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 Looky Likey wrote:

Virules wrote:
Thanks for the clarification....sounds like it's a detachment not a formation? From your description it seems like you lose Objective Secured from a CAD, but you buff the Master of the Hordes ability (assuming that's what you took). Still wondering whether they changed the wording of the Master of the Horde to say "Ongoing Reserves? instead of "Reserves" but I guess if they copy-pasted it, then sadly probably not...

How much more expensive are platoons per model, since they come with BS3/WS3 base? In IA13 it's a little different since it's a flat squad upgrade...

Its a detachment, poor phrasing on my part. The rule is clearly written to cover anything going back into reserves for the recycling special rule, very clearly doesn't give that rule to anything that doesn't already have it.

As mentioned in my side by side comparision of the two books, troops are exactly the same in everyway. My initial thoughts were based on what I (mis)remembered from IA13.

Thanks a bunch. That sounds incredibly strong, even with the loss of Objective Secured. So excited. 90 guys coming back on 2+ sounds so strong.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I have no doubt FW is repeating what they did with the Mechanicum by producing for the Imperial army a number of lists that build upon each other, each representing a broader and broader force. First we had the Ordo Reductor list, the Legio Cybernetica, and then finally the Tagmatta Omnissiah. Now we have Solar Aulia, then Imperalis Auxilia... And we'll probably get a third.

Solar Auxilia are their own force, like Stormtroopers in 40k. The force coming in Book V is more like PDF forces, less elite than the SA. So I think it's different to the way they did the Mechanicum.

Those three Mechanicum armylists represent 3 entirely seperate branches of the Mechanicum's military forces, each it's own force. In this era they are all very seperate arms of the Mechanicum. FW has used their similarities to cascade and build up into a larger list. You draw the stormtrooper parallel... Stormtroopers are in both their own list and the Imperial Guard lists... And I'd bet Solar Auxilia will be likewise their own list and elites in the Imperialis Auxilia.


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 SirDonlad wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
...First we had the Ordo Reductor list, the Legio Cybernetica, and then finally the Tagmatta Omnissiah. Now we have Solar Aulia, then Imperalis Auxilia... And we'll probably get a third.

sorry to be technical here (I'm an engineer, I can't help it) but the Ordo Reductor wasn't a list until book two came out and allowed its units to be used as one; the 'Ordo Reductor list' was included as an allied detachment (never intended to be fielded on it's own) for a loyalist player.

honestly, I'm just bitter that the whole Ordo Reductor has to be the shattered remnants of the Isstvan atrocity.

Technically (I'm an engineer too) they're included in the appendix where there is nothing saying they can't be taken as their own Armylist. The Legion Armylist is the only mention of them as allies and just says that a Legion can take them as an ally. There is no restriction on them being taken standalone.

There's too much in the SA list to be elites in the Imperial Army list, whenever it comes out. And the next list is the PDF type force, which they've already said is different to SA, not elite, more numbers. So already it's different to how they did the Mechanicum.

 ImAGeek wrote:

gasdg wrote:
Must point out, I love Girlyman. I know will still be any wip however believe he or she appears great. Be intriguing to determine exactly how this individual turns out.

He or she..? Guilliman is definitely a he.

No kidding, right?



That "funny" spelling has to be one of the least funny misspellings, ever.

I HOPE it is just because "Roboute Guilliman" is, I guess, kind of hard to remember how to spell correctly?

Maybe?

I hope?

Agreed, Girlyman is one of my pet peeves. Guilliman is in my autocorrect now so it does it for me haha.

The only thing harder than spelling it is saying it!


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Plus, he is a bit of a ponce.

Row Boot Eh Gill e man

Thats how that one guy said it in that audio book

 Desubot wrote:
Row Boot Eh Gill e man

Thats how that one guy said it in that audio book

One of the audiobook narrators had it as Rowboat Goolieman, I cracked up so hard at the sound of it that the whole bus looked at me like I was mad

Assuming it's pseudo French, which it looks like, the 'guil" could actually be "gwee" so his surname could be gweeliman.

Then his first name could be row-boot, but equally could be rob-oot.

Ultimately, made up name is made up, so say it how you like, but it's a damn sight harder than Horus!

I think it is just simpler to go with rowboat girlyman.

Row, row, row your boat...gently down the warp stream.

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Sorry.

 aka_mythos wrote:

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 SirDonlad wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
...First we had the Ordo Reductor list, the Legio Cybernetica, and then finally the Tagmatta Omnissiah. Now we have Solar Aulia, then Imperalis Auxilia... And we'll probably get a third.

sorry to be technical here (I'm an engineer, I can't help it) but the Ordo Reductor wasn't a list until book two came out and allowed its units to be used as one; the 'Ordo Reductor list' was included as an allied detachment (never intended to be fielded on it's own) for a loyalist player.

honestly, I'm just bitter that the whole Ordo Reductor has to be the shattered remnants of the Isstvan atrocity.

