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Have an 1850 tournament coming up and wanted to run a list by dakkadakka.

Librarian lvl 3 w/ stormbolter

10x terminators 2 hammer, 2 psycannons, 2 swords, 6 halberds.
5x terminators 1 hammer 1 psycannon 1 sword 2 halberds

5x purifiers 2x psycannon rhino
5x purifiers 2x psycannon rhino

10x interceptors 4x falcions, 1 hammer, 2 incinerators, 3 swords

dreadknight incinerator, heavy psycannon, sword, teleporter
dreadknight incinerator, heavy psycannon, sword, teleporter

give the lib the relic that gives +1 ML and reroll 1s on psychic tests, also, I would rather see 3 5 man units for that one additional warp charge

He can always Combat Squad the Interceptors and Terminators.

 raiden wrote:
give the lib the relic that gives +1 ML and reroll 1s on psychic tests, also, I would rather see 3 5 man units for that one additional warp charge

the termies can be combat squaded which give a little more versatility since they have combat squad (which gives the +1 dice, i combat squad every thing) since I can squad both the psycannons in 1 5 man unit and then 2 hammers in the other unit for more specialized units when i need them but still gives the flexibility of doing the standard squad. becomes a choice. shoot the hammers or the psycannons.

Still trying to tweak the army to get that book in there. I agree with you that the libby is awesome with 4 sanctic powers (possibly 5 with the warlord trait).

Looks quite good.
By combat sqadding you can have two special weapons in one squad.

Looks like a very solid list. Almost looks exactly like what I want to run! Let me know how this turns out! If you could though, I would take that relic on the lib for the extra roll. Other than that, I wouldn't change a thing!

I do however notice you lack of flyer support or any way to deal with them. I suppose you are just going to ignore them or hope a few snap shots make it through? That would be my only concern.

General weakness of the list... av13+ unless in cc (grey knights General weakness)and flyers. I've pulled down flyers before with psycannons, but knowing the local meta(at least the players coming from my shop) not many lists have flying in it.

Is this using CAD or NSF?

NSF

Could definitely be a nasty alpha strike with difficult target priority.

How do you find the DKs fare when they are the only thing on the table turn 1?

I've been wanting to do something similar with Space Wolf allies (for that cheese pod of purifier goodness of course). It's just too tempting.

 astro_nomicon wrote:

How do you find the DKs fare when they are the only thing on the table turn 1?

Why do you think would they be on the table alone T1?

NDK with Personal Teleporter gain Jump. Jump units gain Deep Strike.

Of course, the purifiers on the other hand do not have deep strike, so they're either going to have to be in reserve (non-DS) or on the table, in which case if he chooses to have the NDKs on the table instead of reserves, they have company.

I like the list as well. However, I don't think you'll get your mileage out of Psycannons on the Purifiers. The purifiers are going to want to get close to the enemy to get Cleansing Flame off. I'd drop the cannons and add either an Incinerator or leave out the heavy weapons entirely, add a hammer or just more bodies, or upgrade their weapons to Halberds. I think purifiers are going to be great at running up, casting Cleansing Flame, shooting a bit (though for minimal damage), and then assaulting. They are a great assault unit, and I'd use them as such.

I'd also agree with getting the LIbby the Liber Daemonica if you can get it in there; it's a great piece of wargear.

 Homeskillet wrote:
I like the list as well. However, I don't think you'll get your mileage out of Psycannons on the Purifiers. The purifiers are going to want to get close to the enemy to get Cleansing Flame off. I'd drop the cannons and add either an Incinerator or leave out the heavy weapons entirely, add a hammer or just more bodies, or upgrade their weapons to Halberds. I think purifiers are going to be great at running up, casting Cleansing Flame, shooting a bit (though for minimal damage), and then assaulting. They are a great assault unit, and I'd use them as such.

I'd also agree with getting the LIbby the Liber Daemonica if you can get it in there; it's a great piece of wargear.

this is what I was thinking of doing. after doing some play testing, my psycannons dont seem to be doing much on purifiers.. removing them would free up 60 points for various other items such as the book and maybe an ordo malleus inquisitor with 3 servo skulls for more accurate deep strikes.

or book and (insert various weapon upgrades other places)



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so the edit i made... and this may seem weird to some...

- 4 psycannons from the purifiers

+ added book & stormbolter to librarian
+ 3 halberds to purifiers
+ 2 psilencers to purifiers (i happen to know there are quite a few people bringing demons/multiwound models.

20 points to bring down any multiwound model on the board in shooting. didnt seem bad to me. if not that squad of 5 will sit back and pump out 18 str 4 shots.

 Smotejob wrote:

 Homeskillet wrote:
I like the list as well. However, I don't think you'll get your mileage out of Psycannons on the Purifiers. The purifiers are going to want to get close to the enemy to get Cleansing Flame off. I'd drop the cannons and add either an Incinerator or leave out the heavy weapons entirely, add a hammer or just more bodies, or upgrade their weapons to Halberds. I think purifiers are going to be great at running up, casting Cleansing Flame, shooting a bit (though for minimal damage), and then assaulting. They are a great assault unit, and I'd use them as such.

I'd also agree with getting the LIbby the Liber Daemonica if you can get it in there; it's a great piece of wargear.

this is what I was thinking of doing. after doing some play testing, my psycannons dont seem to be doing much on purifiers.. removing them would free up 60 points for various other items such as the book and maybe an ordo malleus inquisitor with 3 servo skulls for more accurate deep strikes.

or book and (insert various weapon upgrades other places)



Automatically Appended Next Post:
so the edit i made... and this may seem weird to some...

