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And, after attacks on mosques, abuse of people in the streets who weren't even Muslim (just dark skinned and bearded) and other events (people getting into Muslim schools and threatening people, etc), it has culminated in this gem http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-02/parliament-burka-rules-introduced/5786132

Long-ish article
Spoiler:
A decision to force Muslim women who cover their faces to sit in a separate glass-enclosed public gallery in Federal Parliament has been slammed by Australia's Human Rights Commissioner.

Speaker Bronwyn Bishop and Senate President Stephen Parry have approved new interim rules at Parliament House applying to anyone wearing "facial coverings".

The Department of Parliamentary Services (DPS) said: "Persons with facial coverings entering the galleries of the House of Representatives and Senate will be seated in the enclosed galleries. This will ensure that persons with facial coverings can continue to enter the chamber galleries without needing to be identifiable."

The enclosed galleries are usually used by visiting school parties.

Senator Parry told Parliament that it was a "management measure in relation to ... control of the public galleries".

'No-one sits next to me anymore'



Australian Muslim women talk about how their lives have changed amid heightened fears of Islamic extremism.
"If there is an incident or someone is interjecting from the gallery, which as senators would know happens from time to time, they need to be identified quickly and easily so they can be removed from that interjection," he said.

"Or if they are asked to be removed from the gallery - and we need to know who that person is so they cannot return to the gallery, disguised or otherwise."

Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson, who is a former head of free market think tank the Institute of Public Affairs and a Liberal Party member, said the decision was "ill-considered" and would "segregate people on the basis of what they're wearing".

"I think [it] is utterly unjustified and is based on no real evidence or reason when people have already gone through security checkpoints and have already been cleared by security," he told Sky News.

Labor senator Penny Wong asked why senators had not been consulted, and Greens leader Christine Milne said it was "appalling".

"They will be relegated to an area of the Parliament which is usually reserved for schoolchildren - behind glass, where parliamentarians don't have to see or hear them," she said.

Independent MP Andrew Wilkie likened the rule to "religious apartheid" and said it was "deeply wrong".

Islamic studies lecturer Raihan Ismail answers some common questions about Muslim veils.
"The decision by the Government to isolate, in their own rooms, burka wearers observing the Parliament has no security merit at all," he said in a statement.

The DPS said the rules would take effect immediately.

The new security controls also stipulated that anyone receiving a pass to enter the private areas of Parliament House would have to show photo ID.

"Procedures are in place to ensure that DPS Security manage any cultural or religious issues relating to this in a sensitive and appropriate manner," DPS said.

Senator Parry said "if people have a cultural or religious sensitivity in relation to this, they will be given the privacy and sensitivity that is required in relation to that identification".

A request from Liberal senator Cory Bernardi to ban "facial coverings" at security checkpoints as people enter the building is "under review".

But the senator has welcomed the interim decision.

"Parliament House is the people's building. The people who come here should feel safe," he told ABC News 24.

'No-one should be treated like a second-class citizen'

Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane criticised the new rules, tweeting that: "No-one should be treated like a second-class citizen, not least in their own parliament".

"Those who have visited Parliament will know that entry requires a person to pass through a security check," he said.

The calls by MPs to ban burkas and niqabs are creating a more divisive society, Australian academics say.
"People must pass through a metal detector and subject their personal items to an X-ray examination."

Earlier Dr Soutphommasane described calls to ban the garment as "baffling", saying they could lead to attacks against Muslims while fuelling extremist propaganda.

"There can be no room for reckless rhetoric," he said. "Unfortunately, we have been let down by some of our parliamentarians."

Dr Soutphommasane said there was no evidence burkas represented a special security risk, and any ban "may simply increase cultural tensions and social distrust".

"As for banning the burka, the proposal is baffling for a number of reasons," he said.

"It may provide fuel for extremist propaganda and assist extremists in recruiting disillusioned young Australians to their cause.

"It may also have the unedifying effect of inviting further bigotry against Muslims."

