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Really tempting to get. Looks like it might have a Blood angel formation much like StormClaw did for the wolves and orks. "Shield of Baal: Deathstorm contains the Blood Angels Strike Force Deathstorm, and the Tyranids’ Phodian Annihilation Swarm" so really tempting.


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I just noticed, if you buy from the email is it $125 US, but off the Webstore it is $150 US.

And those are the new 32mm bases too.

Wow, that's a really early leak of next week's White Dwarf.

Makes it look like a new Tactical box though (guess for new ASM it's time to just mod those), based heavily off the DC box. Makes sense since most of it's already created and they just need to remove the DC iconography, though they should do one for ASM too.

I would have said the possibility that it has jet packs included is still there, but being a 10-man box I doubt they'd be able to cram them in.

So yeah, cue more complaining from already frustrated BA players about how the last thing they needed was new tactical Marines. Like I said before, everyone was just going to be disappointed by this release anyway and was just kidding themselves if they thought otherwise. I guess there's still hope for a competitive codex with multiple viable army builds and great internal balance, but I think we all know GW well enough to know that's a fool's hope from the start.

Tactical Heavy Flamers is sweet.

I like how so many of you stomped on the rumours before even giving them a chance to breathe. The Tac squad, Codex, Smaug... all of it true rofl!

Why have they made this? Molds are expensive, we just got an ultra-awesome new Tactical Squad set last October, Assault Marines are languishing with a comparatively ancient kit. It makes no sense, and while it looks great, I can see it doing too well unless it is sufficiently unique, maybe with more CCW or Jump Packs, and especially not if it's more expensive than the SW, CSM and Tactical boxes.

OMG! BA Tac squads can take Heavy flamers?! Dammit! I've been wanting that option for ages for CSM's.

Dear lord, I hope the Devi squads can't take 4 of them... Good night sweet enemy infantry, while also simultaneously peeing the poor Sisters pond. (though Sisters are probably very used to that by now! )

So that Broodlord is on a 75mm oval base.. that's pretty f'n big.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
And those are the new 32mm bases too.

SolentSanguine wrote:

TheIncredibleBulk wrote:
Ordered.

I also notice that the codex and Sanguinary Priest is no-longer available.

Also Sanguinary Guard and Death Company boxes. Repackaging with 32mm bases?!

Oh and "Ordered" ;-)

Yeah, it says:


This box set contains 25 Citadel miniatures, including: 1 Blood Angels Terminator Captain, 1 Furioso Dreadnaught, 5 Death Company Space Marines, 5 Space Marine Terminators, 1 Broodlord, 8 Genestealers, 3 Tyranid Warriors and 1 Carnifex.

It also includes a Deathstorm transfer sheet, 1 Dreadnaught Base, 6 x 40mm Round Bases, 5 x 32mm Round Bases, 9 x 25mm Round Bases, 3 x 50mm Round Bases, 1 x 105mm Oval Base and 1 x 75mm Oval Base.

If you look at the photo:

The 1 dreadnaught obviously goes on the dreadnaught base
The 1 Carnifex goes on the 105mm Oval
The 1 Broodlord goes on the 75mm Oval
The 5 terminators & 1 terminator captain goes on the 6 x 40mm
The 8 genestealers are on 25mm
The 3 Tyranid warriors go on the 3 x 50mm Round

That leaves 5x32 mm rounds for the jump pack sanguinary guard, and one more 25mm base for..?

Hmmmmm... what am I missing?

Edit: actually, that comes to 26 bases, and 25 miniatures. Is there an extra minor model that comes with one of the sprues?

 Paradigm wrote:
Why have they made this? Molds are expensive, we just got an ultra-awesome new Tactical Squad set last October, Assault Marines are languishing with a comparatively ancient kit. It makes no sense, and while it looks great, I can see it doing too well unless it is sufficiently unique, maybe with more CCW or Jump Packs, and especially if it's more expensive than the SW, CSM and Tactical boxes.

I just use Vanguard vets as my assault squads for my Dark Angels.

 insaniak wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
On the plus side, ovals are porbably better than 120mm circles

They're really not. They cause all sorts of headaches with GW's poorly defined movement rules.

Yes, I agree. I don't like oval bases -- I will mount it onto a nice, resin 120mm round. It's not a special base anyhow.

Blood Angels with Gravguns!

 Paradigm wrote:
Why have they made this? Molds are expensive, we just got an ultra-awesome new Tactical Squad set last October, Assault Marines are languishing with a comparatively ancient kit. It makes no sense, and while it looks great, I can see it doing too well unless it is sufficiently unique, maybe with more CCW or Jump Packs, and especially if it's more expensive than the SW, CSM and Tactical boxes.

To be fair, the DC already work pretty well for BA jump troops. They have all the CC weapons you could possibly want in that kit (aside from LCs) and are modeled to be Jump Troops more than tac squads. It's not perfect, but I'll actually take the TACs over another BA jump troop box.

Is that a new heavy bolter underneath the knight in the background, looks similar to sternguard one but the marine is painted like a standard tactical/devastator. Potentially new devastators or included in the tactical squad kit?

