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 carlos13th wrote:
Rusty Trombone wrote:
For those who insist O:I was always meant to be an extended release- Carlos 'Bostria', on the official forum, stated that Icestorm was indeed a limited run of 5000. He even suggests striking while the iron is hot in hopes to drum up impulse buys.

I can't figure out linking web pages on this tablet, but it's in the Terracotta Soldiers thread, dated July 27 2014...post #136.


In your browser hold down on the web url at the top an option will come up which includes copy. Press copy and then hold down again where you want to paste until the paste option comes up.

Thats how it works on ipad at least.


Or you could just do it manually by typing the code and pasting the url in between.

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 carlos13th wrote:
Rusty Trombone wrote:
For those who insist O:I was always meant to be an extended release- Carlos 'Bostria', on the official forum, stated that Icestorm was indeed a limited run of 5000. He even suggests striking while the iron is hot in hopes to drum up impulse buys.

I can't figure out linking web pages on this tablet, but it's in the Terracotta Soldiers thread, dated July 27 2014...post #136.


In your browser hold down on the web url at the top an option will come up which includes copy. Press copy and then hold down again where you want to paste until the paste option comes up.

Thats how it works on ipad at least.


Woot! Muchas gracias, amigo!


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 NuclearMessiah wrote:
 carlos13th wrote:
Rusty Trombone wrote:
For those who insist O:I was always meant to be an extended release- Carlos 'Bostria', on the official forum, stated that Icestorm was indeed a limited run of 5000. He even suggests striking while the iron is hot in hopes to drum up impulse buys.

I can't figure out linking web pages on this tablet, but it's in the Terracotta Soldiers thread, dated July 27 2014...post #136.


In your browser hold down on the web url at the top an option will come up which includes copy. Press copy and then hold down again where you want to paste until the paste option comes up.

Thats how it works on ipad at least.


Or you could just do in manually by typing the code and pasting the url inbetween.


I do know that way, but TBH, I'm hella lazy.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Combined Army Starter Box


So you're mad that the previously available combined army starter isn't currently available and the new one won't come out until after N3? So right now if you want to do Combined and start with a starter pack, you have to go sectorial or wait? Or find somewhere that still has it (Miniature Market has 2).

Yeah, that sucks. However, I'm willing to guess that the sales on it simply aren't high enough to make it a priority. Or they felt that the number currently in distribution would be sufficient until the new one can be released. And with the explosion of demand from their internet marketing, it looks like that might not be the case.

Looks like they messed up and there will be some unavailability of product ... just like there is every time a smaller gaming company goes through a massive growth phase.


Icestorm was simply two starter sets packaged with cardboard terrain and quick-start rules.
The two starter sets in the box are coming out within the next few months. So any excuse about Icestorm "ruining their production line" is bull crap at this point since they manage to release boxed sets of 4 models every month with no real issue.


A metal spin casting machine has these disk shaped moulds that you put into it and it heats up the metal and then it flows into the moulds, The metal cools and you remove them and keep casting. The obvious limitation is that if you have one mould in there for a particular group of miniatures (like 70000 casts of the new PanO and Nomads miniatures for the first 5000 copies of Ice Storm) then you can't have the machine pumping out next month's releases.

You do understand that there's a difference between 70000 casts from a big splash release and the much lower numbers the typical monthly release probably sells at right?


Add to it that Operation: Icestorm is virtually unavailable(great job predicting that one guys! 5000 copies lasting you a whole year, huh?) at any retail shop and they're doing some damage to any good relationship they can have with retailers that would actively host or stock their products.


So when X-Wing went through that phase where demand outstripped supply and retailers couldn't get it in, that "damaged the relationship" between Fantasy Flight and stores and then all the retailers dropped X-wing right?

Oh no wait. That's not what happened at all.

