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 Casey's Law wrote:
Have we heard anything at all on Sogarats or Rasyats for any future releases?

HMG Sogarat is coming December, no info on any new Rasyats yet, however we do have a new Morat unit coming along next year sometime.

Other than Impetuous troops not getting cover. I'm pretty happy with what I've heard so far. I don't mind the no cover on my pretas but that would really hurt my shaolin. I never liked they were impetuous in the first place though. Irregular yes. Impetuous no.

All war bands are bloodthirsty khorne berserkers who don't know how to duck, from the sound of it. (Forgive me if shaolin are not war bands, shaky on that faction)

Hey does that mean my riot grrl will not get cover? Aren't they impetuous frenzy or something, change state after kill? I guess it would happen then. Even more reason to link them instead it seems.

Unless they change the background, Shaolin are far from being bloodthirsty. These are guys that train and meditate to fight but it doesn't mean they rush into battle. Having been in Martial Arts for many years and having actually met some. I know it to not be the case.

The no cover rule makes some sense for some Impetuous troops though.

Dats are going to have an advantage with mimitisim.

Well im quite sure I read someone claiming that frenzy makes you impetuous but without negatives....but that might be just my imagination.

Rgirls have H-D lv1 so its not so bad....maybe they reduce cost to balance them out? In that case link will be sound option.

 Space Ranger wrote:
Unless they change the background, Shaolin are far from being bloodthirsty. These are guys that train and meditate to fight but it doesn't mean they rush into battle. Having been in Martial Arts for many years and having actually met some. I know it to not be the case.

The no cover rule makes some sense for some Impetuous troops though.

Dats are going to have an advantage with mimitisim.

We talking about shaolin in future with aliens,warpholes and matrix....so yeah...they can be Khorn version.

I wasn't implying shaolin were bloodthirsty, just that it seems to be the expected behavior for all war bands.

 GrenAcid wrote:
Well im quite sure I read someone claiming that frenzy makes you impetuous but without negatives....but that might be just my imagination.

Rgirls have H-D lv1 so its not so bad....maybe they reduce cost to balance them out?

You surely must jest. MSV 1, hyper dynamics, amazing weapon selection and Frenzy rather than impetuous. It would be hard to find a better HI for their utility and cost.

Impetuous losing all benefits from cover seems odd, but I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.

 Knight wrote:

 GrenAcid wrote:
Well im quite sure I read someone claiming that frenzy makes you impetuous but without negatives....but that might be just my imagination.

Rgirls have H-D lv1 so its not so bad....maybe they reduce cost to balance them out?

You surely must jest. MSV 1, hyper dynamics, amazing weapon selection and Frenzy rather than impetuous. It would be hard to find a better HI for their utility and cost.

Im not, frenzy=impetuous unless you are not planing to kill enemies with her, yes they are cool but right now Rgirls benefit much from cover bonus.....and its not so hard to kill them, arm 3 is nice but dont make them tank.

Changes are always a cause for anxiety, but so far it seems like all the changes have been very well thought out and are not just "changes for the sake of making changes and all seem very well thought out.

Have these pics been posted yet? From a new Booty Hunter articles on BoW
http://www.beastsofwar.com/infinity/infinity-arachne-authorised-bounty-hunters/

Impetuous losing cover makes sense to me. By definition, impetuous means to move without concern, so why would an impetuous unit move carefully into cover? Especially when you must be very precise and stop exactly touching the cover.

Bikes are interesting though. I suppose the rationale is that they are too large to benefit from cover. Meanwhile, over games make bike riders more difficult to harm, essentially carrying their cover with them.

Not sure which side I like.

 drazz wrote:
Impetuous losing cover makes sense to me. By definition, impetuous means to move without concern, so why would an impetuous unit move carefully into cover? Especially when you must be very precise and stop exactly touching the cover.

