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 Pacific wrote:
I think if people were very disappointed with O:I, they probably wouldn't be buying anything else at all anyway..

That interview gives me hope that it'll just be the starter and not another 2-player box.

Is that something that CB would likely make such a fuss about with the pre-Gencon amble?

I wonder, if it's not going to be a new Two-player starter set along the lines of Icestorm (assuming Gutier is not telling porkies in that interview), what else is it likely to be?

They did adverts like that for things as little as Ko Dali.

Actually nearly all expats are more -ish than the people in the country they come from. So, the bow-guy fits in quite well.

Despite all the complaining on boards like this one, Icestorm was a resounding success. Wouldn't they want to capitalize on that with another type of 2 player experience? If they went to make a HS box, one would think CB would now be better prepared to handle the demand. They have a better idea of the scope of the audience they're reaching after the big N3 release.

And really, how much work are we talking here? Icestorm wasn't some grandiose package. It was some simple printed material (simple compared to printing the N3 books), 2 starter sets (which they would be making already as independent releases), & 2 exclusive models.
Yes, it's purely speculation that they'll do it. However, if they were to announce it at GenCon, CB would likely be able to deliver a HS 2-player box set by December/January.

It was a huge success and it still drives sales, but another box of this kind would not really do the job. First, packaging and layout drives the cost up with new products and a new box would need lots of it. They could reuse some of it from OI, but still it is a lot of work. Second they would need a massive redesign for those two factions included in the box which would require a lot of work. With the speed of current releases I can´t see them having time for something big like such a box. The starter sets had the bonus of being reusable for seperate release but still took more time to design than the ususal box-upgrades since they had to fit in with the other OI contents. OI also was the first real starter-box for Infinity that included everything. Looking at GW and PP, there is a reason they do not release a new starter box every year. It would be to costly to juggle several such boxes that include two factions. Single faction boxes are far easier to sell.

One future option that is far more plausible would be army-packs like the ones PP offers. You get a nice discount and you are set for quite some time and you just need a box and sleeve that holds it together. Way less work but definitly a hit with customers and logistically quite easy to handle, even for the customers who do not have to wonder what to do with the other faction they do not want.

That's an interesting thought about the army boxes..

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I think if people were very disappointed with O:I, they probably wouldn't be buying anything else at all anyway..

That interview gives me hope that it'll just be the starter and not another 2-player box.

Is that something that CB would likely make such a fuss about with the pre-Gencon amble?

I wonder, if it's not going to be a new Two-player starter set along the lines of Icestorm (assuming Gutier is not telling porkies in that interview), what else is it likely to be?

They did adverts like that for things as little as Ko Dali.

Yes, although it tied in with the whole Paradiso release/Ko-Dali being sepsitorised and turned into a CA agent.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:


Its an argument to flesh out on another thread. And I'm sure there are many of them.
In short...
It was pretty clear to me. From Carlos in the BoW videos:
1: Preorder O:I and you get the CSU lady.

This information was clearly conveyed. You're missing the problem that occurred after it was known that pre-orders are greater than initial printed copies. New and interested people frequently asked on forums and no official feedback* was given, if they'll be able to receive LE along with their pre-order. Carlos later stated that people will receive LE with their pre-order, however he didn't say they're going to print more of them.

However, who here would NOT buy it because they were so very disappointed with Operation: Icestorm?

I hope you won't take silence as answer to your question. Those that considered it a catastrophic failure are probably doing other interests. If you are forgiving to their time delays, it's rather unreasonable to expect all others would be too.

* to my knowledge and this only applies to international forum.

Any info about when the Ariadna Hardcase comes out?

It's a June release; which means mid to late July.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I like the cowboy hat guy. No, not everyone in America wears a cowboy hat but remember that Ariadna are expats. There's a big Aussie and Canadian expat community here and on Australia Day/Canada Day there's hats with corks dangling and red maple leafs painted onto faces all over the place. When you're tens of thousands of years from home that sort of stuff tends to become more important. Plus, he looks like the Arrow, which is badass.

The funny thing with that is I don't know of anyone in recent memory that unironically wore a hat with corks hanging off it. That's like Fosters beer - everyone attributes it to Australia except for Australians.

 -Loki- wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I like the cowboy hat guy. No, not everyone in America wears a cowboy hat but remember that Ariadna are expats. There's a big Aussie and Canadian expat community here and on Australia Day/Canada Day there's hats with corks dangling and red maple leafs painted onto faces all over the place. When you're tens of thousands of years from home that sort of stuff tends to become more important. Plus, he looks like the Arrow, which is badass.

The funny thing with that is I don't know of anyone in recent memory that unironically wore a hat with corks hanging off it. That's like Fosters beer - everyone attributes it to Australia except for Australians.

