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Morgoth is definitely PJSalt right now

This thread is in danger of being packed in salt and shipped off to the mines.

Can we all maybe just drop the skimmer base argument and move on with our lives?

A TFG story: I had played a grand total of one game of WHFB, was about 15 years old and had 2000 points of dwarves.
This was the time of WH Magic, with the cardboard cards that had ridiculously powerful items on them.

So the guy invites me for a game at his place.

We setup on a table that must have been like 96" long, about 40" apart.

T1, his high elf sorcerer (ML max ? Tyrion maybe ?), equipped with two items, one that gives total power every turn and causes one unsavable wound per turn, the other that heals two wounds per turn, casts pillar of heavens or something.

He then proceeds to nuke my army without any chance for me to retaliate.

My dwarves try to march across the field, but 6" per turn doesn't prove to be very effective, and by the time the high elven cavalry is there, the high elf mage had killed at least half my army.

I don't think I realized what happened back then, but that guy was TFG that day.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Not much to tell. Apart the fact new gamers around here all want to start with Space Wolves rules and I used to play Eldar with them... not all enjoyed the game

Yeah, it's no fun if your power armored opponents didn't have a chance.

OMFG this is hillarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_UXan8lQa4

"the borrower" segment was hilarious.

I actually caught my opponent stacking the tactical objective deck. I thought it was strange that he always seemed to draw the objective I had moved away from. Turns out while I was focused on moving my models, he was looking through a second set of tactical objectives and putting the objective he would need on top of the deck. It took a tremendous amount of self control not to just deck the guy.

Instead, I calmly packed up and left without saying another word to him.

The store was having another beginners game.

Now normally people have pretty tame units as it is a beginners game so you get Dark Vengeance models, 2 Grey Hunter Squads with Bolters, some Skyclaws perhaps. You get the idea - standard units are not powerful.

So on one side against the TFG you get a grand total of two 10 man Tactical squads in Rhinos, the BaC praetor and five Cataprachtii Terminators.

The TFG has an ally of a Dunewalker thing and Skitarii Vanguard.

The TFG himself bring ten scatterbikes and ten Wraithguard with Wraithcannons. This is the toned down version as upon seeing a pair of Rhinos he tried bringing out a Wraithknight.

This is becoming what I'd call a more balanced beginner game nowadays.

I had a funny TFG experience:

Guy deep-strikes a squad with flamers near my infantry. He spends a few minutes trying to position the template correctly and declares it can proudly it X of my guys; in reality it was maybe half of that. The big issue is a terrain piece that blocks much of the unit and messed with the angle/LoS. We go back and forth for a few minutes and then ask a judge who declares that I'm right.

That wasn't enough, though. He's so convinced that he says, "Fine, but I'm going to prove I'm right." Before I can stop him, he picks up and moves MY units not in terrain away to get a better view, places the template at a new angle and says, "Ha, look, it covers them!"

"Yes, but you just removed the other units, so we'd have no way of knowing how it'd cover at that *new* angle."

He got this look of confusion followed by incredulity and then just pouted back. It was great.

I made my own thread in tactics, but the gist of it was that he brought an illegal formation, an uber-competitve list against a fun SW list. Actually had a couple people come over to the table and calling him a dick

He was also a little salty. He'd complain about his gakky rolls way too much, even though he tabled me turn 5.

Not TFG, but there was one game I had against a strangely belligrerent opponent, which peaked at the exclamation of 'bs!' when I told him his IG platoon command squad did not get armor in CC against a carnifex. It took me aback for a second, especially since models were Catachans.

Not a TFG by nature, but a strange TFG moment.

We were playing a match. I was doing well but it was still close, maelstrom at...8 to 6? Something easily come backable from.

I have sternguard near a rhino. Some sternguard can look over part of the rhino at a nearby squad (based on the nearby terrain). I get cover when they try to shoot and fail their charge.

I then try to shoot the enemy squad with the heavy flamer in this sternguard squad. It goes over the rhino somewhat but I can there's LoS from the Sternguard's head and shoulder. The opponent gets very upset and says it can't shoot through cover. After we argue about the rule, I say "well it's fine, they just won't do that and they'll just shoot normally w/o the flamer."