- 4 psycannons from the purifiers

+ added book & stormbolter to librarian
+ 3 halberds to purifiers
+ 2 psilencers to purifiers (i happen to know there are quite a few people bringing demons/multiwound models.

20 points to bring down any multiwound model on the board in shooting. didnt seem bad to me. if not that squad of 5 will sit back and pump out 18 str 4 shots.

That should serve you a bit better if you know Demons will be running around. However, I'd advise you to take a full 10 man Purifier unit in a Rhino, combat squad them at the start so that the 4 Psilencers are in one squad, and park the Psilencer unit so they don't have to snapshot. Then take the other 5 man unit and go for the assault.

So i ran the list at the tournament today. 3-0 for 2nd place (got out scored by a demon list i did not get the pleasure to play).

round 1 was ultramarines w/ space wolves allies. This was a blood bath with all this AP2 guns. but, I managed to keep him shoved off of enough objectives... go go power dreadknight. purifiers and rhinos died before they got to do anything.

game 2 was a necron list. with 2 monoliths and immorals with some barges. deep strike and shunts landed him in close combat with most of his stuff turn 2. purifiers got 1 nova off killing 3 guys that all stood back up and never got to cc before my other stuff got there. tabled him turn 4 and purifiers ended up just holding objectives. dreadknights were the stars of this match too destroying both monoliths and slaying his warlord.... and his deathmarks... and... omg they are so good.

game 3 was against a tau gunline of 3 riptides and 9 broadsides a commander and fill the rest with fire warriors and path finders. My entire army was 1'' away from his army after turn 1 with a few terminators dead. he charged my dreadknights with his riptides thinking to try to hold him up a turn. won combat and they jumped off the board while my command terminators and the other dreadknight mopped up other broadsides. end of turn 2 he had 3 broadsides and a riptide left and decided to call it. purifiers sat on objectives in the back not doing anything.

I'd say the army did pretty good for itself today.

my purifiers are not meshing with this army and are expensive objective holders. I really want to use them but if I am looking for objective holders in the back, i can do that with something else and still provide something to the fight.

Forget the purifiers!!! More termiessss! Seriously.

 Smotejob wrote:
So i ran the list at the tournament today. 3-0 for 2nd place (got out scored by a demon list i did not get the pleasure to play).

round 1 was ultramarines w/ space wolves allies. This was a blood bath with all this AP2 guns. but, I managed to keep him shoved off of enough objectives... go go power dreadknight. purifiers and rhinos died before they got to do anything.

game 2 was a necron list. with 2 monoliths and immorals with some barges. deep strike and shunts landed him in close combat with most of his stuff turn 2. purifiers got 1 nova off killing 3 guys that all stood back up and never got to cc before my other stuff got there. tabled him turn 4 and purifiers ended up just holding objectives. dreadknights were the stars of this match too destroying both monoliths and slaying his warlord.... and his deathmarks... and... omg they are so good.

game 3 was against a tau gunline of 3 riptides and 9 broadsides a commander and fill the rest with fire warriors and path finders. My entire army was 1'' away from his army after turn 1 with a few terminators dead. he charged my dreadknights with his riptides thinking to try to hold him up a turn. won combat and they jumped off the board while my command terminators and the other dreadknight mopped up other broadsides. end of turn 2 he had 3 broadsides and a riptide left and decided to call it. purifiers sat on objectives in the back not doing anything.

I'd say the army did pretty good for itself today.

my purifiers are not meshing with this army and are expensive objective holders. I really want to use them but if I am looking for objective holders in the back, i can do that with something else and still provide something to the fight.

Nicely done! If the Purifiers aren't pulling their weight, you can never go wrong with MOAR TERMINATORZ!

As I go forward (and get the models) I am thinking of dropping the purifiers and their rhinos to get either

10 interceptors with various upgrades. This brings me to about 1770ish

And then figure something else to add.


Or

1libby and 5 termies with toys. This brings me right up to 1850

Gate of inifinity purifiers instant close up incinerators and cleansing flame. Who needs first blood rhinos.

I love that idea if I could take Draigo. Tournys around here play no Lords of war. So since I cannot bring the supreme grand master with his innate ability to push himself through the warp I cannot guarantee that they will not have to foot slog. 2 of the 3 games yesterday my librarian didnt know GoI and then they would have been running all game. oh they did that anyway...lol

The list once again performed admirably, and against what is known as the biggest weakness... av14.

Still no edits made to the list. Still keeping the purifiers in the list for those pesky horde armies

Played against an astra militarum armor list recently and the guy running the list is widely regarded as the best player in our region. So many Leman russ and chimera

Although I could not hard defeat this army I did hold it in his deployment zone until turn 4 while I had interceptors and rhinos zooming around grabbing those tactical objectives.

I did lose most of my army, but had free reign over the rest of the board. For 4 turns.

It was still a close game.

I would keep the psycannons on the purifiers. I have found running them up the field in rhinos is a valid and effective tactic. also cleansing flame is pretty good on anti air defense as the nova power hits fliers as well. Another option, if you are set on dropping the pyscannons would be to add a 70 point aegis defense line with a comms relay to help on those turn 1 deep strike rolls. I would shave the extra 10 points off by taking the hammer out of the interceptor squad, or taking the storm bolter off the libby and the staff out of the interceptors.