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 Asherian Command wrote:
nomotog wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Who is Tim Schafer again?


An idiot Designer who created fez. He is well known for being rude to a ton of people.


You have got to be joking. Tim is part of double fine. You don't know who tim shafer is?


Sorry I get the two confused sometimes they act very similar on twitter

My bad!


If you are getting people confused like that, it maybe time to get off twitter. Twitter isn't really a good place to get a impression of people and who they are. Misunderstanding happen in 140 characters of less.
   
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 Asherian Command wrote:
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Admits-40-000-Users-Were-Hacked-Whistleblower-Steps-Forward-67256.html

40,000 users you say?

(Also to be clear I am just amused by the number, given the website we are on)

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 VorpalBunny74 wrote:
 Asherian Command wrote:
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Admits-40-000-Users-Were-Hacked-Whistleblower-Steps-Forward-67256.html

40,000 users you say?

(Also to be clear I am just amused by the number, given the website we are on)


That is still a pretty big breach.

And yeah its kind of funny you say that because there are a lot of people who use twitter and just rant insecurities all the bloody time.

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http://steamcommunity.com/games/104900/announcements/detail/144435778471077850

This is quite interesting XD


And then leigh alexander. Who has been doing some extremely rude things:

http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-leigh-alexander-part-2/


I personally have been watching this and the gamer gate has changed into something extremely kind. Go onto twitter and type in #GamerGate

so far I have seen people promoting good quality arguments.







Interesting bit

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I do not understand how this still needs to be up for discussion.

Clearly there is a huge issue in gaming journalism with regards to journalistic integrity.

Clearly journalists feel that whatever abuse Zoe and Anita have claimed to experience is more important than real unbiased gaming news. They'd rather harp on making gamers look bad, demonizing them than focusing on things that matter, like actual gaming. Perhaps woman who have made great and positive contributions to the world of gaming http://i.imgur.com/m2dYABf.png

It's obvious that Zoe Quinn has lied about many aspects of this whole controversy including donations to charity.

So why the focus on who she slept with? I don't care about that. I care about her using all this attention to further her own agenda which seems to be painting male gamers in a negative light (emphasis on Anita here). As sexist creatures who couldn't possibly have any care for women because of the games they play that portray women in a negative light.

This is the crux of the issue. Journalists holding Zoe's word over anyone else because she is female and any claim she feels can be made is "clearly" genuine, fair and balanced.

This "victimization" is henceforth capitalized on by both news outlet parties and Zoe herself. SJW's feel they need to rush to her cause to defend this poor innocent woman without looking at the broader picture that she's gaining money from all this. Money she claimed several times to have donated but did not.

What if a man faced the same amount of discrimination or death threats? Or complained about half naked strong but dumb male characters that have been portrayed in gaming? What if he claimed he was raped? Would anyone care as much? The short answer would be a straight forward and direct resounding "no".
   
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 CatharsisX wrote:
I do not understand how this still needs to be up for discussion.

Clearly there is a huge issue in gaming journalism with regards to journalistic integrity.

Clearly journalists feel that whatever abuse Zoe and Anita have claimed to experience is more important than real unbiased gaming news. They'd rather harp on making gamers look bad, demonizing them than focusing on things that matter, like actual gaming. Perhaps woman who have made great and positive contributions to the world of gaming http://i.imgur.com/m2dYABf.png

It's obvious that Zoe Quinn has lied about many aspects of this whole controversy including donations to charity.

So why the focus on who she slept with? I don't care about that. I care about her using all this attention to further her own agenda which seems to be painting male gamers in a negative light (emphasis on Anita here). As sexist creatures who couldn't possibly have any care for women because of the games they play that portray women in a negative light.

This is the crux of the issue. Journalists holding Zoe's word over anyone else because she is female and any claim she feels can be made is "clearly" genuine, fair and balanced.

This "victimization" is henceforth capitalized on by both news outlet parties and Zoe herself. SJW's feel they need to rush to her cause to defend this poor innocent woman without looking at the broader picture that she's gaining money from all this. Money she claimed several times to have donated but did not.

