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That formation is locked to the Vraks units and only for the devotion I mention. Is scoring. Those units always come back every time with that devotion anyway, your odds just improve with that formation.

Thanks for the clarification....sounds like it's a detachment not a formation? From your description it seems like you lose Objective Secured from a CAD, but you buff the Master of the Hordes ability (assuming that's what you took). Still wondering whether they changed the wording of the Master of the Horde to say "Ongoing Reserves? instead of "Reserves" but I guess if they copy-pasted it, then sadly probably not...

How much more expensive are platoons per model, since they come with BS3/WS3 base? In IA13 it's a little different since it's a flat squad upgrade...

What are the two DKoK special formations/detachments?

With 'Tempest' on the horizon I have been re-listening to Mark of Calth.
I am keen to grab an Arkurian Pattern Shadowsword from Forgeworld for my Krieg but are there any thoughts in regard to a new (or old 30k) Shadowsword model?
I imagine we might see a Ventanus model in the near future considering he is the Saviour of Calth. With the Solar Auxilia Stormhammer teased I imagine a 30k version Shadowsword may have the same aesthetic.
The book mentions an Imperialis Auxilia Shadowsword that Ventanus rides- i'm presuming this is Solar Auxilia in the ForgeWorld books? I haven't read 'Conquest' so not sure how the Solar Auxilia fit into the Imperial Army and the battle of Calth.

DominusLimum wrote:
I am keen to grab an Arkurian Pattern Shadowsword from Forgeworld for my Krieg but are there any thoughts in regard to a new (or old 30k) Shadowsword model?

I wouldn't bet on it. There aren't even any rumors about one, and the book pictures use the existing Arkurian-pattern model. Plus, it doesn't make much sense given that the Stormhammer is pretty much another Arkurian-pattern tank already. I don't think there's enough room to make major changes that would get people to buy another Shadowsword variant, especially when they could make an entirely new tank instead.

Cheers Peregrine. Makes sense, so 'Conquest' has a Solar Auxilia Shadowsword in it?

DominusLimum wrote:
I am keen to grab an Arkurian Pattern Shadowsword from Forgeworld for my Krieg...

Seems like an awful lot of money to get something that's already in plastic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems like an awful lot of money to get something that's already in plastic.

It's only "already in plastic" if you don't mind having the uglier version of the model. That's fine if you just want a game piece that is WYSIWYG and may or may not even bother painting it, but the Arkurian pattern is a much better design IMO.


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DominusLimum wrote:
Cheers Peregrine. Makes sense, so 'Conquest' has a Solar Auxilia Shadowsword in it?

It does, but it's just the standard one you can find everywhere else.

 Peregrine wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Seems like an awful lot of money to get something that's already in plastic.

It's only "already in plastic" if you don't mind having the uglier version of the model. That's fine if you just want a game piece that is WYSIWYG and may or may not even bother painting it, but the Arkurian pattern is a much better design IMO.


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DominusLimum wrote:
Cheers Peregrine. Makes sense, so 'Conquest' has a Solar Auxilia Shadowsword in it?

It does, but it's just the standard one you can find everywhere else.

The plastic version doesn't fit the Death Korps super heavy filters either. Not a huge deal, but if you want everything to look nice and OCD, it can be a problem. I didn't catch that until i had already bought the plastic version. Since the Solar Auxilla is using Death Korps equipment, I would recommend to anyone potentially wanting to play Auxilla in 30K to pick up the forge world version in case you want it to match the mars pattern armor. All this aside from its much more pleasing appearance.

The frontal mud guards, the cannon... "girth," cannon travel lock, elements of the gun casemate, and the entire rear deck (almost the entire back 1/4 of the tank) are different on the forge world version. If hobby equals gameplay to anyone considering either tank, the forge world super heavies, to me, are preferential.

The Auxilla shadowswords featured in conquest are the current forge world models with the death korps super heavy filter set added. The baneblades are the plastic versions.