Dr Soutphommasane made the comments in a speech at the National Conference on the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Refugees in Sydney.

Recently Senator Bernardi and Palmer United Party senator Jacqui Lambie both called for burkas to be banned in public.

Yesterday Prime Minister Tony Abbott said he wished the garments were not worn in Australia, but indicated he would not support a general ban because Australia was a "free country".

In Parliament today, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten criticised those supporting a ban and faulted Mr Abbott for not speaking against his MPs.

"The Prime Minister cannot preach tolerance while allowing his colleagues to practice intolerance," Mr Shorten said.

Fears burka debate is fuelling prejudice

Dr Soutphommasane's speech followed alleged attacks on Muslims in Sydney and Melbourne and incidents which have seen Australian mosques defaced with anti-Islamic slogans.

Muslims were also being abused in "streets, parks and shops", Dr Soutphommasane said.

He said very few Muslim women in Australia wore burkas, which have grilles to conceal the eyes, though some wore niqabs, which have openings for the eyes.

"Whether the advocates have confused the burka with the niqab, or perhaps even with the hijab, is perhaps unclear," he said.


He warned there were signs "anti-Muslim bigotry" was being mistakenly directed at other minority groups, saying Sikh Australians had become targets of abuse because "people are linking turbans to terrorism".

Muslim Women's Association chief executive Maha Abdo said a ban on burkas would make some women afraid to leave their homes.

"We are pushing them back into their homes, we're pushing them away from society that we want them to be part of," she said.

She said attacks against women wearing Islamic clothing in Australia were increasing.

Seventeen-year-old Ayshia, who did not want to give her last name, said a woman tried to tear off her hijab when she got off a tram.

"She followed me and she was starting to call me names such as 'the terrorist, Osama Bin Laden' and all of these things," Ayshia told AM.

"I got off from the tram. I had to go past a park and this lady, suddenly she got sick of me and then she approached me and then she touched [my] hijab. She was going to pull it.

"It made me feel unsafe, like every time I passed a street or something I'd get a word from people saying 'terrorist' or whatever.

"I mean, I love Australia so much. I'm from Iraq and it saved me."

Ms Abdo said many attacks were often happening with children present.

"What we're getting reports of at the Muslim Women's Association is increased numbers of verbal abuse, in your local park, where your children are interacting with other children, and sometimes there's violent attacks that are taking place," she said.

Ms Abdo said the decisions of Muslim women around their dress should be respected.

"I'd call on our leadership to come down and meet with Muslim women, discuss the issues," she said.

"If it is, what they're saying, a security threat, explain to us what it is and I'm sure we can work together on that."


You keep on keeping on Australia...sigh

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I'll keep that in mind next time Australia criticizes the US for...well, pretty much anything. That's terrible.

   
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On the one hand... a covered face poses a pretty significant security risk... On the other, even FRANCE handled the issue better (or, they at least had tried to... not sure if that law passed)
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
a covered face poses a pretty significant security risk...


How?

I can understand the thinking that a full facial mask(ski mask, etc.) that's intentionally hiding a person's face could be seen that way, but how is something that is obviously a cultural face covering a security risk?

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
On the one hand... a covered face poses a pretty significant security risk... On the other, even FRANCE handled the issue better (or, they at least had tried to... not sure if that law passed)


I would usually agree with this, but the article states that to enter the galleries people have to pass a security check point and identify themselves with a visual ID document, so I'd say that at that point the security risk is pretty much null...


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 Platuan4th wrote:

I can understand the thinking that a full facial mask(ski mask, etc.) that's intentionally hiding a person's face could be seen that way, but how is something that is obviously a cultural face covering a security risk?


How do you distinguish between people that are using the veil to cover their faces for cultural / religious reasons from those that are using it to cover their faces so that they aren't recognized by security forces?