What if a man faced the same amount of discrimination or death threats? Or complained about half naked strong but dumb male characters that have been portrayed in gaming? What if he claimed he was raped? Would anyone care as much? The short answer would be a straight forward and direct resounding "no".


If you have read this thread, many posters feel like it is about misgogny and mainly think that the issue is as described as because we hate zoe quinn. And think that is the main reason this happened. (Gamer gate that is)

Personally I think that is quite out of place, it may have been the catalyst, but it is not the main reasoning, it is that she won an award from one of the people she was sleeping with. I think that is a lack of journalistic ethics.

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 Asherian Command wrote:


If you have read this thread, many posters feel like it is about misgogny and mainly think that the issue is as described as because we hate zoe quinn.


Because that fits their narrative. They would back a rapist, fraud and charlatan and defend her regardless of evidence , just 'cause its a her. What does that say about them? Don't see them jumping to Phil Fishes or the other guys side. Its typical SJW behaviour, call everyone else sexist when they are guiltiest for it.

 CatharsisX wrote:
I do not understand how this still needs to be up for discussion.

Clearly there is a huge issue in gaming journalism with regards to journalistic integrity.

Clearly journalists feel that whatever abuse Zoe and Anita have claimed to experience is more important than real unbiased gaming news. They'd rather harp on making gamers look bad, demonizing them than focusing on things that matter, like actual gaming. Perhaps woman who have made great and positive contributions to the world of gaming http://i.imgur.com/m2dYABf.png

It's obvious that Zoe Quinn has lied about many aspects of this whole controversy including donations to charity.

So why the focus on who she slept with? I don't care about that. I care about her using all this attention to further her own agenda which seems to be painting male gamers in a negative light (emphasis on Anita here). As sexist creatures who couldn't possibly have any care for women because of the games they play that portray women in a negative light.

This is the crux of the issue. Journalists holding Zoe's word over anyone else because she is female and any claim she feels can be made is "clearly" genuine, fair and balanced.

This "victimization" is henceforth capitalized on by both news outlet parties and Zoe herself. SJW's feel they need to rush to her cause to defend this poor innocent woman without looking at the broader picture that she's gaining money from all this. Money she claimed several times to have donated but did not.

What if a man faced the same amount of discrimination or death threats? Or complained about half naked strong but dumb male characters that have been portrayed in gaming? What if he claimed he was raped? Would anyone care as much? The short answer would be a straight forward and direct resounding "no".




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 CatharsisX wrote:


So why the focus on who she slept with?


The side that sides with those women has been unable to bring up a single argument supporting their cause so instead of trying to come up with one, they keep re-firing the same strawman. Rule of thumb: if you see someone arguing that this is about misogny, that person does not know anything about the entire issue and can safely be ignored for the discussion at hand.

   
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At this point I don't even engage in conversations with anyone that tries muddying the water with that junk. They just want you to keep repeating yourself so it validates their insanity. If they keep saying it enough they believe it.

Its the cognitive dissonance they suffer from.

Plus there is #Notyourshield and the SJWs claiming they are sock puppet accounts. They will ignore everything that challenges their narrative.

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 Mechanical Crow wrote:
At this point I don't even engage in conversations with anyone that tries muddying the water with that junk. They just want you to keep repeating yourself so it validates their insanity. If they keep saying it enough they believe it.

Its the cognitive dissonance they suffer from.

Plus there is #Notyourshield and the SJWs claiming they are sock puppet accounts. They will ignore everything that challenges their narrative.


Exactly.

Their narratives are driving them ever onwards. Ignoring the festering weeds that sprout in their gardens on high

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 Mechanical Crow wrote:
At this point I don't even engage in conversations with anyone that tries muddying the water with that junk.

Does that mean you will have to stop engaging conversation with yourself? Oh, groovy.
Because you sure do not look interested by any corruption in video games that is not directly linked to “SJW”.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Mechanical Crow wrote:
At this point I don't even engage in conversations with anyone that tries muddying the water with that junk.

Does that mean you will have to stop engaging conversation with yourself? Oh, groovy.
Because you sure do not look interested by any corruption in video games that is not directly linked to “SJW”.


