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Was reading the recent DE codex and about Lilieth and her hand to hand combat prowess. Lucius was also mentioned in the book, where he takes a trip to Commorragh with Fabius Bile and fights in the arenas.

Leaving aside the ruleset (since I think someone math-hammered it out a while ago and Abaddon was the beat stick king) who do think is the best one Vs one fighter in 40k?
Can go back to HH times too with Servetar/Corswain etc but no primarchs. Not necessarily talking about a duel either, I mean 1 to 1 to the death.

The Beast of Armageddon.

I would probably put my money on an eldar. In a duel, fighters with speed and skills have a adventage (which is the opposite on a battlefield were manoeuvrability in close combat is limited by other fighters). Since they are nearly as tall as Space Marine, they have a pretty good reach. Their weapons tend to be of better quality too. I would probably go for Lilieth, Azurmen, Jain Zhar or Karandras. Crowe and Licius would be rather safe bets too. Ghazkull is perhaps the only ork with the staying power to pull a win, but I would not count on him. Callidus and eversor would be great choice, but I think they would like duelling experience.

PS: if you remove the Primarchs, I would also remove greater deamons, Deamon Prince C'tans and Avatars who are of similar if not greater power level.

Granted, we can remove them too.

My hat goes out to mephiston. Fast as an eldar, strong as a carnefex, and even without psychic powers he can tear through an ork horde, unarmed and unarmored as well. He has torn apart a fex barehanded, and including psychic abilities it just gets so much better.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
My hat goes out to mephiston. Fast as an eldar, strong as a carnefex, and even without psychic powers he can tear through an ork horde, unarmed and unarmored as well. He has torn apart a fex barehanded, and including psychic abilities it just gets so much better.

A psyker is never without his psychic abilities. I think those stories of defeating an Ork Horde butt naked and killing Carnifexes with his bare hands involved some psychic shenanigans on his part.

The thread title says "one on one fighter" not fencer or duelist or swordsman or anything like that so I'm going to go with someone like Cypher, Maugan Ra, Iryllith, Nightspear, Fuegan, Farsight, Vect, Snikrot, Creed/Marbo. Basically anyone smart enough to bring a gun to a knife fight and just dirty/kunnin/desperate/sneaky/quick/long range enough to get the drop on the opponent and murder them before they can attack back.

As for who, out of the options, would win, it depends on environment/circumstance. Planet cueball where Farsight gets to deepstrike and the enemy has no idea he's coming? He wins. Jungle world? Snikrot and Marbo duke it out and bomb each other's hiding places to see who is the real apex predator. A shelled out city with a nightmare myriad of cover and fire lanes? Illic or Ra guns down his opponent with ruthless precision. Fuegan would be best assaulting a fortress where his enemy feels he is safest. Cypher would infiltrate the same fortress and the bodyguards would never even know he was their till they found their warlord's corpse. Vect would just make a deal with you then shoot you in the back.


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Oh and duh, the Vindicare assassin. Turbopenetrator cares not where you hide. It will find you, and it will kill you.

I do not know who is exactly the best at 1 at 1 combat, but I guess it would be one of champions of Khorne. Probably Kharn. And before any of your tries to argue, champions of Khorne spits on your psychic powers. As in one audio drama his perks allowed to ignore grey knights psychic outburst so in any other combat psykers would be only at disadvantage since they will not be used to fight fairly. Furthemore we could look into ''Skulltaker'' and his skill at combat too. Khorne has many elite champions and few of them every find stronger opponent them themselves. After champions of Khorne we might consider necron lords who in lore often just out class anyone engaging them. Even though, they trade immunity to warp to superior technology.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAARNNNNN!!!

Just had to, I'm sorry

I don't know about 'best', but Ephrael Stern survived for months in the Commoragh fighting pits and was so good that the archons actually believed she was a Dark Eldar simply because of a helmet, while otherwise dressing much like the other Wyches and Succubae.

Then one day, she got a dose of optimism and just walked out of there, casually.

Ephrael Stern is not a psyker, an assassin or otherwise physically enhanced. Just a Sororitas Seraphim with some extra knowledge.

Ghazgull.

It's more about brute power, but he's nasty

Khârn, or Abaddon.

Or Lucius.

What about the swarmlord? He had both the strength and intelligence to thoroughly beat Marneus Calgar.

Skulltaker or skarbrand, perhaps.

I guess also the nids could create the ultimate hand to hand creature

ahzek wrote:
I guess also the nids could create the ultimate hand to hand creature

The Swarmlord is pretty lethal with the combination of the Bonesabres (which specialize in cutting through protective energy fields), ridiculous reflexes and psychic power.

A Dimachaeron is also probably pretty horrible to fight one on one no matter who you are, being a ninja gladiator Tyrannosaurus of sorts...

As mentioned above though, perhaps it is best to leave these sorts of monsters (Tyranids, Avatars, Greater Daemons etc) at home for this.

The guy who speed-blitzed and casually defeated a Daemon Primarch, probably.

Lucius the Eternal. A master swordsman that held his own against Fulgrim (almost). Plus if anyone is better than him, they still lose as he then possesses their body!

pre-heresy it was the E

Poly Ranger wrote:
Lucius the Eternal. A master swordsman that held his own against Fulgrim (almost). Plus if anyone is better than him, they still lose as he then possesses their body!

Aye, but was also knocked down within seconds in the sparring cages after Loken punched him in the face.

True, but in the post heresy, to the death, he auto-wins due to his possession ability.
There was a thread about if it was really possible to kill lucius a while back. I've just thought - if you do kill him... fly yourself into a star - he isn't coming back from that lol!

Lucius is too busy enjoying fights and showing off to be really good at them.

Do you think if a greater champion of slaanesh killed lucius (a keeper of secrets say, or Abbadon (being a champion of all)), would lucius then possess them?

Yep.

In terms of Space Marines, I believe the most legendary fighter in the history that didn't also turn to Chaos was Sigismund, of the Imperial Fist. Dude was kind of a bad-ass.

Fluff-wise, probably Abaddon. I doubt even Vect could dent Abaddon's plot armor.

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Poly Ranger wrote:
Lucius the Eternal. A master swordsman that held his own against Fulgrim (almost). Plus if anyone is better than him, they still lose as he then possesses their body!

Aye, but was also knocked down within seconds in the sparring cages after Loken punched him in the face.

They later rematched, and Lucius smashed his face in.

Personally I would say Abbadon, ten thousand years of cracking skulls and he still isn't dead.

Since the rules permit, I'll put my money on Khorne.

You didn't leave out Empy during the Crusade.
He'd literally squash Abaddon or Swarmy like a bug. More like a bacterial cell really.
You didn't leave out the C'tan either.

Mork. Hes kunnin but fighty!

Abaddon- He has been around causing havoc during and since the Horus Herresy. He killed a Horus clone to found the Black Legion. And he snapped the World Breaker like a twig. Is an all around bad ass that never dies.

Some great nominations in the thread.

I'm gonna nominate top votes so far as:

Kharn
Lucius
Skulltaker

All Chaos?

What about Ragnarr from Space Wolves.