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PhantomViper wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
On the one hand... a covered face poses a pretty significant security risk... On the other, even FRANCE handled the issue better (or, they at least had tried to... not sure if that law passed)


I would usually agree with this, but the article states that to enter the galleries people have to pass a security check point and identify themselves with a visual ID document, so I'd say that at that point the security risk is pretty much null...



IIRC, in the case that France was dealing with, there were issues of burka wearing "women" refusing to even GET ID, because they "refused" to show their faces to someone other than their husbands. In much the same way, even IF they got a picture ID, they could easily refuse to lift/remove the burka from their face on account of security personnel not being Muslim or their family members. At which point it becomes basically "violate religious principles to enter into a government building's space or, keep it on no matter what"

And that is essentially what women who are forced to wear burka's will have to decide, because it really is violating their religious principle (the individual level principles, not necessarily a religious tenet) to remove their burka, or show their face to a non-Muslim.
   
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PhantomViper wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:

I can understand the thinking that a full facial mask(ski mask, etc.) that's intentionally hiding a person's face could be seen that way, but how is something that is obviously a cultural face covering a security risk?


How do you distinguish between people that are using the veil to cover their faces for cultural / religious reasons from those that are using it to cover their faces so that they aren't recognized by security forces?


Very simply. There are circumstances that a woman is allowed to uncover her face. By having an area and specific personnel set aside that meet those circumstances, you can ask them to verify their identity in a place that is comfortable to them. Anyone who refuses is a security threat and not allowed.

Will it take more time? Sure, but if you do it in a culturally and religiously acceptable and responsible way, most people won't mind.

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 Platuan4th wrote:


Will it take more time? Sure, but if you do it in a culturally and religiously acceptable and responsible way, most people won't mind.


Or, as I alluded to earlier, France had been working on that law (as I said, I cant remember if it passed or not... there was probably a thread on it here, maybe a couple years ago) that basically said, "you're free to follow your religion, but you cannot cover your face"

But it wasn't a "you can't cover your face at all" but more a "if you're in a public space, for the safety concerns of the entire public, you shall not cover your face" and it was to be equally applied to people who had the habit of not taking off their motorcycle helmets in shops, or any other situation where people may have a tendency to have a face covering.
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
On the one hand... a covered face poses a pretty significant security risk... On the other, even FRANCE handled the issue better (or, they at least had tried to... not sure if that law passed)


I would usually agree with this, but the article states that to enter the galleries people have to pass a security check point and identify themselves with a visual ID document, so I'd say that at that point the security risk is pretty much null...



IIRC, in the case that France was dealing with, there were issues of burka wearing "women" refusing to even GET ID, because they "refused" to show their faces to someone other than their husbands. In much the same way, even IF they got a picture ID, they could easily refuse to lift/remove the burka from their face on account of security personnel not being Muslim or their family members. At which point it becomes basically "violate religious principles to enter into a government building's space or, keep it on no matter what"

And that is essentially what women who are forced to wear burka's will have to decide, because it really is violating their religious principle (the individual level principles, not necessarily a religious tenet) to remove their burka, or show their face to a non-Muslim.


And I agreed with the French law, but this one is completely different, if people have already been identified before entering the galleries then it doesn't has any security implications if they cover their faces afterwards or not.

This particular law is idiotic and more than a little bit racist.
   
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PhantomViper wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
On the one hand... a covered face poses a pretty significant security risk... On the other, even FRANCE handled the issue better (or, they at least had tried to... not sure if that law passed)


I would usually agree with this, but the article states that to enter the galleries people have to pass a security check point and identify themselves with a visual ID document, so I'd say that at that point the security risk is pretty much null...



IIRC, in the case that France was dealing with, there were issues of burka wearing "women" refusing to even GET ID, because they "refused" to show their faces to someone other than their husbands. In much the same way, even IF they got a picture ID, they could easily refuse to lift/remove the burka from their face on account of security personnel not being Muslim or their family members. At which point it becomes basically "violate religious principles to enter into a government building's space or, keep it on no matter what"

And that is essentially what women who are forced to wear burka's will have to decide, because it really is violating their religious principle (the individual level principles, not necessarily a religious tenet) to remove their burka, or show their face to a non-Muslim.