 Peregrine wrote:
It's only "already in plastic" if you don't mind having the uglier version of the model.

Thanks Mr. Subjective-is-a-word-alien-to-me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Thanks Mr. Subjective-is-a-word-alien-to-me.

Thanks Mr. Hypocritically-whine-about-subjectiveness-after-complaining-that-a-model-is-a-waste-of-money. Now that we've both made our non-constructive posts for the day can we get back on topic?

Any word on his release date? Not the book, the model.

Probably within a week or two of the next book.

 Lobukia wrote:
Any word on his release date? Not the book, the model.

he'll be available in person at the warhammer world re opening along with book v. No confirmation when he or the book go on general sale.

Got it, thanks

Virules wrote:
Thanks for the clarification....sounds like it's a detachment not a formation? From your description it seems like you lose Objective Secured from a CAD, but you buff the Master of the Hordes ability (assuming that's what you took). Still wondering whether they changed the wording of the Master of the Horde to say "Ongoing Reserves? instead of "Reserves" but I guess if they copy-pasted it, then sadly probably not...

How much more expensive are platoons per model, since they come with BS3/WS3 base? In IA13 it's a little different since it's a flat squad upgrade...

Its a detachment, poor phrasing on my part. The rule is clearly written to cover anything going back into reserves for the recycling special rule, very clearly doesn't give that rule to anything that doesn't already have it.

As mentioned in my side by side comparision of the two books, troops are exactly the same in everyway. My initial thoughts were based on what I (mis)remembered from IA13.

DominusLimum wrote:

The book mentions an Imperialis Auxilia Shadowsword that Ventanus rides- i'm presuming this is Solar Auxilia in the ForgeWorld books? I haven't read 'Conquest' so not sure how the Solar Auxilia fit into the Imperial Army and the battle of Calth.

Imperialis Auxilia and Solar Auxilia could happily be two different things. The Solar Auxilia is essentially a pattern of regimental organisation that was popular during the Great Crusade - so while the pattern was developed in the Solar system, the regiments could be raised anywhere, with standardised doctrines and equipment.

There were tons of other regiments, regimental patterns, and probably things that might be called 'Auxilia' units too. Having said that, I'm sure some Solar Auxilia units will turn up in the Calth books, just because FW are producing them now...!

I have no doubt FW is repeating what they did with the Mechanicum by producing for the Imperial army a number of lists that build upon each other, each representing a broader and broader force. First we had the Ordo Reductor list, the Legio Cybernetica, and then finally the Tagmatta Omnissiah. Now we have Solar Aulia, then Imperalis Auxilia... And we'll probably get a third.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:


Death Rider Squadron - Battleforged Detachment
Gorgon Assault Squadron - Battleforged Detachment

I think those were already there as apoc formations.

I've never seen them anywhere. Where did you see these two detachments?

If I recall correctly, the "Imperial Auxilia" is just the name for the Imperial Army in the Great Crusade, a catch-all phrase for their otherwise enormous variety and non-standardized forces, the Solar Auxilia being the elite and most-standardized element of them, akin to a larger version of the Storm Troopers of the 41st millenium.

Now, the rumours were that the Imperial Army would heavily draw upon existing 40k ranges rather than having FW invest in a bunch new Guard-equivalent lines (different regiments requiring a lot more work, and models, than the Legions) with specific models to expand upon them or otherwise add the 30k flair. I'm interested to see what comes of that, especially as the idea is very non-GW as it basically is "use your favourite guard-equivalent models," which from a hobby aspect is awesome, and will certainly add some visual diversity to 30k if true, and makes sense from a production side of thing, but is anathema to GW corporate thought.

Colour me interested, at any rate. Maybe my Death Korps can fight in the better Warhammer ruleset....

 aka_mythos wrote:
I have no doubt FW is repeating what they did with the Mechanicum by producing for the Imperial army a number of lists that build upon each other, each representing a broader and broader force. First we had the Ordo Reductor list, the Legio Cybernetica, and then finally the Tagmatta Omnissiah. Now we have Solar Aulia, then Imperalis Auxilia... And we'll probably get a third.