You know what else is "very risky and possibly corrosive to one's cash flow"?
Not having new product to release during the Christmas season


I don't see any evidence this will occur. It kind of looks like they are pushing back releases to make sure they produce the products that are in demand. They are addressing exactly this issue you are raising. I imagine for Christmas shopping there will be lots of Ice Storm and the new Terrain packs. Their demand is established. The real question is whether or not local stores and distributors will carry enough N3 books to meet the demand that will be there past the pre-orders.

It sounds to me like they're doing everything they should to make sure their holiday releases will be available on time. The holiday seller will be Operation Ice Storm and there will be some copies of N3 depending on distributor and store orders above their pre-orders and then when the people who buy OIS for holiday presents are ready for the full game, it should be nicely available. And the online resources are supposed to be updated for early January right? Sounds like a pretty well thought out Holiday season plan given the surprise demand for OIS.

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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. 
   
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 NuclearMessiah wrote:
ski2060 wrote:
Man, you really need to chill out dude.
You are up in arms about a luxury product for a game in which you push little painted men around on a board against other little painted men.

If / When it comes out you can elect to buy or not buy the items they have available.

Complaining to everyone here that CB isn't releasing to YOUR satisfaction is pointless. The rest of us will wait, with patience, like adults.

Please, start your own successful business selling little metal men, so people can complain about your time table.

Nothing you can say or do will make them be able to release what you want, when you want it. There are factors of which you are not, and can not be privy to.


That's just Kan for you, he is King of Negativenancia. Hang out around here or the official forums long enough you just become desensitized to it.

Thanks for reminding me. Forgot all the "fun" of gw threads that he participated in.
Icestorm is doing exactly what it was intended to, bring in more people. They didn't plan that this many were at the tipping point with gw, and while that hurts a little, it's has actually gotten more word out there as everyone is asking about it. If they had made twice as many copies as before then they'd be sitting on shelves everywhere collecting dust like space hulk is at my flgs. There are benefits of selling out of product.

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13

I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 
   
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Rusty Trombone wrote:
 carlos13th wrote:
Rusty Trombone wrote:
For those who insist O:I was always meant to be an extended release- Carlos 'Bostria', on the official forum, stated that Icestorm was indeed a limited run of 5000. He even suggests striking while the iron is hot in hopes to drum up impulse buys.

I can't figure out linking web pages on this tablet, but it's in the Terracotta Soldiers thread, dated July 27 2014...post #136.


In your browser hold down on the web url at the top an option will come up which includes copy. Press copy and then hold down again where you want to paste until the paste option comes up.

Thats how it works on ipad at least.


Woot! Muchas gracias, amigo!


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 NuclearMessiah wrote:
 carlos13th wrote:
Rusty Trombone wrote:
For those who insist O:I was always meant to be an extended release- Carlos 'Bostria', on the official forum, stated that Icestorm was indeed a limited run of 5000. He even suggests striking while the iron is hot in hopes to drum up impulse buys.

I can't figure out linking web pages on this tablet, but it's in the Terracotta Soldiers thread, dated July 27 2014...post #136.


In your browser hold down on the web url at the top an option will come up which includes copy. Press copy and then hold down again where you want to paste until the paste option comes up.

Thats how it works on ipad at least.


Or you could just do in manually by typing the code and pasting the url inbetween.


I do know that way, but TBH, I'm hella lazy.


Understood

   
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Rusty Trombone wrote:
For those who insist O:I was always meant to be an extended release- Carlos 'Bostria', on the official forum, stated that Icestorm was indeed a limited run of 5000. He even suggests striking while the iron is hot in hopes to drum up impulse buys.
http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/23825-terracotta-soldiers/page-7#entry497428


From the link:

"My personal opinion is that this product is going to sell all those copies during this year and the first half of 2015."

His personal opinion was wrong. CB made the smart move of not overproducing and being stuck with dead stock, but a successful internet marketing campaign has proven it to be insufficient. So what do you do if you think you need another 5000 copies ASAP? You reallocate your box printer's production of new product packaging to the OIS packaging, place rush orders with anyone you outsourced anything to for more product to put in the new boxes and you reallocate your miniature production to the 70000 casts you'll need for the next 5000 copies and you delay new releases until you can catch up.

