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 whembly wrote:
My friend just texted me about this...

He's a veteran, and he wants to go back to fight ISIS.**

O.o

**It doesn't work like that... doesn't it?

It really depends.

First, if he just ETS'ed from the service, technically he could rejoin "IF" the service is accepting prior service. Being as we are drawing down, thats probably not going to happen.

There are organizations that are actively recruiting U.S. and other western nations veterans to help the Kurds fight the ISIS. I know one is called "lions of rojava" (spelling). Many veterans have already joined and are using their training to train the Kurds in all manner of military knowledge.

Lastly there are also private security companies that are recruiting heavily right now, supposedly with the intent of fighting the ISIS, but I don't know much about those companies other then they pay HUGE and recruit only former SAS, Green berets, SEALS etc etc.

If the video hasnt been posted yet:

We'd rather not have that video linked to this side. Thanks ~ Manchu

It might look like a broken link, but to view it, gotta enable the NSFW tag on top

if that's too much of a hassle, here:

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Huge respect to Jordanian air force. Brave souls.

 Easy E wrote:
Well, ISIS is consistently proving that if you are fighting them, you might as well fight to the death. I have no idea why they would want to promote that idea, as it seems counter-productive to their cause and a waste. It will force them to waste resources fighting when people maybe willing to just let them roll in.

I guess they aren't as shrewd as Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, or Julius Ceasar. They knew that your brutality had to be used selectively against your enemies.


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 Grey Templar wrote:

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 OIIIIIIO wrote:
Call me a savage or an arsehole ... I would make it a point to coat all of my rounds in pig fat before I put them in the magazine ... and I would explain to the kids in the area that I have done this and to let all of the adults around to know I have done this. War on terror is hell, but you have to strike fear into their heart ... I think that would do it too.

Yes, ruling through terror has really worked well in the past to stop people hating their enemy. It's clearly the best thing possible, and not in any way counterproductive.

It actually has worked in the past, if you actually follow through with the threat and aren't hampered by a population that has a large chunk who would lose their lunch over the sight of a chicken getting killed.

Student- "My Mom says that violence never solved anything."
Michael Ironsides- "Tell that to the Carthaginians."

Yeah, they are definately not a organization I'd like to be captured by.

What makes me sad, is even with the brutality being committed by the ISIS there are STILL people who are advocating "being nice" and making exuses on why they are being crazy I.E. "disenfranchized by the West" I really wish we could just package up all the ISIS sympathizers and apologists and send them to ISIS controlled Syria.

I wonder what kind of debates are happening in Japan right now. They are very dedicated to their pacifist ways but some hawks have been stirring up debate on getting more involved militarily in the world the past few years. I wonder if they will use this incident as a point in their favor.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I wonder what kind of debates are happening in Japan right now. They are very dedicated to their pacifist ways but some hawks have been stirring up debate on getting more involved militarily in the world the past few years. I wonder if they will use this incident as a point in their favor.

I kind of hope they do, it seems that if there was ever a enemy that should unite western style civilizations, ISIS is it. Although I wonder if the Japanese have the ability to force project enough to actually aid in the fighting.

 Supertony51 wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I wonder what kind of debates are happening in Japan right now. They are very dedicated to their pacifist ways but some hawks have been stirring up debate on getting more involved militarily in the world the past few years. I wonder if they will use this incident as a point in their favor.

I kind of hope they do, it seems that if there was ever a enemy that should unite western style civilizations, ISIS is it. Although I wonder if the Japanese have the ability to force project enough to actually aid in the fighting.

The SDF has planes don't they? If Canada can send some planes figure Japan could. You know....the kind that transform into giant robots or something...

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Supertony51 wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I wonder what kind of debates are happening in Japan right now. They are very dedicated to their pacifist ways but some hawks have been stirring up debate on getting more involved militarily in the world the past few years. I wonder if they will use this incident as a point in their favor.

I kind of hope they do, it seems that if there was ever a enemy that should unite western style civilizations, ISIS is it. Although I wonder if the Japanese have the ability to force project enough to actually aid in the fighting.

The SDF has planes don't they? If Canada can send some planes figure Japan could. You know....the kind that transform into giant robots or something...

Lolz transformers

Anyway, sure they have planes, but do they have the logisical capabilites to deploy those planes to a nation like Iraq? I mean sure, if they are going to team up with nations already involved, but I imagine that the Japanese armed forces is primarily geared towards defensive capabilites. Force projection and forward deployments may present a challenge.