And I agreed with the French law, but this one is completely different, if people have already been identified before entering the galleries then it doesn't has any security implications if they cover their faces afterwards or not.

This particular law is idiotic and more than a little bit racist.


Muslims are not a race. Its a religion.

Please stop saying discrimination against Muslims is racist. Its not.

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It's still discrimination though, which is a Bad Thing.
   
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Why are the Aussies trying to imitate what goes on in sharia compliant islamic countries already?

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I think we're all glossing over this lack of Thunderdome thing.

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Frazzled, isn't it time you get Beyond Thunderdome?

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The burka is a symbol of oppression not just because it is emblematic of Islam but because it reinforces anti-egalitarian gender divisions and promotes both active opposition to assimilation and the fragmentation of immigrant minorities into ethnic enclaves. Obviously it's questionable that someone wearing a burka is more or less likely to be a security threat, but they should not be permitted to wear it in the first place.

Turkey, a Muslim-majority country, maintained one of the most stringently and successfully secular regimes in history during the Kemalist period and they too banned the burka (as well as the male Islamic dress and other traditional headgear such as the fez) not because they were anti-Islam but because they wished to stop the abuse against women that is enabled through disgusting cultural traditions as forcing women to wear the burka. Advocates claim it is a choice to wear the burka, but the reality that Turkey (and much of North Africa, which followed similar practices in the 50s and 60s) encountered is that if it is legal to wear, then men coerce their wives and daughters into wearing it - full stop. The only countermeasure is to ban it (along with other public displays of religion), which allows women to tell their husbands that it is out of their hands and stigmatizes this irrational and barbaric treatment.

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When the Marines and Army went into the Helmand province in 2010. Quite a few Insurgents got away by wearing burqu's and posing as women. When they started trying to hide their weapons under their gown was what gave it away.

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 Kali wrote:
Advocates claim it is a choice to wear the burka,



Didn't you know? It IS a choice... for the husband


@Jihadin... must be the same guys similar to one that I helped capture, whose nickname was "Ali Kiki"
   
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 Kali wrote:
Advocates claim it is a choice to wear the burka,



Didn't you know? It IS a choice... for the husband


@Jihadin... must be the same guys similar to one that I helped capture, whose nickname was "Ali Kiki"


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Bran Dawri wrote:
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It's still discrimination though, which is a Bad Thing.

I won't dispute that this change may be motivated by bigotry, but it is not unreasonable to expect visitors to the seat of power of the entire country to not hide their identity. They wouldn't let you in wearing a mask or a motorcycle helmet, and applying the same rule to the niqab for the same reason is not discrimination.

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In a country that has a constitution that has freedom of religion but only implied freedom of speech I find this effort by "team Australia"to be highly fethed up .

Burkas are not a security risk, it's such a beat up. I suppose at least cori bernardi and jackie lambie are happy, I sure am hell am not. I do like how people in burkas have to sit next to the school kids ,if they are such a security risk, WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?

I don't see the problem with burkas . you can't see their face , least you can see their eyes. I don't know how a burka is intimidating, it's not like their voice is going through a voice changer- there you go scared individuals, you can identify someone in a burka by the sound of their voice. fething problem solved. Being scared of clothes is sad.

"Team Australia" needs a red card.

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 Kali wrote:
The burka is a symbol of oppression not just because it is emblematic of Islam but because it reinforces anti-egalitarian gender divisions and promotes both active opposition to assimilation and the fragmentation of immigrant minorities into ethnic enclaves. Obviously it's questionable that someone wearing a burka is more or less likely to be a security threat, but they should not be permitted to wear it in the first place.