I didn't go for the boxset, great value for money but nothing i really wanted. But I do like that tac squad, it looks like a 10 man DC box, which is a nice idea.

I'm still hoping for a new Mephiston.

Huh, a completely pointless new box of models save for the heavy flamer. I like the molding though. Will probably pick one or two up and get some jump packs from a bits seller and make some Assault Squads.

Talys wrote:

That leaves 5x32 mm rounds for the jump pack sanguinary guard, and one more 25mm base for..?

Hmmmmm... what am I missing?

Edit: actually, that comes to 26 bases, and 25 miniatures. Is there an extra minor model that comes with one of the sprues?

Terminator kit comes with that strange teleport homer piece that goes on the last base.

I like the new BA Tactical Box. Price is the outlier, obviously.

 TheKbob wrote:
I like the new BA Tactical Box. Price is the outlier, obviously.

Probably 25 GBP

 Paradigm wrote:
Why have they made this? Molds are expensive, we just got an ultra-awesome new Tactical Squad set last October, Assault Marines are languishing with a comparatively ancient kit. It makes no sense, and while it looks great, I can see it doing too well unless it is sufficiently unique, maybe with more CCW or Jump Packs, and especially not if it's more expensive than the SW, CSM and Tactical boxes.

It could just be a new accessory sprue along with the regular tactical squad sprues. They already did a similar thing for DA, with a couple alternative bodies plus all the other themed junk.

I'll be really interested to see some of these new marines up against a ruler

I wonder if the move to 32mm bases could be because they've decided to move their scale/size up just a little bit too. It would give plenty of opportunity to re-release kits by reusing digital assets without having to produce loads of new units and rules. It would also explain a the marines release when they already exist in basically the same form

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I like the new BA Tactical Box. Price is the outlier, obviously.

Probably 25 GBP

I'd probably get a box (offline for 30% off MRSP) at that price just to collect. Yes, legitly collect. BA are my favorite faction having read most of the games codices. I probably will skip rulesbooks and what not, but some good new character models and what not would be nice.

 xttz wrote:

It could just be a new accessory sprue along with the regular tactical squad sprues.

It's not. It is obviously a completely new kit.

 xttz wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Why have they made this? Molds are expensive, we just got an ultra-awesome new Tactical Squad set last October, Assault Marines are languishing with a comparatively ancient kit. It makes no sense, and while it looks great, I can see it doing too well unless it is sufficiently unique, maybe with more CCW or Jump Packs, and especially not if it's more expensive than the SW, CSM and Tactical boxes.

It could just be a new accessory sprue along with the regular tactical squad sprues. They already did a similar thing for DA, with a couple alternative bodies plus all the other themed junk.

True enough, a lot of bits are clearly cloned from the DC box and the new Tac squad, but I can't see it being Tac+upgrade sprue, there's too much BA specific stuff to just be one sprue and there would be a lot of dead weight including two. I'm guessing two retooled sprues, £30, and probably with different weapons to the Tac box.

So, from the pics we can infer that BA have gravity weapons, and Tac Squads have a heavy flamer option..

Never mind, there was a whole extra large of posts I'd missed!

We can also see that the game is, in fact, moving to 32mm bases if you compare those shots with traditional tacticals.

Doesn't look like a new kit, aren't all those bits from Sanguinary Guard, Death Company and the new Tactical Squad?

Santtu wrote:
Doesn't look like a new kit, aren't all those bits from Sanguinary Guard, Death Company and the new Tactical Squad?

Several bits are direct copies of DC bits, but the WD says it's a new kit.

 Paradigm wrote:
Why have they made this? Molds are expensive, we just got an ultra-awesome new Tactical Squad set last October

You answered your own question; Ultra-awesome. The new tactical squad was for the Codex chapters only. All the special snowflakes need to have their own box to set them apart because, as it's been argued repeatedly from the start, they're all significantly different from regular Codex chapters and warrant having all their own stuff (plus, ruleswise at least, all the cool stuff the Codex chapters get, so that there's absolutely no reason to play vanilla Marines...but you know...GW isn't that stupid).

You can't use a regular tactical squad box because it doesn't have loincloths, bowl cuts, or wings/goblets/blood drop iconography. This kit was absolutely necessary.

 TheKbob wrote:
We can also see that the game is, in fact, moving to 32mm bases if you compare those shots with traditional tacticals.

The game? I find that unlikely. Marine models moving to 32mm, though, that much seems apparent.

Far too early to start claiming this is a huge, gamewide change that will affect every infantry model mounted on a 25mm base.

Why I don't believe the game is moving to 32mm; because the genestealers in the new box still come on 25mm bases. Why introduce a new base size for one half of the box and not the other when everyone is getting the new base size anyway? They even made a new base for the carnifex apparently so it seems an odd thing to skip over.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Huh, a completely pointless new box of models save for the heavy flamer. ...Will probably pick one or two up...

So then not entirely pointless, it would seem?

Santtu wrote:
Doesn't look like a new kit, aren't all those bits from Sanguinary Guard, Death Company and the new Tactical Squad?

Welcome to digital sculpting. Why make new stuff when you can copy/paste old stuff and call it new stuff?

Oh, and charge a premium for it, too.