Technically (I'm an engineer too) they're included in the appendix where there is nothing saying they can't be taken as their own Armylist. The Legion Armylist is the only mention of them as allies and just says that a Legion can take them as an ally. There is no restriction on them being taken standalone.

yeah, the appendix was intended for people to use their titans as LOW choices and we were given a single troop choice and a single unique character which couldnt join other squads! at that point it was in NO WAY intended as a standalone list i emailed them about it when i got betrayal and thats what they said - they also admitted to me at the time that the mechanicum models were much more popular than they were expecting and a full list may be around the corner (shame i didnt save that e-mail, i honestly didnt think i would ever need it!).

go get your copy of betrayal: look at caleb's entry in the bottom right on the right-hand side; theres a bit titled 'Castellan Reductor' - first line states:

"Calleb Decima is a HQ choice for an Ordo Reductor Allied Detachment, and if you are using the isstvan 3 campain, this detachment may only be chosen by the Loyalist side"

it was a massive deal for me and i went ahead and made a primary detachment from it anyway! i just made sure that if they renaged on their e-mail that i could have a sizeable reductor allied detachment with only enough marines to technically count as my primary.

I heard Alan Merritt pronounce it "Row-boo-tah Jewel-i-man" (with a very soft "j" sound, like the french "je sui").

Zingraff wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
What are the two DKoK special formations/detachments?

At the bottom of the first column on the table of contents, as seen here:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/VRAKS-CONTENTS.jpg

You'll notice that Krieg has two detachments, "Krieg Death Rider Squadron - Battle-Forged Detachment" and "Krieg Gorgon Assault Squadron - Battle-Forged Detachment".

I believe the list on the table of contents reveal all the units they intend to be used with a DKoK Siege army. As I mentioned the other day, I find it a little odd that they've left out aircraft.

Yes, I saw the table of contents, I was asking what the rules for the DKoK detachments are.

And leaving out the aircraft makes sense, if this is supposed to be a Vraks-focused list. There weren't any aircraft involved with the trench warfare, and they kind of contradict the theme of a static gunline with a horde of meatshields. Plus, it's all part of the same IG faction so you can just include a few Vendettas in your DKoK detachment even if they aren't in the DKoK army list.

Vraks did see an active air war in the later stages though.

 Peregrine wrote:


Yes, I saw the table of contents, I was asking what the rules for the DKoK [Battle-forged] detachments are.

This. Can someone provide us a general idea what the composition/rules are for these two, new DKK detachments? My imagination tells me they're awesome!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I heard Alan Merritt pronounce it "Row-boo-tah Jewel-i-man" (with a very soft "j" sound, like the french "je sui").

Based on his Chaptehouse testimony, I wouldn't trust him to get his own name correct!

 Azreal13 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I heard Alan Merritt pronounce it "Row-boo-tah Jewel-i-man" (with a very soft "j" sound, like the french "je sui").

Based on his Chaptehouse testimony, I wouldn't trust him to get his own name correct!

I don't know what you mean he was one of chapterhouse's best witnesses

 Azreal13 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I heard Alan Merritt pronounce it "Row-boo-tah Jewel-i-man" (with a very soft "j" sound, like the french "je sui".

Based on his Chaptehouse testimony, I wouldn't trust him to get his own name correct!

So... you're saying not to put any merit into Merritt's words?

Would've worked better as:

"Don't put any merit into Alan's words!"

And having said that, let's ALL move on now, yes?

Thanks!

Anyone know what sort of special Ultramarine units we might see along side their Primarch?

Guys with BALLS. BIG BALLS. BIG BALLS of ADAMANTIUM.

Probably some sort of honour guard with boarding / combat shields.

 BrookM wrote:
Probably some sort of honour guard with boarding / combat shields.

I think I heard that too ... Honor Guard. I do not know about the shields though. Ultramarines may even get more than just two elite units if I remember correctly ...

 Snrub wrote:
Anyone know what sort of special Ultramarine units we might see along side their Primarch?

A few pages back there are the shots of the WIP sculpts of the UM command squad and pictures of the proto van/sternguard unit we are getting. Even further back there are pictures from warhammerfest of the UM boarding marines with the shields. Only one I am expecting that we haven't see yet is the fancy UM terminators, there are pictures of them in the Battle for Macragge comic book, see bottom right here:



As every other legion has had them so far, no reason for UM not to be getting them as well.

 Looky Likey wrote:
As every other legion has had them so far, no reason for UM not to be getting them as well.

Well, not every legion gets a special Terminator unit ... I am especially missing the Atramentar.

Hey, maybe the new honor guard unit will mesh well with the fine cast/metal ones we have from GW, so we can mix them for our 40k forces.

A man can dream, right?

 Fireball wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
As every other legion has had them so far, no reason for UM not to be getting them as well.

Well, not every legion gets a special Terminator unit ... I am especially missing the Atramentar.

I'd expect them in the book covering their fight with the Dark Angels, otherwise you'd be getting nothing new in that book.

Alexis Pollux up for pre-order ...



http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/ALEXIS_POLUX_405TH_CAPTAIN_OF_THE_IMPERIAL_FISTS.html

It will be nice to get him and Sevatar with the same order ...

Gorgeous model, though a pity a helmet isn't included.

I didn't get chance to look at the model properly over the weekend, do we know if this model is much taller than a normal marine as he is meant to be much taller according to the books or am I misremembering?