I just don't understand what the problem is. This is what small companies do when they have unexpected growth. Asking them to perfectly forecast unexpected growth makes no sense. And all it takes is one major overproduction of product that doesn't sell to destroy cash flow and cause the company major problems. Based on the data they had, 5000 copies of OIS made sense to them. Surprise they were wrong? They should have seen it coming and made 10000 or 15000 copies? But then if it was a flop the dead stock could have sunk the company.

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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. 
   
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Is there any actual news, or will we have another couple pages of "it was limited/not limited" and "is production fast enough" that should be in the subforums?
   
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Rusty Trombone wrote:
For those who insist O:I was always meant to be an extended release- Carlos 'Bostria', on the official forum, stated that Icestorm was indeed a limited run of 5000. He even suggests striking while the iron is hot in hopes to drum up impulse buys.

I can't figure out linking web pages on this tablet, but it's in the Terracotta Soldiers thread, dated July 27 2014...post #136.

Edit: Giving link a go...

http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/23825-terracotta-soldiers/page-7#entry497428


There was a lot said about Icestorm. Originally it was never mentioned to be a limited release, bostria then (as per that link) said it was limited, then further clarified via personally speaking to people (IIRC at the Spanish Interplanetary tournament) that they would consider another run if that 5000 ran out that might or might not have the CSU, and many other variations of that message.

Simply posting one comment isn't giving the whole picture of what went on around the info dump of Icestorm. Basically, they were very uninformative and gave out snippets of information through various outlets and personal conversations, which is fairly typical of CB. Communication isn't their strong point.

Basically, the pervading message at the time was limited to 5,000 copies unless the demand was there for more. They fully expected those 5,000 to last at least 6 months, rather than sell nearly twice their initial order in the pre order period. Officially, as in as an announcement, it was never called a limited release.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was never actually meant to get out that it was limited to 5,000. That's really an internal business decision based on risk management. They looked at what they could financially support for a starter box run and made a decision. it was when that information made it to the public that the panic about getting a copy started.


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 d-usa wrote:
Is there any actual news, or will we have another couple pages of "it was limited/not limited" and "is production fast enough" that should be in the subforums?


The actual news that started all of this is that next months released will be limited to Kaysm Beg and the new Combined Army starter. Due to production limitations caused by making so many more Icestorm copies than anticipated, the Alguacile special weapon box, Hac Tao hacker and new ASS character got pushed back, and that December will have 6 releases instead of 5. Which of the 3 pushed back made it to December and where the other two wound up, we don't know.

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 d-usa wrote:
Is there any actual news, or will we have another couple pages of "it was limited/not limited" and "is production fast enough" that should be in the subforums?


^ This

Don't get me wrong, I've been waiting for weeks on the panda bear box and the aux box to complete the O:IS 300pt armies and it sucks, but it shows how many more people are playing and making the game grow.

On with news!
   
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 frozenwastes wrote:
Rusty Trombone wrote:
For those who insist O:I was always meant to be an extended release- Carlos 'Bostria', on the official forum, stated that Icestorm was indeed a limited run of 5000. He even suggests striking while the iron is hot in hopes to drum up impulse buys.
http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/23825-terracotta-soldiers/page-7#entry497428


From the link:

"My personal opinion is that this product is going to sell all those copies during this year and the first half of 2015."

His personal opinion was wrong. CB made the smart move of not overproducing and being stuck with dead stock, but a successful internet marketing campaign has proven it to be insufficient. So what do you do if you think you need another 5000 copies ASAP? You reallocate your box printer's production of new product packaging to the OIS packaging, place rush orders with anyone you outsourced anything to for more product to put in the new boxes and you reallocate your miniature production to the 70000 casts you'll need for the next 5000 copies and you delay new releases until you can catch up.