Solar Auxilia are their own force, like Stormtroopers in 40k. The force coming in Book V is more like PDF forces, less elite than the SA. So I think it's different to the way they did the Mechanicum.

 Peregrine wrote:
What are the two DKoK special formations/detachments?

At the bottom of the first column on the table of contents, as seen here:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/VRAKS-CONTENTS.jpg

You'll notice that Krieg has two detachments, "Krieg Death Rider Squadron - Battle-Forged Detachment" and "Krieg Gorgon Assault Squadron - Battle-Forged Detachment".

I believe the list on the table of contents reveal all the units they intend to be used with a DKoK Siege army. As I mentioned the other day, I find it a little odd that they've left out aircraft.

FW were asked about the imperial army lists that they have in production. Apparently only the Solar Aux. use a standard template and became imperial guard by 41st century. The other armies are localised to their region and follow their own pattern with very different look and feel. Tallaran was discussed in the weekender with FW picking up the middle bit of the campaign covered by John French's books at some point in the future.

With Book V having a proper PDF I couldn't be more chuffed as my 40k Imperial Guard force is built and painted as a UM PDF already.

Yeah, the Calth books will feature Imperial Militia, which is, I suppose, the proto PDF.

 aka_mythos wrote:
...First we had the Ordo Reductor list, the Legio Cybernetica, and then finally the Tagmatta Omnissiah. Now we have Solar Aulia, then Imperalis Auxilia... And we'll probably get a third.

sorry to be technical here (I'm an engineer, I can't help it) but the Ordo Reductor wasn't a list until book two came out and allowed its units to be used as one; the 'Ordo Reductor list' was included as an allied detachment (never intended to be fielded on it's own) for a loyalist player.

honestly, I'm just bitter that the whole Ordo Reductor has to be the shattered remnants of the Isstvan atrocity.

Must point out, I love Girlyman. I know will still be any wip however believe he or she appears great. Be intriguing to determine exactly how this individual turns out.

 Looky Likey wrote:
FW were asked about the imperial army lists that they have in production. Apparently only the Solar Aux. use a standard template and became imperial guard by 41st century. The other armies are localised to their region and follow their own pattern with very different look and feel. Tallaran was discussed in the weekender with FW picking up the middle bit of the campaign covered by John French's books at some point in the future.

With Book V having a proper PDF I couldn't be more chuffed as my 40k Imperial Guard force is built and painted as a UM PDF already.

Honestly while I like both the look and fiction for the Solar Auxilia, I won't be particularly invested in the Army/Guard aspect of FW's Heresy series until/if they start doing the interesting forces like the Geno-52 Chiliad and the Lucifer Blacks.

I know this may be a little late but I recently bought IA13 (the renegades one) & I can't find the stats for all but 1 of the titan weapons. I found a couple in the main rule book but not all.
Anyone know if this has been discussed, if FW know & if so, is there a PDF flying around somewhere with this info?
I also have this problem with the HH book 'THE HORUS HERESY LEGIONES ASTARTES: CRUSADE ARMY LIST' (here) which doesn't have the weapon stats for the 2 Mechanicum units.
I know I have the 1st 2 big HH books so I can dig out the stats but that's not the point.
The books should contain all the rules you need to run the units in them - not rely on the customer maybe having other FW books with this info in it. & re the titan weapons, with all the rules changes recently, how do I know if my other books contain up-to-date stats anyway??
If I can find 5 minutes I will be complaining to FW's editor as this is ridiculous.

gasdg wrote:
Must point out, I love Girlyman. I know will still be any wip however believe he or she appears great. Be intriguing to determine exactly how this individual turns out.

He or she..? Guilliman is definitely a he.

I have trust that the Primarch of the Ultramarines will be a great model ... but I am still sad that Dorn is not one of the next primarchs to be released ...