a reseller and order one. (Looks like he still has 16 left for 80 euro)

For a lot of people, there isn't a convenient "bricks and mortar store" within easy travel distance. When I was a kid the nearest GW was 160km away, I only ever got to go there once.
Other people have demanding schedules that don't leave much time for shopping for leisure goods.

In the end, if there is a substantial number of people who wanted the game and didn't get it, GW lost out on some profit. More fool them.

There will be copies at local GW stores well into the new year. Same as in the 2009 release.

If there are a substantial number of people who wanted the game and didn't get it, BUT GW sold a gakload of games because people who might not otherwise have got it did get it because they were worried they wouldn't be able to later... which is the point of doing limited releases... then I'd say everything went according to plan, tbh.

Besides which, as has been stated, there'll be copies floating around and honestly it took a good 24 hours to sell out from what I can tell - it was no blink-and-you-miss-it shield generator anyway - so if people were set on getting it but couldn't, I'm struggling to see how/why

 Da Boss wrote:


As to E Bay scalpers, you can defend your POV by saying "GW made it limited! It's not my fault!" but I still think buying up multiple copies to sell later for profit is a bit greedy. Especially if you already own Space Hulk. "Free Market" doesn't mean whatever you do is right.

I don't have a bad conscience at all

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'll rail on GW for price a lot, but this is $125 (US) for $110 worth of terminators, $20 Libby, $20 Broodlord, $70 genestealers, and all with superior sculpts to what is currently on market, as well as the game board stuff. So it's about half off what everything would be individually.

The problem with that assessment, is that it is based off of what GW themselves tell you those models are worth. Just because GW sells Terminators for $50 a box, doesn't mean they really are worth that much.

I know. And those prices are dropped by resellers to almost reasonable. Almost. They're still a fantastic value for unique sculpts compared to their counterparts.

I do agree that the lack of time is an issue. But cost really isn't.

Let's end the snarky comments please.

Ryan