I just don't understand what the problem is. This is what small companies do when they have unexpected growth. Asking them to perfectly forecast unexpected growth makes no sense. And all it takes is one major overproduction of product that doesn't sell to destroy cash flow and cause the company major problems. Based on the data they had, 5000 copies of OIS made sense to them. Surprise they were wrong? They should have seen it coming and made 10000 or 15000 copies? But then if it was a flop the dead stock could have sunk the company.


Why did you quote mine his second sentence, ignoring the first? I assume because hindsight favors it? Yeah, more were made(and in 20\20 were assuredly a planned possibility). Still, a represenative clearly states, unambiguously, that it was a limited run. Black and white. I personally don't care that O:I exceeded expectations, but why give a false impression like that? Playing coy like this isn't good for business, it frustrates customers and indicates a lack in planning. I'm proof of the first point and delays are evidence of the second.

@-Loki-...

Too much communication. As I wasn't in Indy, Vigo, etc...(and I don't tend to watch videos, take third-hand accounts...)all I have is words typed by the man himself. Missing further clarifications is likely, but not my fault. Don't say it if it ain't right. Eh, who am I kidding, though...it's Bostria the Troll King we're talking about here.

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Beyond the Beltway

 d-usa wrote:
Is there any actual news, or will we have another couple pages of "it was limited/not limited" and "is production fast enough" that should be in the subforums?

There is a tendency among Infinity players-- and I am as guilty of this as eveyone else, so, not casting stones-- to use news & rumors type threads (on the official forums) as a Chat Box of sorts.

Did anyone figure out which Haqq mini that #snipershot of the sword belonged to? Given that it is painted, and the next Haqq release is Kasym Beg, perhaps it is from the standing version of Kasym. Since I have Kasyma Beg-- ie bootleg Penthesilea-- I'm not that worried about Kasym. Now the twins OTOH, I'll wait to see those minis before I decide which Kum biker box I want. I don't feel the need for more than 4 Kum bikers (including Yojimbo as a Kum proxy) in the collection. Standing Yojimbo is to be a Saladin proxy. Or a Hafza pretending to be Saladin.

Of course who knows what further delays will come. CB is moving their facilities and that sort of thing can wreak havoc on production schedules.

 
   
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Sounds as if CB has some 'growing pains' as Infinity gains in popularity?

Maybe a good 'problem' to have, provided they can work their way out successfully?

Anyway, yes, back on topic here - we've got a lovely Infinity General sub-forum (it even still has that new car smell too!) for all of the continuing discussion about...all that other stuff.
   
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Rusty Trombone wrote:
Why did you quote mine his second sentence, ignoring the first?


I'm addressing a separate issue. I have no dog in the hunt when it comes to whether it was technically "limited edition" or not. I was using your post and the quote about what how long he expected the 5000 copies to last to make a larger point about risk management and what one should do in a situation like this. And the answer is exactly what CB did. Don't over extend, make the amount you think will sell and if they sell out, make more. Reallocate production as needed, even if means pushing back some release dates.

Still, a represenative clearly states, unambiguously, that it was a limited run. Black and white.


Yes. Absolutely.

It's sad that the news of product delays results from this increase in demand. Hopefully they can get caught up and I doubt that Kan's prediction of none of the popular products available for sale at Christmas will come true. Privateer ended up pushing back releases several times during 2010. Hopefully we won't have news or rumors of repeated repeated release delays from Corvus Belli. And hopefully the rumors of distributors running out of popular items will mean that players, new and existing, won't end up meaning people won't be able to get what they want like the 6 months or so of scarcity on Warmachine stuff.

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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. 
   
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Rusty Trombone wrote:
[Still, a represenative clearly states, unambiguously, that it was a limited run. Black and white.


Which contradicted the official announcment, which made no mention of it. That same official representative then went on to contradict himself several times by following it up with the statement that they would do more if the demand was there, meaning it's not actually limited, just limited by demand.

Again, arguing that from one quote on the message board isn't giving the full picture. The overall message was that its availability would be determined by the demand. The only actually limited part would be the CSU, which would only be in pre ordered copies (again, maybe, no clear answer).