Doesn't matter. At that point he packed up and forfeit, being extremely angry. I seriously didn't understand what the problem was, and to this day I don't.

My Chaos Daemons verses a heavily tailored 30K Space Marine Army, The Raptors I believe. He made the army list and painted an entire 2000 point force entirely just to face off against my Chaos Daemons, which he had been unable to defeat with his Ultramarines.

Why Raptors instead of Ultra Marines I asked ? He tells me they have 2 special rules, rending on Bolter weapons if they don't move, and an extra VP for every Psyker they kill. I accuse him of tailoring his list, he denies it. My army is Fateweaver, and nothing but pink horrors and heralds of Tzeentch. There is literally nothing in my list that isn't a Psyker. We've already set up the miniatures and terrain, and I honestly figure it will be fun playing at disadvantage.

He then scouts everything up. WTF ? Okay they have that chapter tactic, like Ravens, but he didn't say that in the beggining.
I have ZERO ranged weapons, and his entire strategy is evidently to walk backwards 6" every turn, to try and stay at maximum bolter range, and collect VPs for killing stuff before the clock runs out. BTW he has nothing but bolters, regular and Heavy, to take advantage of the rending.

Turn 1, He can't really shoot anything of mine. My army is cowering behind cover, trying to summon reinforcements.
Turn 2, He moves back, shoots, and tries to claim rending. No, they moved. Dig out book, read special rule. Doesn't manage to kill anything.
Turn 3, He moves back, shoots, belly aches about not getting rending while trying to kill greater daemon with bolter fire.
Turn 4, He moves back, shoots, kills some pink horrors. Tries to claim extra VP for EACH pink horror. I insist that is insane, since they are brotherhood of psykers, ridicule him for tailoring his list again, he denies it again. I read the chapter tactics. NOTHING about extra VPs for Psykers. He tells me it's because of special character's rule. Read the Special Character's rule and..... it's an extra VP for each Psyker the SPECIAL CHARACTER KILLS IN ASSAULTS.

At this point, everyone there is amazed. He clearly tailored his list, and spent time building and painting an army around it, and he completely got the special rules and tactic wrong.

Now he want's to throw in the towel because he can't get rending and extra VPs.

I call bs and insist this donkey cave finish the game after all the crap he put me through.

I table his army, and he never again brings this, absolutley not tailored, army ever again.

Raptors are not 30k, just fyi. They do have Heavy1 rending bolters if they don't move though.

I think my favorite part of this thread so far is that you have people studiously ignoring the incredibly heated rules argument that has dipped into being totally hostile, in favor of actually sharing stories.(a good way to both vent and feel connected to like minded players.)

Normally it would be derailing the thread but here it really adds to the overall experience. I mean, you hear this story about some guy doing something awful and go 'man how can people be like that?' and then you scroll down to one of the rules debate posts and go 'oh, that's how.'

I once jokingly told a guy at my store that you could fit a Wraithknight at 500 points.

Guess what he was rolling at the next 500 point Beginners tournament. And when I asked him what he was doing he said it was just fine, after all I was the one who originally brought it up.

There's some 14 year old kid with nothing more than Start Collecting! Space Marines and a Rhino who's only played two games before and he thinks it's okay to bring a Wraithknight.

What about rending is tailored against Daemons? Seems an odd choice.

Rihgu wrote:
What about rending is tailored against Daemons? Seems an odd choice.

For ignoring their armor on 6's of course. What else would it be for?

Rihgu wrote:
What about rending is tailored against Daemons? Seems an odd choice.

He thought the AP2 from Rending would help against Greater Daemons, it doesn't. He was upset about that.

I played Orks, he brings Ultramarines.
I played Necrons, he brings Ultramarines.
I played Daemons, he brings Grey Knights or a Space Marine Chapter he thought got extra VPs for every Daemon he killed.

 Hashbeth wrote:

I have sternguard near a rhino. Some sternguard can look over part of the rhino at a nearby squad (based on the nearby terrain). I get cover when they try to shoot and fail their charge.

