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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
.. these would appear to WFB specific.

Which is a terrible idea, so completely plausible.

Games Workshop: Why make more money when you can make less?

Maybe they could be used as Heralds.

Clarence wrote:
Rules wise making them Infantry is fine. Tzeentch Flamers are multi wound infantry models too. 40pt Monstrous Infantry with those stats/gear would be bananas (compare them to Trolls or Ironguts.) Making them Infantry means you won't ever see them more than 5 or 6 at a time (due to expensive ranks and crappy support attacks.) They are durable, but slow. Bountiful blades gives them some nice options in combat. Overall, I like the way they are designed.

 Player not found wrote:
Such a shame they were (mistakenly?) marked as Infantry instead of MI, that has really reduced their efficiency (5-wide minimum for a full rank and only 1 attack from the back rank? thanks but no thanks...).

That is a real shame, 'cuzz I liked 'em a lot; they'd make great Nurgle Ogres, however, so they're thankfully not totally useless.

Bless thee Onogal, seventh lord of despair!

Ironguts are 3 points more and FAR worse, I mean holy crap you get -2M, +3WS, +1BS, +1T, +3I, +1LD on them, with Chaos armor (Heavy on Ironguts), Black Orcs weapon rule, and shield is included, I can't see why anyone wouldn't take a set of these.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Clarence wrote:
Rules wise making them Infantry is fine. Tzeentch Flamers are multi wound infantry models too. 40pt Monstrous Infantry with those stats/gear would be bananas (compare them to Trolls or Ironguts.) Making them Infantry means you won't ever see them more than 5 or 6 at a time (due to expensive ranks and crappy support attacks.) They are durable, but slow. Bountiful blades gives them some nice options in combat. Overall, I like the way they are designed.

 Player not found wrote:
Such a shame they were (mistakenly?) marked as Infantry instead of MI, that has really reduced their efficiency (5-wide minimum for a full rank and only 1 attack from the back rank? thanks but no thanks...).

That is a real shame, 'cuzz I liked 'em a lot; they'd make great Nurgle Ogres, however, so they're thankfully not totally useless.

Bless thee Onogal, seventh lord of despair!

Ironguts are 3 points more and FAR worse, I mean holy crap you get -2M, +3WS, +1BS, +1T, +3I, +1LD on them, with Chaos armor (Heavy on Ironguts), Black Orcs weapon rule, and shield is included, I can't see why anyone wouldn't take a set of these.

I'm going to have to agree here.. They seem really good to me, at their pricepoint, even if they are only Infantry. MI would make them insane. You get all that AND the Mark of Nurgle on these guys...

Ironguts are core and should be weaker. But the real problem if they aren't MI is 5 to gain a rank, and only 1 support attack making them pointless in units bigger than 4. And they don't fill any role that many other WoC units can do.

xera32 wrote:
Ironguts are core and should be weaker. But the real problem if they aren't MI is 5 to gain a rank, and only 1 support attack making them pointless in units bigger than 4. And they don't fill any role that many other WoC units can do.

They were closer in cost, I could have compared them to Maneaters, but for +10 points more the Maneaters still come out with far worse stats, worse armor, worse weapons, and only have two choosable special rules.

Has to be a typo that they are 40mm and Infantry not MI? I imagine they won't bother to FAQ it and these will just be a terrible unit then! As MI these guys are pretty crazy for 40pts..

Experiment 626 wrote:
Not to mention that no plastic Greater Daemons is also a huge miss on GW's part.

Greater Daemons are a much wanted kit for a crossrange army. Better to put them out when they put out the Daemon Codex/Armybook, and try to lure some Fantasy players into 40K or vice versa. Putting them out in a Fantasy focused release would just dillute things.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
.. these would appear to WFB specific.

Which is a terrible idea, so completely plausible.

Games Workshop: Why make more money when you can make less?

They appear to be Chosen of Nurgle, and look nothing at all like Plaguebearers. I'm not sure why you think that is a terrible idea? Daemons cross the game divide, but so far nothing in Warriors of Chaos has been included in 40k.

I think comparing these guys to a small unit of chosen makes them look pretty good, even as infantry. They might lose a few attacks due to base size (depending on deployment) but get nearly twice the number of wounds.

Models look nice, I've never bought anything Nurgle but I'd be happy with a unit of these guys in my army.

*edit: initial post read too aggressively*

Having gone to great lengths in the fluff to make Beastmen a separate entity to the Chaos Legions, it would annoy me if they're going to drag them back into the fold.

The new fluff in the Beastmen army book (we hate everything) was actually pretty good and it subsequently made sense to have them as a different animal (pardon the pun) to Chaos Warriors.

 Eldarain wrote:
I'm thinking there will be a Chaotic Horde combined list akin to the Undead Legion.