Huh. That adds so much to this conversation with are all having

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 CatharsisX wrote:
I do not understand how this still needs to be up for discussion.

Clearly there is a huge issue in gaming journalism with regards to journalistic integrity.

Clearly journalists feel that whatever abuse Zoe and Anita have claimed to experience is more important than real unbiased gaming news. They'd rather harp on making gamers look bad, demonizing them than focusing on things that matter, like actual gaming. Perhaps woman who have made great and positive contributions to the world of gaming http://i.imgur.com/m2dYABf.png

It's obvious that Zoe Quinn has lied about many aspects of this whole controversy including donations to charity.

So why the focus on who she slept with? I don't care about that. I care about her using all this attention to further her own agenda which seems to be painting male gamers in a negative light (emphasis on Anita here). As sexist creatures who couldn't possibly have any care for women because of the games they play that portray women in a negative light.

This is the crux of the issue. Journalists holding Zoe's word over anyone else because she is female and any claim she feels can be made is "clearly" genuine, fair and balanced.

This "victimization" is henceforth capitalized on by both news outlet parties and Zoe herself. SJW's feel they need to rush to her cause to defend this poor innocent woman without looking at the broader picture that she's gaining money from all this. Money she claimed several times to have donated but did not.

What if a man faced the same amount of discrimination or death threats? Or complained about half naked strong but dumb male characters that have been portrayed in gaming? What if he claimed he was raped? Would anyone care as much? The short answer would be a straight forward and direct resounding "no".


And clearly people in this very thread keep banging on about how it isn't about Quin and Sarkeesian except that the constant banging on about them is justified because they are being defended because they are women who are not being attacked and there isn't any misogynism in the games industry so the defence is unfair.

Can people not see how circular the argument is? Can people not see how irrelevant it is to what people claim to be the key issue?

We all know there is a nasty amount of misogynism in the games industry and on the internet in general. If people want to people to take the games journalism complaint seriously, drop any mention of Quin and Sarkeesian, and concentrate on actually relevant journalistic issues.

Every time people attack games journalists for defending Quin and Sarkeesian, they make me think they are a misogynist.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
 CatharsisX wrote:
I do not understand how this still needs to be up for discussion.

Clearly there is a huge issue in gaming journalism with regards to journalistic integrity.

Clearly journalists feel that whatever abuse Zoe and Anita have claimed to experience is more important than real unbiased gaming news. They'd rather harp on making gamers look bad, demonizing them than focusing on things that matter, like actual gaming. Perhaps woman who have made great and positive contributions to the world of gaming http://i.imgur.com/m2dYABf.png

It's obvious that Zoe Quinn has lied about many aspects of this whole controversy including donations to charity.

So why the focus on who she slept with? I don't care about that. I care about her using all this attention to further her own agenda which seems to be painting male gamers in a negative light (emphasis on Anita here). As sexist creatures who couldn't possibly have any care for women because of the games they play that portray women in a negative light.

This is the crux of the issue. Journalists holding Zoe's word over anyone else because she is female and any claim she feels can be made is "clearly" genuine, fair and balanced.

This "victimization" is henceforth capitalized on by both news outlet parties and Zoe herself. SJW's feel they need to rush to her cause to defend this poor innocent woman without looking at the broader picture that she's gaining money from all this. Money she claimed several times to have donated but did not.

What if a man faced the same amount of discrimination or death threats? Or complained about half naked strong but dumb male characters that have been portrayed in gaming? What if he claimed he was raped? Would anyone care as much? The short answer would be a straight forward and direct resounding "no".


And clearly people in this very thread keep banging on about how it isn't about Quin and Sarkeesian except that the constant banging on about them is justified because they are being defended because they are women who are not being attacked and there isn't any misogynism in the games industry so the defence is unfair.

Can people not see how circular the argument is? Can people not see how irrelevant it is to what people claim to be the key issue?

We all know there is a nasty amount of misogynism in the games industry and on the internet in general. If people want to people to take the games journalism complaint seriously, drop any mention of Quin and Sarkeesian, and concentrate on actually relevant journalistic issues.

Every time people attack games journalists for defending Quin and Sarkeesian, they make me think they are a misogynist.