I then try to shoot the enemy squad with the heavy flamer in this sternguard squad. It goes over the rhino somewhat but I can there's LoS from the Sternguard's head and shoulder. The opponent gets very upset and says it can't shoot through cover. After we argue about the rule, I say "well it's fine, they just won't do that and they'll just shoot normally w/o the flamer."

You can't shoot a flamer through terrain, they require LoS. Also, you cannot hit your own Rhino with your own flamer.

I have a semi recent example of TFG behavior.

Our local games, generally speaking, do not allow for Lords of War without at very least clearing it with your opponent beforehand. Double CAD, Formations, and Fortifications are all well & good, but if you want to bring a LoW it's understood you at least let you opponent know so they can bring one themselves or plan accordingly. Note, one does not have to say what kind of LoW they're bringing, but at least tell your opponent you're bringing one.

I set a game up with an opponent I've met and gotten to know over a couple of months. He's in his early to mid 20's, and a bit on the odd side, like he's trying really hard to impress everyone he meets with how bad ass he is with regular references to his military service (National Guard) and the fact that he's a prison guard. I'll also preface that I respect the guy for his military service and work he does in the Corrections field. I also work in law enforcement as a police officer, and have just over 8 years logged in my career so far. The guy constantly compares his job to mine and insists that his job is more dangerous at regular intervals. I usually just ignore the comments, and dismiss them with a change of subject, as both jobs come with very real dangers and comparing them is, in a word, superfluous. This constant comparison is grating over time, but I'm willing to give the guy a chance in hopes that during our game he'll focus on that, and not work.

Game day arrives and I get there early to set up the table and get terrain placed out. I'm running Imperial Guard with Blood Angels allied in. No fortification or anything 'competitive'. Just a singe CAD+Allied Detachment consisting of a couple of Leman Russes as HQ's (Not Pask, I'll note just a Vanquisher commander and an Exterminator squadron mate), a couple of Chimera mounted Veteran squads, a Griffon mortar tank, with the allied BA being a 5 man tactical squad in a rhino, a jump pack Captain, and a 5 man Command Squad with some storm shields. I think the point value was 1250 points for the game if my memory serves, as it was a week day game and we weren't going to have a ton of time for a large game.

He arrives and informs me he's running pure Tempestus Scions. Cool deal, I figure it'll be an interesting game with lots of drop squads and deep striking going on. He starts to set his army out and appears to finish. I'm looking at his force and doing the math in my head, then ask: "You running a couple of flyers or something? Your list looks a little small for 1250."

He laughs and says "Oh, I forgot to get something out" as he reaches into his bag and pulls out a mostly assembled (No carapace/shoulder armor) and partially painted Imperial Knight. I cock my head to the side, and comment "I believe I asked if you were bringing any lords of war with you when we set this game up, and you told me you weren't, what gives with the Knight?" He replies "I'm almost finished painting it and wanted to try it out."

I shrug and keep setting up, letting him know that in the future he needs to at least let his opponent know if he's bringing a lord of war, as it's common courtesy at the game store and among the playerbase to inform folks if there is or isn't going to be a LoW prior to the game. He then tried to tell me that the Knight wasn't a lord of war but an allied detachment to his scions. I gave him a stern look and let him know that the Imperial Knight is in the same category as an Eldar Wraithknight as far as power level, and is a Lord of War. He grudgingly agreed with me after being confronted.

I wind up winning the game by a combination of playing keep-away with the knight and feeding it chaff units while amassing objective points while focusing down the rest of his forces. By the end of the game he has just the knight left standing with half of its hull points removed. He constantly rules lawyered as we played, and made the entire game quite unpleasant with regular smoke breaks further delaying the game between the aforementioned job/work comparisons at regular intervals while we played.

I wished him well and told him good game at the end, and have not played him since. Not going to call the guy a pure TFG, but he's certainly one I plan to avoid playing unless in a tournament format and have no way to avoid it.

That's my story. Take it easy for now.

-Red__Thirst-

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