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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/14 07:04:22
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Hey everyone,
Im finally getting around to assembling my O:I boxset. I'd like some opinions on how important pinning is to these sculpts. Im abit worried about pinning such thin arms and stuff as my main experience with pinvices is just the gun barrels of various GW Warhammer's models. The current drill pieces I have are whatever size the old Citadel pinvice set is (they match a normal size paperclip width).
Will I be able to get away with a light file/sanding of joints and a dab of loctite superglue?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/14 07:55:11
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Yu Jing Martial Arts Ninja
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I didn't pin any of my Icestorm stuff. It should be fine if you're careful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/14 14:29:06
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Combat Jumping Akalis
Too close to Jersey.
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In my experience with Infinity models so far, pinning is unnecessary. Well, I did pin the legs on a TAG, but that was for load bearing concerns. The infantry sculpts are fairly light overall and with good prep(cleaning, scoring mating surfaces and quality superglue) should hold up fine for you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/14 23:05:52
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Multispectral Nisse
Luton, UK
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I've been pinning long guns held on extended arms on my Infinity models, but only because it'll be easy to catch either mid-game or during transport, and it's easier to take the 2 minutes to put a small pin in now rather than try to do it after being painted. I generally use 1mm bits and don't have problems.
For any of the models holding guns across their chest, I haven't bothered.The shoulder joints on almost all the models have been really well designed to offer maximum contact area and as few flat surfaces as possible (for PanO at least, no idea on other faction models), and barring a drop to the floor from table height, I don't anticipate them coming apart.
One other thing I do with my pin vice though, is bore out a few holes where antennae etc go. This gives them just that little bit of a deeper recess to be glued into (or better yet, stick a small lump of putty in the hole as well).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/14 23:27:50
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Norn Queen
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I haven't pinned a single Infinity model so far, even TAGs (I've built the Maghariba Guard, Scarface and the Gorgos). They're light enough that you don't need to worry about excess weight causing stress breaks. And the metal is fairly soft - if you drop one from a height, you've got more problems than the odd break. I've seen swords curl completely around from a fall. Just take care of your stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/15 15:55:22
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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1st Lieutenant
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The only things I've really had issues with are the antennae on the husam spec ops & the nasmats. I actually left them off the nasmats & used them as the chute for a custom hassassin ragik made from the Recon N32 deadzone merc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/16 08:51:39
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Dakka Veteran
Devon, UK
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Icestorm is substantially easier to put together than most of the older Infinity range. You shouldn't need to pin anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 01:38:02
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Two-handed weapons have been just a minor pain in the rear, much better than earlier models though.
But those antennas are making me very angry...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/17 07:42:21
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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Finger and thumb stuck together, antenna stuck between fingers and not miniature?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/18 11:29:14
Subject: Re:Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thanks for the advice. Went with just gluing them after a light cleanup of mould lines and a quick scrub in hot water to get any file/sanding dust out of recesses. Working well so far.
Have only glued the corrigadors, moira and the guy with the dagger so far. Was doing it outside, enjoying the weather, when a tonne of mosquitoes decided to turn up midday. Ive left a bug lantern running out there now. Hopefully it culls their numbers and I can get back to modelling mosquito-free.
Going to assemble the fusiliers next and play the 3v3 campaign a couple times.
Really I should have assembled more by now but I got sidetracked making and designing terrain.
Made a 3mm mdf plantbox thats 4" long x 1.5" wide x 1" tall. Two plastic palms on rocks I got from a dollarshop sit inside of it.
Been thinking of how to assemble a modular table with a waterway where the water is also modular blocks leaving the canal as another place to fight through when dry. Once I figure it out and If i ever get around to building it I could do a grime line on the canal wall that matches up with the placeable water blocks height to look like damp walls when theres water and grime when empty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/19 15:23:38
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Sinewy Scourge
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I'm going to disagree with all the advice listed here thus far. If I'm working with metal models, I pin everything. Simple reason being, I want things to last; so, when I assemble models I pin all the joins. Glue gets brittle eventually. Also, infinity has some LOLthin connections. You'll have bits go missing eventually too. My models are built to last a lifetime of gaming. This is really the reason to take the time to do it thoroughly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/20 08:49:33
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Dakka Veteran
Devon, UK
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You might want to wait until you've actually assembled the Icestorm models before making assumptions based on pre-computer Infinity models.
The only ones with thin connections are the three female models, the rest have big chunky contact points and they all have tapered square connector pins.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/20 09:50:10
Subject: Re:Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Have assembled 10 of the 15 models now. Still got the Mobile Brig and the 4 PanO armoured guys to go.