Interesting,

But I have only complained of the twos actions.

I mean I mention only as a starting point.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
 CatharsisX wrote:
I do not understand how this still needs to be up for discussion.

Clearly there is a huge issue in gaming journalism with regards to journalistic integrity.

Clearly journalists feel that whatever abuse Zoe and Anita have claimed to experience is more important than real unbiased gaming news. They'd rather harp on making gamers look bad, demonizing them than focusing on things that matter, like actual gaming. Perhaps woman who have made great and positive contributions to the world of gaming http://i.imgur.com/m2dYABf.png

It's obvious that Zoe Quinn has lied about many aspects of this whole controversy including donations to charity.

So why the focus on who she slept with? I don't care about that. I care about her using all this attention to further her own agenda which seems to be painting male gamers in a negative light (emphasis on Anita here). As sexist creatures who couldn't possibly have any care for women because of the games they play that portray women in a negative light.

This is the crux of the issue. Journalists holding Zoe's word over anyone else because she is female and any claim she feels can be made is "clearly" genuine, fair and balanced.

This "victimization" is henceforth capitalized on by both news outlet parties and Zoe herself. SJW's feel they need to rush to her cause to defend this poor innocent woman without looking at the broader picture that she's gaining money from all this. Money she claimed several times to have donated but did not.

What if a man faced the same amount of discrimination or death threats? Or complained about half naked strong but dumb male characters that have been portrayed in gaming? What if he claimed he was raped? Would anyone care as much? The short answer would be a straight forward and direct resounding "no".


And clearly people in this very thread keep banging on about how it isn't about Quin and Sarkeesian except that the constant banging on about them is justified because they are being defended because they are women who are not being attacked and there isn't any misogynism in the games industry so the defence is unfair.

Can people not see how circular the argument is? Can people not see how irrelevant it is to what people claim to be the key issue?

We all know there is a nasty amount of misogynism in the games industry and on the internet in general. If people want to people to take the games journalism complaint seriously, drop any mention of Quin and Sarkeesian, and concentrate on actually relevant journalistic issues.

Every time people attack games journalists for defending Quin and Sarkeesian, they make me think they are a misogynist.


So, as a woman who is doing the same, does this make me a misogynist?
   
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 CatharsisX wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
 CatharsisX wrote:
I do not understand how this still needs to be up for discussion.

Clearly there is a huge issue in gaming journalism with regards to journalistic integrity.

Clearly journalists feel that whatever abuse Zoe and Anita have claimed to experience is more important than real unbiased gaming news. They'd rather harp on making gamers look bad, demonizing them than focusing on things that matter, like actual gaming. Perhaps woman who have made great and positive contributions to the world of gaming http://i.imgur.com/m2dYABf.png

It's obvious that Zoe Quinn has lied about many aspects of this whole controversy including donations to charity.

So why the focus on who she slept with? I don't care about that. I care about her using all this attention to further her own agenda which seems to be painting male gamers in a negative light (emphasis on Anita here). As sexist creatures who couldn't possibly have any care for women because of the games they play that portray women in a negative light.

This is the crux of the issue. Journalists holding Zoe's word over anyone else because she is female and any claim she feels can be made is "clearly" genuine, fair and balanced.

This "victimization" is henceforth capitalized on by both news outlet parties and Zoe herself. SJW's feel they need to rush to her cause to defend this poor innocent woman without looking at the broader picture that she's gaining money from all this. Money she claimed several times to have donated but did not.

What if a man faced the same amount of discrimination or death threats? Or complained about half naked strong but dumb male characters that have been portrayed in gaming? What if he claimed he was raped? Would anyone care as much? The short answer would be a straight forward and direct resounding "no".


And clearly people in this very thread keep banging on about how it isn't about Quin and Sarkeesian except that the constant banging on about them is justified because they are being defended because they are women who are not being attacked and there isn't any misogynism in the games industry so the defence is unfair.

Can people not see how circular the argument is? Can people not see how irrelevant it is to what people claim to be the key issue?