It's not too early for me to start complaining about how horrible this is for the tournament scene if allowed, right? Because you know that 'Take All the Chaos!' actually means take your Nurgle daemons army and insert disc lords, chimeras and skullcrushers - assuming that GeeDub cleans up the few characterful restraints left in the Chaotic books (i.e. different mark issues, instability, etc). Time and again sheer variety has not automatically led to cool, flavorful, thematic, rewarding list/army building

- Salvage

Oh thank goodness they didn't release a bunch of Tzeentchian stuff. I might have had to buy something. #SavedByCrappyReleases

better nurgly shots from Paul Scott Miniatures on facebook

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
better nurgly shots from Paul Scott Miniatures on facebook

I don't play WFB but those are some nice minis.

Holy carp! Nurgle obits here I come!

I am 'aving a pack of those

I can only hope Tzeentch gets something equally cool.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Not to mention that no plastic Greater Daemons is also a huge miss on GW's part.

Greater Daemons are a much wanted kit for a crossrange army. Better to put them out when they put out the Daemon Codex/Armybook, and try to lure some Fantasy players into 40K or vice versa. Putting them out in a Fantasy focused release would just dillute things.

I would think it would make much more sense to piggy-back the much larger, (and likely $80-100), plastic Greaters onto the End Times releases, as by late Oct/Nov, people are thinking about their Xmas lists and buying.
Those new 'uber-sized Greater Daemons would literally fly off the shelves during the peak buying season, and likely lead into cross-system sales.

You know we're never going to get 4 large size kits for an army book/codex release...

At this rate, I'll be lucky to get the plastic Lord of Change by 2050 or so.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I can only hope Tzeentch gets something equally cool.

I doubt we will... Tzeentch seems to always get the short end of the stick, especially on the WoC front. Tzeentch is now the only God who doesn't have his own unique unit for WoC. (guess he didn't see that coming, eh?!)

That character one looks aweful, there is WAY too much going on on that model, it looks way too busy and are those leather straps holding up the mutations?

 jonolikespie wrote:
are those leather straps holding up the mutations?

No, they're holding on the shoulder pad. They're just using the skin to do it.

awww crap I waited like 12 years for good nurgle chosen and then they make the sea men nurgle which look roughly gs together 12 more years to go...... anyone got any popcorn

side note guess it could be worse I could want slaanesh stuff lol sad chance in hell that stuff will come out with not allowing any attractive women looking at you sob.

Wait a second... does that one guy have a bell hanging from his ass......

" Guys I think i I have a bell hanging out of my ass do you see anything..... no ok must just be me"

I think there's some half decent sculpts there, but it is difficult to tell under the questionable palette choices of the paint jobs. Sprue pics required.

I never mentioned how I felt about the rules for that character. Anyone else think he has pretty poor rules?
Maybe its because I never play with water on the board so it doesn't seem at all useful lol

He's a ld10 nurgle chaos lord with bonus attacks and bonus wound for 250 pts. I imagine he'll be joining many units of ungors in the near future, since he ranks correctly with them.

End times? Bah! The end times won't be here until the Bretonnians get their army book. That's when you'll know it's the end times.

decker_cky wrote:
He's a ld10 nurgle chaos lord with bonus attacks and bonus wound for 250 pts. I imagine he'll be joining many units of ungors in the near future, since he ranks correctly with them.

I guess I don't understand the footprint rule. Can only 20x20 and 40x40 rank up, and 25x25 and 50x50? And if I put two 25x25 with 20x20, I can only have two (one on each exterior flank)?

Can I put multiple Minotaur characters in units of ungor?

 jonolikespie wrote:
That character one looks aweful, there is WAY too much going on on that model, it looks way too busy and are those leather straps holding up the mutations?

I think he looks awesome.

They may be on 40mm bases but they're actually a fair bit smaller than I thiught. Maybe they are just Infantry.

I don't think they'd typo as infantry on both the unit and the special character based on them. Also, the unit size is 5+, and monstrous infantry is all unit size 3+.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
better nurgly shots from Paul Scott Miniatures on facebook

snip

Thanks for the better pics. I like them, although they really do look pretty small now.

Boss Salvage wrote:
It's not too early for me to start complaining about how horrible this is for the tournament scene if allowed, right? Because you know that 'Take All the Chaos!' actually means take your Nurgle daemons army and insert disc lords, chimeras and skullcrushers - assuming that GeeDub cleans up the few characterful restraints left in the Chaotic books (i.e. different mark issues, instability, etc). Time and again sheer variety has not automatically led to cool, flavorful, thematic, rewarding list/army building

I could see the old rule that models may only have the same mark as the general or no mark being kept for a Chaos Hordes list. That way you actually have to make a choice between all four marks using one book, or all 3 books using one mark/daemon of. Thats how it worked back in the Hordes of Chaos/Beasts of Chaos days.

 Maverick421 wrote:

Looks like good DE grot converting material