Latest Forge World news and rumour thread : P99 Bulletin #50

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**Joyboozer**

No, all they had to do was make it a bloody "game of skill" rather than a "game of chance". You ask entrants to answer an easy question. That's it. Doing this makes it a game of skill, and as long as it's under a certain amount ( from memory about 7 grand) your golden.
It also avoids your winner being someone who dropped out of the hobby but never unsubbed. But no, as its forge world, it's time to get slowed and put your pants on your head.

**Rippy**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Was my post invisible? It is quite easy to get around these laws in Australia, I guess forge worlds comprehension skills are on par with the guys defending them.

Easy being "shell out a lot of money to pay a company to make sure it's 100% legal in all states in Australia (as all the states have their own laws that differ) not to mention file for a special permit that also costs money.

It's a lot cheaper and less of a headache to just say "fek that" and leave Aussie out of the contest.

Like I said, blame the laws involved because they're designed to keep foreign companies from easily (and cheaply) doing things like this as a method of protecting local businesses. They're basically working as designed here.

You are getting yourself confused. This is a free giveaway, which is fine and easy to deal with. Payed to enter lotteries is where it gets hard (ie the win a space marine size of models competition if you BUY something)

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Joyboozer wrote:
No, all they had to do was make it a bloody "game of skill" rather than a "game of chance". You ask entrants to answer an easy question. That's it. Doing this makes it a game of skill, and as long as it's under a certain amount ( from memory about 7 grand) your golden.
It also avoids your winner being someone who dropped out of the hobby but never unsubbed. But no, as its forge world, it's time to get slowed and put your pants on your head.

should have just read your post first, you said it better than me.

**ClockworkZion**

Rippy wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Was my post invisible? It is quite easy to get around these laws in Australia, I guess forge worlds comprehension skills are on par with the guys defending them.

Easy being "shell out a lot of money to pay a company to make sure it's 100% legal in all states in Australia (as all the states have their own laws that differ) not to mention file for a special permit that also costs money.

It's a lot cheaper and less of a headache to just say "fek that" and leave Aussie out of the contest.

Like I said, blame the laws involved because they're designed to keep foreign companies from easily (and cheaply) doing things like this as a method of protecting local businesses. They're basically working as designed here.
You are getting yourself confused. This is a free giveaway, which is fine and easy to deal with. Payed to enter lotteries is where it gets hard (ie the win a space marine size of models competition if you BUY something)

GW apparently doesn't think so. I assume their legal team is the one who made the call on that specifically though, so it's on them.

**Theophony**

Still, being an American, I'd be

pissed if it excluded people from Missouri because of some laws here. I'm sure there's at least one community that has laws against contests like this and we are not excluded. It's like a beer distributor here having a raffle but not allowing winners from xxxxxx because there's a "dry county" in the state.

They could have gotten around it, legally, but chose not to. They deserve all the

that's coming at them.

Also my attempts to get on the mailing list have failed.....not sure if that's a bad thing or not

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**STC_LogisEngine**

Alright guys, cease this childish whining, it's not news nor rumours or a discussion about FW products.

Take it and your sense of entitlement elsewhere.

**Baragash**

STC_LogisEngine wrote:
Take it and your sense of entitlement elsewhere.

Is this the non-OT version of "check your privilege"?

**H.B.M.C.**

Baragash wrote:
Is this the non-OT version of "check your privilege"?

Yup. Holds about as much weight as that useless phrase as well.

**insaniak**

Peregrine wrote:

Except we DO know their reasoning, because someone emailed FW and got them to explain it: the problem is Australian laws, not a decision by GW. If you express doubt about that explanation then you're accusing FW of lying to the person who asked.

Then yes, they're lying.

Because running this sort of competition in Australia isn't illegal. It just has to be properly registered and run according to specific rules, to make sure that it's actually fair to all entrants, and that people don't get ripped off by dodgy competitions.

Oh, and in reference to this:

xera32 wrote:
Ok sent an Email to FW about why Australia can't enter.

Hi XXXXX

Thanks for your email. Regrettably we are unable to include customers who live in Australia in our Forge World Newsletter competition as we are prohibited by Australian competition law as per the Competition and Consumer Act 2010.

If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.

Regards,
Forge World

The Competition and Consumer Act 2010 covers trade practices. It has nothing to do with contests. So they're not even referring to the right legislation.

**Rippy**

STC_LogisEngine wrote:
Alright guys, cease this childish whining, it's not news nor rumours or a discussion about FW products.

Take it and your sense of entitlement elsewhere.

we are discussing FW news, stop being rude.

**Peregrine**

insaniak wrote:
Then yes, they're lying.

Because running this sort of competition in Australia isn't illegal. It just has to be properly registered and run according to specific rules, to make sure that it's actually fair to all entrants, and that people don't get ripped off by dodgy competitions.

Then would you mind suggesting a plausible explanation for why they're really refusing to allow Australians to enter, if it isn't because Australian law somehow prevents it (or at least makes it too difficult to be worth it for such a minor contest)?

The Competition and Consumer Act 2010 covers trade practices. It has nothing to do with contests. So they're not even referring to the right legislation.