We all know there is a nasty amount of misogynism in the games industry and on the internet in general. If people want to people to take the games journalism complaint seriously, drop any mention of Quin and Sarkeesian, and concentrate on actually relevant journalistic issues.

Every time people attack games journalists for defending Quin and Sarkeesian, they make me think they are a misogynist.


So, as a woman who is doing the same, does this make me a misogynist?


Hahaha. Oh god. I am sorry, but I can't help but laugh.

That is the logic of the journalist right now. "Your a misogynist!"

"I'm a woman."

"You're Still a Misogynist!"

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As a woman who is not a misogynist, as you may seem to paint everyone who shares my views, I'll continue to fight for what I feel is correct.

Zoe Quinn admitted to crashing Matti Leshams game jam, she admitted to hacking TFYC because she has a disagreement with her, she is responsible for mass censorship, she has been accepting money into her personal paypal account for a game jam she hasn't updated since march.

You don't think that maybe the journalists should be writing a story on this rather then protecting her? How about Phil Fish? The racketeering and fraud of FEZ that netted numerous journalists, judges and devs thousands of dollars? How about Devin Faraci who doxxes women who say anything to him on twitter and calls gamers terrorists who then is backed by Anita Sarkeesian. Isn't this more important than all this idiotic witch hunt?

Do you think people that call gamers "gak" should be writing for gaming journalism? Do you think a person that writes nasty things about gamers then closes her comments and throws threats out should be writing articles that gamers are dead while months ago got a massive payout from racketeering?

You cannot pretend her gender is not what is causing SJW to defend her and the gak gaming journalists are spewing forth. Even down to the rape she committed, as I previously mentioned, would be a crime if the gender situation was flipped.

Defend Zoe if you want, but know the issues at hand and the more important things that should be reported on.
   
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 CatharsisX wrote:
As a woman who is not a misogynist, as you may seem to paint everyone who shares my views, I'll continue to fight for what I feel is correct.

Zoe Quinn admitted to crashing Matti Leshams game jam, she admitted to hacking TFYC because she has a disagreement with her, she is responsible for mass censorship, she has been accepting money into her personal paypal account for a game jam she hasn't updated since march.

You don't think that maybe the journalists should be writing a story on this rather then protecting her? How about Phil Fish? The racketeering and fraud of FEZ that netted numerous journalists, judges and devs thousands of dollars? How about Devin Faraci who doxxes women who say anything to him on twitter and calls gamers terrorists who then is backed by Anita Sarkeesian. Isn't this more important than all this idiotic witch hunt?

Do you think people that call gamers "gak" should be writing for gaming journalism? Do you think a person that writes nasty things about gamers then closes her comments and throws threats out should be writing articles that gamers are dead while months ago got a massive payout from racketeering?

You cannot pretend her gender is not what is causing SJW to defend her and the gak gaming journalists are spewing forth. Even down to the rape she committed, as I previously mentioned, would be a crime if the gender situation was flipped.

Defend Zoe if you want, but know the issues at hand and the more important things that should be reported on.



Agreed. If it was a dude. They would not be jumping to his defense. In this case it is good ole sexism.

Not Misogyny.

And are you talking to Killkrazy

Because I agree completely, hell I support gamersgate.


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 Kilkrazy wrote:

Every time people attack games journalists for defending Quin and Sarkeesian, they make me think they are a misogynist.


That says more about you than about those doing so.

   
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And it also shows a lack of understanding of the word "misogyny".

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 CatharsisX wrote:
Do you think people that call gamers "gak" should be writing for gaming journalism?

Yes. Yes of course. It can only lead to hilarity!

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 Sigvatr wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:

Every time people attack games journalists for defending Quin and Sarkeesian, they make me think they are a misogynist.


That says more about you than about those doing so.


Maybe so but the point is there is a degree of serious misogyny in games, so it is perfectly natural to see it in the actions of people who keep referring to tangential matters that involve some of the few women who are prominent in games.

The argument is circular. People feel it is legitimate to attack these women because they are being defended by games journalists (the spawn of Satan) who are defending them indefensibly because they are women. Or else it is an attack on journalists who defend women in games.

Either way it seems misogynist. Aren't there some real examples of corrupt games journalism to attack?