 Supertony51 wrote:
Although I wonder if the Japanese have the ability to force project enough to actually aid in the fighting.

Suicide vests v Kamikaze pilots

 Supertony51 wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Supertony51 wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I wonder what kind of debates are happening in Japan right now. They are very dedicated to their pacifist ways but some hawks have been stirring up debate on getting more involved militarily in the world the past few years. I wonder if they will use this incident as a point in their favor.

I kind of hope they do, it seems that if there was ever a enemy that should unite western style civilizations, ISIS is it. Although I wonder if the Japanese have the ability to force project enough to actually aid in the fighting.

The SDF has planes don't they? If Canada can send some planes figure Japan could. You know....the kind that transform into giant robots or something...

Lolz transformers

Anyway, sure they have planes, but do they have the logisical capabilites to deploy those planes to a nation like Iraq? I mean sure, if they are going to team up with nations already involved, but I imagine that the Japanese armed forces is primarily geared towards defensive capabilites. Force projection and forward deployments may present a challenge.

They've already deployed some troops to Iraq during the war. They would simply have the US help them deploy. They have the capability, there's just no appetite for anything war like in Japan.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Supertony51 wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Supertony51 wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I wonder what kind of debates are happening in Japan right now. They are very dedicated to their pacifist ways but some hawks have been stirring up debate on getting more involved militarily in the world the past few years. I wonder if they will use this incident as a point in their favor.

I kind of hope they do, it seems that if there was ever a enemy that should unite western style civilizations, ISIS is it. Although I wonder if the Japanese have the ability to force project enough to actually aid in the fighting.

The SDF has planes don't they? If Canada can send some planes figure Japan could. You know....the kind that transform into giant robots or something...

Lolz transformers

Anyway, sure they have planes, but do they have the logisical capabilites to deploy those planes to a nation like Iraq? I mean sure, if they are going to team up with nations already involved, but I imagine that the Japanese armed forces is primarily geared towards defensive capabilites. Force projection and forward deployments may present a challenge.

They've already deployed some troops to Iraq during the war. They would simply have the US help them deploy. They have the capability, there's just no appetite for anything war like in Japan.

you'd never know from some of the anime, figure they would be riding robots into battle while watching underage girls get raped by tenacle monsters.

The king cut short a visit to the United States to return home following word of Kasaesbeh's death. In a televised statement, he said the pilot's killing was an act of "cowardly terror" by a deviant group that had no relation to Islam.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/03/us-mideast-crisis-killing-idUSKBN0L71XE20150203

As usual..."They're not real Muslims!"

But anyway...commence the Islamic holy sport of killing the feth out of each other, and don't forget to have fun!

 whembly wrote:
Don't watch the video... it's... really disturbing. (watched it on mute though)

I'm surprised at the production quality...

Why? With all these European Muslims travelling abroad to join ISIS, I expect they have at least a few members now with Media degrees etc.

Just a few hours ago some talking head "expert" on Sky News said that at least 5 Muslims a day are travelling to Syria. Don't recall if he just meant France or all Europe though.

 Opera wrote:
I just don't understand why their neighbors (Qatar & Saudi) are doing so little to stop them.

I don't think either Qatar or Saudi are really in a great position, militarily to go after a camel loose from the farm, much less a terrorist organization.... For some reason I was thinking that Qatar was extremely unstable... but then remembered that that's Yemen

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

The king cut short a visit to the United States to return home following word of Kasaesbeh's death. In a televised statement, he said the pilot's killing was an act of "cowardly terror" by a deviant group that had no relation to Islam.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/03/us-mideast-crisis-killing-idUSKBN0L71XE20150203

As usual..."They're not real Muslims!"

But anyway...commence the Islamic holy sport of killing the feth out of each other, and don't forget to have fun!

Well, the king is a Muslim so he gets a vote as well. As did Lieutenant Al-Kasasbeh.

ISIS has crossed into the realm of unbelievable, cartoonish supervilliany. They are like Nod from Command & Conqueror.

Some news is saying that Jordan has already executed some of their prisoners.

One ISIS prisoner and the female AQ Suicide Bomber were executed around 2200 PST

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Last night our time

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
ISIS has crossed into the realm of unbelievable, cartoonish supervilliany. They are like Nod from Command & Conqueror.