The Fosters adverts really make me laugh because it's all Australian accents and Australian slang and at the bottom in small writing it just says 'brewed in the U.K.'

 Knight wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:


Its an argument to flesh out on another thread. And I'm sure there are many of them.
In short...
It was pretty clear to me. From Carlos in the BoW videos:
1: Preorder O:I and you get the CSU lady.

This information was clearly conveyed. You're missing the problem that occurred after it was known that pre-orders are greater than initial printed copies. New and interested people frequently asked on forums and no official feedback* was given, if they'll be able to receive LE along with their pre-order. Carlos later stated that people will receive LE with their pre-order, however he didn't say they're going to print more of them.

However, who here would NOT buy it because they were so very disappointed with Operation: Icestorm?

I hope you won't take silence as answer to your question. Those that considered it a catastrophic failure are probably doing other interests. If you are forgiving to their time delays, it's rather unreasonable to expect all others would be too.

* to my knowledge and this only applies to international forum.

All I know is I ordered it in August and it came as advertised in mid December. If you "preordered" the day before the official release, yeah I expect it did not arrive as soon. I know miniature market and warstore were allotted only so many copies of the initial run that they could vouch for.

And really, the LE CSU was one optional model you don't need. The "limited" bit means everyone may not get one. CB would have been within their rights to limit it to the first 2k orders of the initial run. Are people really petty enough to swear off the entire game because they didn't get some extra tidbit?
Its not like everyone ran out to preorder just for a rather unremarkable model you could easily replace with a token.

There were some bumps, but nothing unforgivable. It's not like people simply didn't get their preorders, or that large swathes of the boxes were somehow defective.

If CB ever tries another venture like Icestorm again, I'd buy it in a heartbeat along with many other infinity players. I hope they're planning one for HS.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

And really, the LE CSU was one optional model you don't need. The "limited" bit means everyone may not get one. CB would have been within their rights to limit it to the first 2k orders of the initial run. Are people really petty enough to swear off the entire game because they didn't get some extra tidbit?
Its not like everyone ran out to preorder just for a rather unremarkable model you could easily replace with a token.

Actually, while she's an "unremarkable model" in terms of the box itself...she's a valid unit choice for Neoterran players, but nobody knew that until long after Icestorm had sold out.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:

And really, the LE CSU was one optional model you don't need. The "limited" bit means everyone may not get one. CB would have been within their rights to limit it to the first 2k orders of the initial run. Are people really petty enough to swear off the entire game because they didn't get some extra tidbit?
Its not like everyone ran out to preorder just for a rather unremarkable model you could easily replace with a token.

Actually, while she's an "unremarkable model" in terms of the box itself...she's a valid unit choice for Neoterran players, but nobody knew that until long after Icestorm had sold out.

Yeah that's true. I assume people also proxy her for a handful of other profiles out there.

 Bladerunner2019 wrote:
Are people really petty enough to swear off the entire game because they didn't get some extra tidbit?
Its not like everyone ran out to preorder just for a rather unremarkable model you could easily replace with a token.

The thing is, some of us are completionists. Barring the last few releases (and some knights which are still on the wishlist) I have every PanO model out there at least once. I'd like to complete that collection. Can't imagine I'm the only one, either.

Not having proper access to a listed unit (or even any limited model) like that is something I seriously dislike.

Enough to turn me away from the game? Naah, of course not. Anymore. There's a few systems I decided not to get involved in (despite liking the first few/demo games I played) because this limited models gak seemed to be the primary business model.

If this gak had been going on around the time I got into infinity, yeah, I might have decided to keep looking for other options. As it is, I still loathe the practice but I'm invested now anyway and, luckily, I seem to have gotten in before the PanO limited models became a 'thing'.
Can't imagine I'm the only one to find this sort of thing so off-putting, so yeah, I think there's more than a few potential players who decided this was potentially more of a mess than they'd like to get involved in.

I gave up on the completionism as soon as CB released a $80 YuanYuan model. I guess non-QK players are feeling the pain later.

Well, most of the time we see a second regular version of the limited mini sooner or later... so no problem there.

No problem for you. Which, obviously, should mean the entire universe feels that way, right?

Didn't even have to look at the nic to know who posted that.

Yup, same build-up we saw for a 2 player box.

Some are speculating that it is purely what will be the GenCon release, but I have a hard time believing that.

In any case?
Far left:
Foxtrot Rangers

Middle:
Wolfmen and what looks like a chick on a dirtbike

Right:
Two to three Grunts

You're absolutely right. Looks like three grunts, a motorcycle, three other infantry, and maybe a dog-warrior?

I note a distinct lack of cowboy hats in that silhouette - whoo hoo!