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People attack these people because they made up stories and continously provoke others on purpose while hiding behind the mask of misogny victims. If anything, they are the ones spreading sexism by using their gender as a defense mechanism and mean to diffamate others with legimitate claims.

How many other women in gaming have received so much hate?

They get offended because they hit a bee hive with a stick and then try to falsely victimize themselves.

This isn't about misogny, at all. Are there misognists out there who use the entire thing as a reason to lash out at them? Sure. But if you claim that misogny is a part of Gamergate, then you do not understand the issue.

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The argument is still circular.

People are attacking these women on the grounds that they defended themselves falsely against attacks on them as women. Then people attack journalists who defend these women against such attacks. None of it is about games journalism. All of it is centered around the identity of the women as women.

What if people would just ignore them and take up the cudgels against some other targets in games journalism?

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 Mechanical Crow wrote:
They would back a rapist, fraud and charlatan and defend her regardless of evidence , just 'cause its a her. What does that say about them? Don't see them jumping to Phil Fishes or the other guys side. Its typical SJW behaviour, call everyone else sexist when they are guiltiest for it.


I don't think you understand something very important here: it is possible for both sides to be wrong. Pointing out the problems with how someone is being treated does NOT mean defending everything that they have done. It is entirely possible for someone to be both a victim of misogynistic attitudes and a corrupt .

And had a good laugh at this:


Obviously not all villians are men, but there is a lot.


And this just continues to prove that it isn't really about honesty in gaming journalism. Every time you post stuff about how "SJWs and feminists ruin everything" you make it obvious that honesty in journalism is nothing more than a flimsy pretense to hide behind.

(And of course, like every other "feminists ruin everything" argument presented so far, this one is laughably wrong. But I doubt there's any point in trying to explain why to you, since you'll just complain and label me a "SJW" as if that's a proper substitute for a real argument.)

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:

Every time people attack games journalists for defending Quin and Sarkeesian, they make me think they are a misogynist.


That says more about you than about those doing so.


Maybe so but the point is there is a degree of serious misogyny in games, so it is perfectly natural to see it in the actions of people who keep referring to tangential matters that involve some of the few women who are prominent in games.

The argument is circular. People feel it is legitimate to attack these women because they are being defended by games journalists (the spawn of Satan) who are defending them indefensibly because they are women. Or else it is an attack on journalists who defend women in games.

Either way it seems misogynist. Aren't there some real examples of corrupt games journalism to attack?


I'm sorry, what? All the allegations against Zoe have nothing to do with her gender. Now yes, this blowout started from the whole cheating thing that got out. But that rapidly led to people finding out about stuff that has nothing to do with her gender. These allegations would be just as valid were she a man or anything in between, fraud is still fraud if you're a woman.

I don't see how the argument is circular either, people have found lot's of proof of these people commiting fraud and worse, journalists defending this aren't being attacked because they are defending a woman, they are being attacked because they are defending out right corruption that they themselves appear to be part of.

Just because there is a vocal minority being genuinely misogynistic doesn't mean that's what's actually going on here. Because by that logic religious extremists would also be regarded as representatives of their faith.

The other problem is that they have been slinging around completely generalised insults. Calling ALL gamers Terrorists, Nazi's, women haters, racists etc. is not appreciated.
   
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 Soladrin wrote:
I'm sorry, what? All the allegations against Zoe have nothing to do with her gender.

That is quite interesting. Now explain to me how the allegation about Anita are linked to corrupt journalism?
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The other problem is that they have been slinging around completely generalised insults. Calling ALL gamers Terrorists, Nazi's, women haters, racists etc. is not appreciated.

Why did I not care about that? I surely am a gamer, and yet I did not care.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
That is quite interesting. Now explain to me how the allegation about Anita are linked to corrupt journalism?


They're not. She has nothing to do with GamerGate outside of the fact that a number of the 10 articles (ie. those that came out within a 48 hour period attacking gamers directly) used Anita as a shield.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Why did I not care about that? I surely am a gamer, and yet I did not care.


You don't care about any of this. You're just here to stir up gak, act ignorant when you know damn well what's what, and get the thread closed.

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