Turkey, a Muslim-majority country, maintained one of the most stringently and successfully secular regimes in history during the Kemalist period and they too banned the burka (as well as the male Islamic dress and other traditional headgear such as the fez) not because they were anti-Islam but because they wished to stop the abuse against women that is enabled through disgusting cultural traditions as forcing women to wear the burka. Advocates claim it is a choice to wear the burka, but the reality that Turkey (and much of North Africa, which followed similar practices in the 50s and 60s) encountered is that if it is legal to wear, then men coerce their wives and daughters into wearing it - full stop. The only countermeasure is to ban it (along with other public displays of religion), which allows women to tell their husbands that it is out of their hands and stigmatizes this irrational and barbaric treatment.

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It's not intimidating, just 'confronting' according to 2/4 of our last PMs. Dropkicks.

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 AlexHolker wrote:
I won't dispute that this change may be motivated by bigotry, but it is not unreasonable to expect visitors to the seat of power of the entire country to not hide their identity. They wouldn't let you in wearing a mask or a motorcycle helmet, and applying the same rule to the niqab for the same reason is not discrimination.

Totally agree, that far.

It's the calls to ban people from wearing burqas on the street that I find ridiculous. Jacquie Lambie complains that it's a 'security risk' because you can't tell who is under there, and whether they're a man or a woman. By which logic we should also be banning the wearing of motorcycle helmets, hoodies and sunglasses, full-face beards, anybody I don't know, going out at night, being a long way away, or turning your back to someone.

This whole stupid little affair is nothing to do with 'national security'. It's to do with the insecurity of a bunch of conservatives who are uncomfortable about people having cultural values that differ from their own.

Hell, our Prime Minister came out and complained that he finds burqas 'confronting'.

If the fething Prime Minister of a country that makes such a big noise about our awesome multicultural society can't accept that some people dress differently to him, it's time to sink the fething island and start over.




 
   
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 insaniak wrote:
Jacquie Lambie complains


But that woman gives Bachmann and Palin a run for their money, so I think we can safely ignore everything she says, and pray that she gets removed next election.

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 insaniak wrote:
If the fething Prime Minister of a country that makes such a big noise about our awesome multicultural society can't accept that some people dress differently to him, it's time to sink the fething island and start over.

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 insaniak wrote:


This whole stupid little affair is nothing to do with 'national security'. It's to do with the insecurity of a bunch of conservatives who are uncomfortable about people having cultural values that differ from their own.

Hell, our Prime Minister came out and complained that he finds burqas 'confronting'.

If the fething Prime Minister of a country that makes such a big noise about our awesome multicultural society can't accept that some people dress differently to him, it's time to sink the fething island and start over.


exalted. I truly expect to hear press releases about this prefaced by "we live in a tolerant society..." what a fething crock. It's just clothes, why can't people deal with clothes? I mean who even goes to watch parliament (goddamn spelling) except school kids, i don't even know how this needs to be legislated.

You know what intimidates me african shirts with those cool patterns on them, they look like there are eyes staring at me in the designs - BANE them!
Fez hats are dangerous, an errant tassle could take out someones eye - BANE them.

I hereby resign from "team Australia"and am tempted to up my donkey vote from local politics and extend it to federal politics. ASIO, if you are emailing the shopping list whilst you do it can you root my phone for me?

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Oh, and by the way...

 Kali wrote:
The burka is a symbol of oppression not just because it is emblematic of Islam but because it reinforces anti-egalitarian gender divisions and promotes both active opposition to assimilation and the fragmentation of immigrant minorities into ethnic enclaves. Obviously it's questionable that someone wearing a burka is more or less likely to be a security threat, but they should not be permitted to wear it in the first place..

Do you honestly not see the hypocrisy inherent in 'saving' women from being told what they can and can't wear by implementing legislation telling them what they can and can't wear?


 
   
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 Bullockist wrote:
I hereby resign from "team Australia"and am tempted to up my donkey vote from local politics and extend it to federal politics.

That is a terrible response. If you don't like how the current mob of politicians are acting, vote against them. Find someone you don't find completely repulsive and give them your vote, whether it's the Greens, the Libertarians or the Sex Party.

"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis 
   
 
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