 Guildsman wrote:
You're absolutely right. Looks like three grunts, a motorcycle, three other infantry, and maybe a dog-warrior?

There's more than one wolfman.

Look directly to the right and you can see what looks like a hunched over wolfman.


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 Alpharius wrote:
I note a distinct lack of cowboy hats in that silhouette - whoo hoo!

Yup!

It looks like the Foxtrot Rangers retained their boonie hats.

It's also possible that the silhouette on the farthest left is a Minuteman, because it looks like it could be a helmet or a skullcap rather than a boonie hat.

That's an exciting pic for me. Though I thought it was only going to be the Scots that had the big wolves.

So I'm going to go out on a very short limb and say that we'll get a big reveal on the 4th of July for USAriadna... *Captain Obvious... up, up, and away!*

edit: That actually puts it on the same day as the Age of Sigmar WHFB reveal/final nail.

Dirt bikes could be cool; we already have heavy road bikes in Haqqislam, and fast sports bikes in Yu Jing, so offroad dirt bikes would make for a change. And then my dreams of redoing the start of Akira with multiple factions all going insane with extremely impetuous orders and smoke grenades can come to life.

 Kanluwen wrote:

This year is the year of "Acheron Falls", and Vedic have apparently been axed from the book.

Sorry to bring up a quote from over a month ago... but is Acheron Falls still supposed to come out this year, or did the N3 HS book push it back?

Is it any more clear what the CA sectorial will be in Acheron Falls? Last I heard, it was either going to be a Sygmaa sectorial or an EI sectorial (with Sygmaa included).

What are the odds of Acheron Falls news at Gen con?

 Red Viper wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

This year is the year of "Acheron Falls", and Vedic have apparently been axed from the book.

Sorry to bring up a quote from over a month ago... but is Acheron Falls still supposed to come out this year, or did the N3 HS book push it back?

Is it any more clear what the CA sectorial will be in Acheron Falls? Last I heard, it was either going to be a Sygmaa sectorial or an EI sectorial (with Sygmaa included).

What are the odds of Acheron Falls news at Gen con?

Acheron Falls is pushed back until 2016, at the earliest.

 Red Viper wrote:

What are the odds of Acheron Falls news at Gen con?

Probably pretty good. The gencon presentations tend to preview stuff many months in advance so even if Acheron gets pushed to 2016 there will still likely be news.

I've gotta say I'm midly disappointed in the lack of cowboy hats ...

And I'm wildly disappointed by the fact that there is even one; so that balances out.


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 warboss wrote:

 Red Viper wrote:

What are the odds of Acheron Falls news at Gen con?

Probably pretty good. The gencon presentations tend to preview stuff many months in advance so even if Acheron gets pushed to 2016 there will still likely be news.

It's actually very doubtful. They've been starting to clam up a lot more in regards to their projects.

The fact that nobody had an inkling of Human Sphere for N3 is a prime example of this.

Blah, thanks guys.

Kinda bummed, but it makes my decision to play vanilla CA easier. I'll still wait for Gen Con though.. just in case.

Looking forward to seeing the new Shas also. I've always liked them as a concept, but just couldn't get into their non-noctifier models.

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's actually very doubtful. They've been starting to clam up a lot more in regards to their projects.

The fact that nobody had an inkling of Human Sphere for N3 is a prime example of this.

I guess we'll see in a few months. I can only speak to genccon presentations and beasts of war promo week videos as those are the only two that I follow independent of this thread. Did the Human Sphere N3 book come out yet? If not, then the fact that it has been discussed for a month or two indicates that they still are previewing things months in advance and not clamming up too much.


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 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
I've gotta say I'm midly disappointed in the lack of cowboy hats ...

Maybe they'll surprise you with a baseball cap or two in the lineup.

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's actually very doubtful. They've been starting to clam up a lot more in regards to their projects.

The fact that nobody had an inkling of Human Sphere for N3 is a prime example of this.

I guess we'll see in a few months. I can only speak to genccon presentations and beasts of war promo week videos as those are the only two that I follow independent of this thread. Did the Human Sphere N3 book come out yet? If not, then the fact that it has been discussed for a month or two indicates that they still are previewing things months in advance and not clamming up too much.

There was no lead-up to it like there was N3. For almost a month before the announcement of N3 itself, there were rumblings.

This came right out of the blue.

There literally was what amounted to a "There's a big announcement coming!" and then boom, Human Sphere. A lot of people expected it to be related to Acheron Falls in fact.

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 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
I've gotta say I'm midly disappointed in the lack of cowboy hats ...

Maybe they'll surprise you with a baseball cap or two in the lineup.

There's a baseball cap on the silhouette closest to the Antipode on the left.