And a "win a titan" contest used as a marketing tool is a trade practice. I'm not going to dig through the entire act looking for something that obviously prevents it (as if I'd be able to figure it out anyway, not being a lawyer or familiar at all with Australian law), but it could be one of those situations where GW doesn't meet the requirements to run a promotional contest. For example, various states/countries/etc have anti-monopoly laws that limit a manufacturer's own retail stores to compete with third-party retail stores selling their products, and something in those limits might exclude giving away prizes.

**ClockworkZion**

Screw it, I'm adopting a new explination: Australia can't enter because they lost the Emu War.

Seriously though, if you have a complaint about it I'd take it up with FW and GW. Enough complaints may lead to a change in policy, if not for this contest but future ones.

**Rippy**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Screw it, I'm adopting a new explination: Australia can't enter because they lost the Emu War.

Seriously though, if you have a complaint about it I'd take it up with FW and GW. Enough complaints may lead to a change in policy, if not for this contest but future ones.

I already wrote them a massive email displaying my frustration and disappointment in being the only country left out.

**insaniak**

Peregrine wrote:

Then would you mind suggesting a plausible explanation for why they're really refusing to allow Australians to enter, if it isn't because Australian law somehow prevents it (or at least makes it too difficult to be worth it for such a minor contest)?

'It's more effort than we want to put in' and 'It's illegal' do not mean the same thing...

Their explanation was the latter, when the truth is far more likely the former.

And a "win a titan" contest used as a marketing tool is a trade practice. I'm not going to dig through the entire act looking for something that obviously prevents it.

Unless the prize is to merge your corporation with Forgeworld, you're unlikely to find anything...

**reds8n**

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SOLAR_AUXILIA_OGRYN_CHARONITE_SQUAD.html

Building on the already massive frame of an Ogryn, Solar Auxilia Charonite squads have been biochemically and cybernetically altered using ancient technologies, possibly of xenos origin, that have been deemed unholy by the Mechanicum. The result is a creature that will blindly follow orders, but which at the touch of a button will become a savage and near-unstoppable brute.

With the Ogryns' hands and forearms replaced by a brutal collection of mechanisms known as Charonite claws, which amplify their already fearsome strength, Ogryn Charonite squads can rip through armour plating with ease, devastating their foes in the cramped confines of boarding actions. It is little wonder then that as the wars of the Horus Heresy became ever more ferocious, Loyalist Solar Auxilia commanders increasingly turn to the creation of Charonites, particularly when facing Traitor Legiones Astartes and the forces of the Dark Mechanicum.

This is a complete resin kit which includes enough components to make three Ogryn Charonite models. The rules for using Ogryn Charonite Squads in Horus Heresy Solar Auxilia armies can be found in The Horus Heresy Book Four - Conquest.

These models are available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday 13th March.
“I care not if my troops consider me a tyrant or a saint; I care only that they obey my orders”

Lord Marshal Konstin Shillesse,
Legate Commander of the 187th Cohort
(the Death's Heads)

**bodazoka**

Forgeworld did not create a competition to garner subscribers to there news letter and deliberately leave Australia out just to be pricks.

What ever is in the legislation that prevents us being involved is the reason we are not involved. Take off the tin hats...

**ImAGeek**

I really like em, apart from the exposed face, but that's optional anyway. Maybe my future Ultramarines force could use some SA allies...

**Hanskrampf**

They are looking like Big Daddies from Bioshock. Which is not a bad thing.

**ImAGeek**

Hanskrampf wrote:
They are looking like Big Daddies from Bioshock. Which is not a bad thing.

There is a bit of a Bioshock vibe from the SA actually. I think because their void armour looks like really archaic diving suits.

**H.B.M.C.**

ImAGeek wrote:
I really like em, apart from the exposed face, but that's optional anyway.

Yeah, that was my issue as well, but they've included 3 full masks, which is really good of them.

**BrookM**

Oh man, they're amazing!

**alphaecho**

The open face reminds me of Rhino.

**NTRabbit**

bodazoka wrote:
Forgeworld did not create a competition to garner subscribers to there news letter and deliberately leave Australia out just to be pricks.

No, they created a competition and left Australia out because they were lazy

**Rippy**

Those new Ogryns are looking good. I actually quite like the open face, adds "personality" to a model.

**Paradigm**

Admittdely they are double the price, but damn, those blow the GW ones out of the water!

**insaniak**

Yup, those ogryn are the business.

The open face guy is just screaming out for a fishbowl helmet.

**Snrub**

I would buy those Ogryns for no other reason then that the braided hoses actually look like braided hose.

Not completely sold on the helmets or the big breathing pipes protruding from them. But they look relatively easy to cut away without to much hassle.

**Bishop F Gantry**

Not to keen on the gorilla suit but nice seing Ogryn gets some love, no ranged options?

**jah-joshua**

Snrub wrote:
I would buy those Ogryns for no other reason then that the braided hoses actually look like braided hose.

Not completely sold on the helmets or the big breathing pipes protruding from them. But they look relatively easy to cut away without to much hassle.

it's a small detail of the overall massive piece, but man, those braided hoses do look amazing!!!
i wonder if some madman sculpted that by hand, or if they did them in CAD...
either way, it's a brilliant touch...

cheers
jah

**BrookM**

Bishop F Gantry wrote:
Not to keen on the gorilla suit but nice seing Ogryn gets some love, no ranged options?

These are brainwashed killing machines that will attack anything on sight in a blind fury. Giving them guns would be a bad idea.

**kronk**

Nice models. They look fun to paint, or even to Ork-i-fy.