Bikes are interesting though. I suppose the rationale is that they are too large to benefit from cover. Meanwhile, over games make bike riders more difficult to harm, essentially carrying their cover with them.

Not sure which side I like.

Motorcycle troops are all impetuous anyway so it's kinda moot.
Perhaps we have a reason to dismount now?

Close Combat rules.

Good for my chimera and nazi-furrys, but sad for Tags....even more ways to kill them.

TAG are dead RIP

 Absolutionis wrote:
If both models have Martial Arts, the Reactive Player chooses first.

I think that's not true. I think Carlos is talking about using your orders wisely. If you declare move as the first shor skill of your order, the other specialist has to declare his ARO before you declare your second short skill. That way, when the specialist declares a CC roll with some MA level, you can adapt to the circumstances. So if you declare a CC attack as your first short skill, the enemy specialist could addapt better to your attack. So I think that what Carlos means is: if your are going to attack a MA specialist in CC, do it with your second skill.

Correct, the MA skill must be declared at the point of short skill declaration.

 Erasoketa wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
If both models have Martial Arts, the Reactive Player chooses first.

I think that's not true. I think Carlos is talking about using your orders wisely. If you declare move as the first shor skill of your order, the other specialist has to declare his ARO before you declare your second short skill. That way, when the specialist declares a CC roll with some MA level, you can adapt to the circumstances. So if you declare a CC attack as your first short skill, the enemy specialist could addapt better to your attack. So I think that what Carlos means is: if your are going to attack a MA specialist in CC, do it with your second skill.

Pardon. I misunderstood the example they were giving with models already in Base-to-base contact.


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 GrenAcid wrote:

 Knight wrote:

 GrenAcid wrote:
Well im quite sure I read someone claiming that frenzy makes you impetuous but without negatives....but that might be just my imagination.

Rgirls have H-D lv1 so its not so bad....maybe they reduce cost to balance them out?

You surely must jest. MSV 1, hyper dynamics, amazing weapon selection and Frenzy rather than impetuous. It would be hard to find a better HI for their utility and cost.

Im not, frenzy=impetuous unless you are not planing to kill enemies with her, yes they are cool but right now Rgirls benefit much from cover bonus.....and its not so hard to kill them, arm 3 is nice but dont make them tank.

Similar with Magister Knights, you want to dodge with them. It's rather difficult to imagine you're triggering frenzy on your first turn, anyway I don't expect any price reduction on frenzy units.

 Absolutionis wrote:

That is, quite simply, one of the coolest things I have ever seen.

What is the story behind these guys?

They're Tohaa who have decided to join with the Combined Army instead of fight against them.

I think.

IIRC Umbrals are not Tohaa.

Did anybody catch what Carlos said about camo'ed units moving into CC?

He said ninjas will be much more useful for example.

But it wasn't entirely clear what exactly having camo to surprise the opponent will do for you in CC...

@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar

@Bladerunner
camo To will trigger the -3 malus for engaging with TO activated
with martial art, this bring to the cap of -12 MOD for the target

 Sangarn wrote:
@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar

They are not aspect, they are their own race. We don't know much about then yet and likely will not until the new book.

 Sangarn wrote:
@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar

@Bladerunner
camo To will trigger the -3 malus for engaging with TO activated
with martial art, this bring to the cap of -12 MOD for the target

Can you break down what each of the negative mod is? -3 TO Camo, -3 Surprise, what else?

str00dles1 wrote:

 Sangarn wrote:
@Pacific
They are more dark ALEPH ish

They are aspect of the EI like the avatar

@Bladerunner
camo To will trigger the -3 malus for engaging with TO activated
with martial art, this bring to the cap of -12 MOD for the target

Can you break down what each of the negative mod is? -3 TO Camo, -3 Surprise, what else?

Martial Arts lvl 5

-6 for TO camo (-3 is camo) -3 for MA -3 for surprise

Well that sounds pretty solid, not as likely to get shot with such nasty modifiers.