Only thing Ive had any trouble with so far was one of the male Fusiliers. It was impossible to get the angled down position like shown on the assembled art. The arms of both male fusiliers were identical so maybe I got the wrong arms. Still stuck it together but its the same gun angle on both of them. Glue held strong tho.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/20 09:52:55
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Dakka Veteran
Devon, UK
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You got the wrong arms, the two sets shouldn't have been identical. :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/20 10:02:47
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Regular Dakkanaut
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IJW wrote:You got the wrong arms, the two sets shouldn't have been identical. :(
Thought I might of. I remember reading someone else had the same problem. Not really bothered because it still lined up and glued well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/20 13:18:25
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Sinewy Scourge
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IJW wrote:You might want to wait until you've actually assembled the Icestorm models before making assumptions based on pre-computer Infinity models.
The only ones with thin connections are the three female models, the rest have big chunky contact points and they all have tapered square connector pins.
I have assembled ice storm's nomad half. Thanks. Not sure what you are talking about. I pin metal models, period.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/20 14:32:08
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Dakka Veteran
Devon, UK
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OK. I didn't find that any of them needed pinning.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/20 19:37:45
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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IJW wrote:OK. I didn't find that any of them needed pinning.
It depends wildly on the quality of the cast and when exactly the cast might have been done in terms of the mold quality.
People said that they "didn't have to do any pinning or gapfilling" on the male Wildcats from the Corregidor starter set, yet I had to on all four of my male Wildcats. I got my starters after, from what I've been told, the first two big runs so the molds saw some use.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/20 21:03:03
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Combat Jumping Akalis
Too close to Jersey.
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Kanluwen wrote: IJW wrote:OK. I didn't find that any of them needed pinning.
It depends wildly on the quality of the cast and when exactly the cast might have been done in terms of the mold quality.
People said that they "didn't have to do any pinning or gapfilling" on the male Wildcats from the Corregidor starter set, yet I had to on all four of my male Wildcats. I got my starters after, from what I've been told, the first two big runs so the molds saw some use.
I have no reason to doubt this, but I also imagine personal 'tolerances' also play a part. What may be unacceptable in your mind I may find remarkably well fitting, etc. Of course, my standards for little metal men aren't too demanding to begin with, so mileage will vary.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/20 21:05:00
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Dakka Veteran
Devon, UK
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Let's put it this way - my first Nomad Remote had six pins and two magnets in it, and one of the pins was around 0.4mm diameter...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/21 05:09:07
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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1st Lieutenant
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I have built the entire nomad half & the CSU & haven't found that I need to pin any of it. In fact, I don't really want to risk screwing up such thin parts drilling into them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/17 14:40:03
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Dakka Veteran
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This is an enormous bump, I know, but I didn't want to start a new topic and needed to vent this somewhere.
Cleaning up the PanO part of the Icestorm starter, and realized at some point while doing the Orc that oh hey those are antennas not excess mould.
Went back to the cleaned up Akali and yep, no antenna. Dug through trashcan, found the 4 discarded sprue-piles. Went to wash them all up and promptly dropped one of them straight down the sink.
fething fuckity feth
Obviously the 3 sprue bits I didn't fumble away did NOT contain anything useful, so either the antenna is sitting somewhere in the plumbing or as yet undiscovered in the trashcan. Or possibly he was missing a part.
Either way, very annoying
EDIT:
Found the sneaky bugger!! At the very, very, very deepest (obviously) crevice after emptying out the entire trashcan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/17 17:58:24
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Yu Jing Martial Arts Ninja
North Wales
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IJW wrote:Let's put it this way - my first Nomad Remote had six pins and two magnets in it, and one of the pins was around 0.4mm diameter...
Meteor Zond. Eight pins.
Thought that I was going mad - glad to see that I'm not the only one!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/17 21:59:06
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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Pacific wrote:Finger and thumb stuck together, antenna stuck between fingers and not miniature? 
I use tweezers to hold the small pieces - not my fingers.
Model they are to be glued to is also clamped into my helping hands (with magnifier to aid assembly).
I haven't needed to pin the icestorm stuff, though. Newer designs on the surfaces to mate have improved somewhat (locking keys).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/18 14:01:07
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Haven't pinned any of my infinity models. Generally I just do a dab of super glue on each surface to be joined and then insert about a pin head's worth of green stuff between them in the joint. Then i stick them together tightly and trim any greenstuff that might have squeezed out of the joint. It provides for a fast bond that holds well and helps fill any gaps.
Also, lightly scoring both surfaces with a hobby knife will give you a better bond as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/07/18 18:52:00
Subject: Operation:Icestorm Assembly
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Fixture of Dakka
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I've never had to use pins for strength, but on some models which come with separate body, right arm/weapon/left hand and left arm, I've used a pin at the joints between arms and body (and sometimes between left wrist and hand) to act as a fulcrum, to allow me to bend the arms into position so everything lines up. As has been pointed out, newer models seem to have better tolerances on the joints, so I've not had to do it for a while.
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