Just because the other information wasn't from bostria posting on the message board, doesn't mean he didn't make the various contradictory statements.

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On to news!

There's new terrain out from a CB-partnered company.

They're decently affordable, pre-painted, and they look... acceptable.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152572749918842.1073741880.70390538841&type=1

   
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Why is yet another company producing the same Infinity terrain that 100 other companies have already produced not a meme yet?

No, no, it's nice to have options and these look like they will fit into whatever terrain you already own which is handy.

   
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NC

Options are nice. But, I agree, all these companies are really starting to blend together.

Mousemuffins needs to release his table for a cheap price, already.
   
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Not directly related to Infinity, but I did see Secret Weapon Minatures released their own set of battle board like Terrain Tiles


A bit pricey, but would serves as a nice base for an Infinity board. He has a few other styles I just thought the clean urban fit the best.
http://www.secretweaponminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=125_130&products_id=718

   
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The Combat Company has been handling the shipping for those for the Australian leg of the kickstarter. I've been waiting for the stuff they ordered as general stock to show up on their store for a while, for the very reason they would be perfect for Infinity. Generic sci fi streets.
   
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Melbourne, Australia

 Absolutionis wrote:
On to news!

There's new terrain out from a CB-partnered company.

They're decently affordable, pre-painted, and they look... acceptable.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152572749918842.1073741880.70390538841&type=1



Is it just me, or is this just the same buildings Bandua have been making for a while but pre coloured?

I actually really like the Bandua stuff. Their square, stepped buildings, anyway. They're a cheap, simple way of giving a batleifled different levels, it's just a shame they're not interior-friendly.

The galaxy is littered with the single-planet graveyards of civilisations which made the economically sensible decision not to explore space. 
   
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 -Loki- wrote:
Rusty Trombone wrote:
[Still, a represenative clearly states, unambiguously, that it was a limited run. Black and white.


Which contradicted the official announcment, which made no mention of it. That same official representative then went on to contradict himself several times by following it up with the statement that they would do more if the demand was there, meaning it's not actually limited, just limited by demand.

Again, arguing that from one quote on the message board isn't giving the full picture. The overall message was that its availability would be determined by the demand. The only actually limited part would be the CSU, which would only be in pre ordered copies (again, maybe, no clear answer).

Just because the other information wasn't from bostria posting on the message board, doesn't mean he didn't make the various contradictory statements.


I get that. My overall gripe is with not being able to take statements at face value here. Sometimes official releases are wrong or amended...I expect mouthpieces for the company to have the pertinent information before, during and after. It's not an unreasonable request.
   
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 NuclearMessiah wrote:
Not directly related to Infinity, but I did see Secret Weapon Minatures released their own set of battle board like Terrain Tiles
Spoiler:


A bit pricey, but would serves as a nice base for an Infinity board. He has a few other styles I just thought the clean urban fit the best.
http://www.secretweaponminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=125_130&products_id=718


kinda pricey if you ask me.

Is that a natural 21?
Nomads & Yu Jing 
   
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Infinity is played on a 4'x4' board, so you only need 16 pieces. That SecretWeapon set comes with 24 pieces ideal for a 6'x4' Warhammer board. It'd be nice if we could pick-and choose what parts we want, but the molds they have may not allow for that.

I'm personally waiting for Mousemuffins/CnC to release this board: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/600/537478.page#7186651
...but I'm afraid it's going to cost a billion Australian moneys.
   
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 Absolutionis wrote:
Infinity is played on a 4'x4' board, so you only need 16 pieces. That SecretWeapon set comes with 24 pieces ideal for a 6'x4' Warhammer board. It'd be nice if we could pick-and choose what parts we want, but the molds they have may not allow for that.


Try Infinity on a 6x4. CB actually recommend it for 300pts and higher, in both directions (deploying on short sides or long sides). Short sides really makes the weapon ranges mean something and long sides really gives you have a lot of room to move about. We don't play on 4x4 for Infinity - in fact I had my first game on a 4x4 on the weekend because the store sent its Infinity table to PAX. 4x4 felt cramped and far too easy to get range on enemies.
   