Led by an alien posing as a mythological creature?

 Jihadin wrote:
One ISIS prisoner and the female AQ Suicide Bomber were executed around 2200 PST

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Last night our time

Reuters wrote:The prisoners were executed in Swaqa prison, 70 km (45 miles) south of Amman, just before dawn, a security source who was familiar with the case said. "They were both calm and showed no emotions and just prayed," the source added without elaborating.

Apparently they were hanged. Should have lit them on fire.

On a more serious note, dealing with enemy like this is a great reason to invest in unmanned systems. It would be nice to have an inventory of either autonomous or remotely piloted ground robots that could go there and do our bidding for us, narrowing terrorists' options significantly for striking back. The IDF dealt with this in Lebanon and Gaza - the enemy was incredibly determined to kidnap one of us for propaganda purposes. If it'd been robots though, big deal! Capture a robot...with any luck it'll just detonate itself.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

The king cut short a visit to the United States to return home following word of Kasaesbeh's death. In a televised statement, he said the pilot's killing was an act of "cowardly terror" by a deviant group that had no relation to Islam.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/03/us-mideast-crisis-killing-idUSKBN0L71XE20150203

As usual..."They're not real Muslims!"

But anyway...commence the Islamic holy sport of killing the feth out of each other, and don't forget to have fun!

The Islamists really aren't true Muslims in the sense of being religious adherents. The entire basis of Islamism comes from the likes of Wahabism and other medieval tribal sects & beliefs.

The problem is, especially in the Middle East itself, no one listens to the moderates. Until the Muslim world as a whole rejects the jihadi mindset, reform the clergy which preaches nothing but intolerance & hate for all non-Muslims and just generally wake-up and smell the fething 21st century, we're going to stay stuck in this idiotic mess.

You're asuming this is not the "reform." There is nothing to say a reform has to make something more liberal.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:

The king cut short a visit to the United States to return home following word of Kasaesbeh's death. In a televised statement, he said the pilot's killing was an act of "cowardly terror" by a deviant group that had no relation to Islam.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/03/us-mideast-crisis-killing-idUSKBN0L71XE20150203

As usual..."They're not real Muslims!"

But anyway...commence the Islamic holy sport of killing the feth out of each other, and don't forget to have fun!

The Islamists really aren't true Muslims in the sense of being religious adherents. The entire basis of Islamism comes from the likes of Wahabism and other medieval tribal sects & beliefs.

The problem is, especially in the Middle East itself, no one listens to the moderates. Until the Muslim world as a whole rejects the jihadi mindset, reform the clergy which preaches nothing but intolerance & hate for all non-Muslims and just generally wake-up and smell the fething 21st century, we're going to stay stuck in this idiotic mess.

I'd argue that there are very few true moderates in Islam, according to the Western example of moderates.

In Islam, an extremist wants to cut your head off, while a moderate wants an extremist to cut your head off even though he won't do it himself.

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse than beheading videos it does.

Honestly what can be done about these guys now?

Short of nuking them.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Just when you thought it couldn't get worse than beheading videos it does.

Honestly what can be done about these guys now?

Short of nuking them.

Well, we have been searching for a cost effective means of reducing our chemical weapons stockpile...

At this point i'm confused. On the one hand I think salting the earth would be good but then you have all those that die by simply being in the region but the other option is to let these guys get more entrenched.

I don't think putting boots on the ground is the answer because feth that mess.

Damn you empathy! Damn you to hell!

 Medium of Death wrote:
At this point i'm confused. On the one hand I think salting the earth would be good but then you have all those that die by simply being in the region but the other option is to let these guys get more entrenched.

I don't think putting boots on the ground is the answer because feth that mess.

Damn you empathy! Damn you to hell!

What about 'sploding an EMP bomb* over ISIS' territory? Really put them back into the stone age.

*will never happen due to the fact that the EMP bomb is a "nuke bomb" and any nation using it would automatically be labeled as an international pariah.

Read an interesting article on the BBC about ISIS funding and where it gets its cash from but more importantly where do they get their weapons from? Sure theyve looted a portion from bases/areas and other factions but surely cutting off their weapon supplies is the option?

As Turkey is a supporter, that won't happen.

UAE seemed to back out of the Coalition since this past December

 Medium of Death wrote:
Just when you thought it couldn't get worse than beheading videos it does.

Honestly what can be done about these guys now?

Short of nuking them.