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 Absolutionis wrote:
So it was incompetence on their part and the mistake was remedied. What's the problem here?

I'd rather support a company full of gamers/artists that occasionally has a stroke of incompetence rather than a comapny full of businessmen/managers that often has strokes of malice and contempt for their customers.

There really is no problem here. New players may see a slow month, but they don't know any better; you do not need to speak for them, Kanluwen.

CB thought 5000 copies. They were mistaken. In a less cynical world, this would be a good thing that the game is exploding in popularity...


I wouldn't even go so far as to call it incompetence. Hindsight is is always 20:20 -- but it would have been reckless for them to overestimate sales and be lumbered with stock that wasn't moving. Even if they were expecting this level of success, a small company can't afford to take a risk like that based on uncertainty.

As a new player myself, I'm happy to be joining a game that's expanding in such a promising way. It's a bit weird being in this kind of rules limbo atm, but it has given me time to paint my I:O stuff, and actually learn a bit about infinity before N3 drops. I kind of like that Infinity vets are going be figuring out new stuff at the same time I am, rather than while I'm still learning the basics.
   
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If anyone is looking for a mat/surface to play with, I thoroughly recommend the new MAS playing mat. Just got hold of one of these and it's great.
(Sorry for link to a vendor, I couldn't find it quickly on the MAS site)
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/micro-art-studio/gaming-mats/war-game-mat-48x48inch-district-5/prod_29202.html

 Absolutionis wrote:
On to news!

There's new terrain out from a CB-partnered company.

They're decently affordable, pre-painted, and they look... acceptable.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152572749918842.1073741880.70390538841&type=1
Spoiler:



Friend of mine has a set of these, the previously released unpainted ones. Bloody brilliant, having them stack within each other for easy packing/transport is a a great idea, and means that he doesn't have to use 2-3 crates to move around his terrain, like I do with the MAS apartment buildings and the like.

Epic 30K&40K! A new players guide, contributors welcome https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page
 
   
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 Casey's Law wrote:
Why is yet another company producing the same Infinity terrain that 100 other companies have already produced not a meme yet?

No, no, it's nice to have options and these look like they will fit into whatever terrain you already own which is handy.

To be fair, this company already made these and these are just pre-paints of their current ranges, so they would look familiar.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Oh, also for the record?
Icestorm was simply two starter sets packaged with cardboard terrain and quick-start rules.
The two starter sets in the box are coming out within the next few months. So any excuse about Icestorm "ruining their production line" is bull crap at this point since they manage to release boxed sets of 4 models every month with no real issue.


Polite request - please don't state unresearched opinion as fact.

My best starter pack sales so far have been for the Morat Aggression Force, for obvious reasons. Icestorm sold TEN TIMES as many copies compared to the Morat starter's peak period, the first month or so that it was available.

Even if all of those Icestorm copies were being split (which I know from speaking to my customers is not the case), that's still five times the sales volume of the most popular starter pack of recent years.

From speaking to other retailers, distributers and CB themselves, that's been typical.

So no, it's not bull crap, it's the equivalent (guestimated from CB's annual turnover and the number of Icestorms pre-ordered in total) of 2-3 months' production. Not just the new releases for 2-3 months, their entire normal production for 2-3 months including the rest of the Infinity range.

For one product.
   
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 Absolutionis wrote:
Infinity is played on a 4'x4' board, so you only need 16 pieces. That SecretWeapon set comes with 24 pieces ideal for a 6'x4' Warhammer board. It'd be nice if we could pick-and choose what parts we want, but the molds they have may not allow for that.

I'm personally waiting for Mousemuffins/CnC to release this board: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/600/537478.page#7186651
...but I'm afraid it's going to cost a billion Australian moneys.


I personally like the option to randomise my board a bit. I haven't really invested in my Infinity terrain yet, but the SW board is on my list.

   
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Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.

Those prepaints feel a little pricey to me.



 
   
 
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