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Ragnar is good no doubt but he is not the best. Arjac Rockfist is something.

As for Lucius posessings someone there is a way around that. If I recall if the person who kills Lucius feels pride he becomes a victim of his pride and starts to change. What if Lucis gets wasted by a Dreadnought or a Necron? Someone with 0 feelings. He dies?


Drazar and Lelith are deadly and very fast.

Draigo because whoever can afford to carve his name on Mortarion's heart and live and keep walking around kicking Chaos deserves a mention somewhere.

This will be a little off topic.but the Lucius possession shtick got me thinking.

I think the Tyranids would be the best bet at taking him out. I don't believe the hive mind feels emotions like pride or self satisfaction.

the Necrons could have been a contender, but with the new background, anyone in their army with the skill to kill him actually has emotions. Then again, do Necrons have souls? They traded those off for immortality. So, maybe that gives them a loophole to exploit.

We had a discussion one who would be able to kill Lucius and that would be Kharn. He doesn't care who he kills as long as he kills and he won't even remember because he needs a kill counter to remember how many he has killed.

Abaddon got son'd in single combat by Eldrad during either the iirc 13th Crusade or Gothic War, and had to (literally) be teleported away by the Chaos Gods to avoid being killed.

He's disqualified.

Still throwing my lot in with the guy who eats Daemon Primarchs.

Also, don't forget the Senior de la Horda and Calgar. Calgar whooped the Swarmlord's ass in single combat the last time they fought. How many people in the Galaxy can claim that feat for themselves?

I'm going for Maugan. Fluff aside, the guy is basically the embodiment of death.

Fluff wise, the only guy with more ridiculous backstory is Draigo.

 Frankenberry wrote:
I'm going for Maugan. Fluff aside, the guy is basically the embodiment of death.

Fluff wise, the only guy with more ridiculous backstory is Draigo.

Ephrael Stern is on that list, too.

Lucius was 'killed' by Nykona Sharrowkin who pwned him twice, so Sharrowkin has to go above Lucius. But yeah, I can't think of anyone with more OTT fluff than Draigo, so my vote goes to him.

Dark Eldar like Lileth tend to prelong fights as they usually can't even conceive of being beaten.

Depends on if this thread is intending to include immortals or just mortals really?

Once you start on "anything" you get the Deamon Primarchs and the C'tan involved

 Mr Morden wrote:
Dark Eldar like Lileth tend to prelong fights as they usually can't even conceive of being beaten.

Depends on if this thread is intending to include immortals or just mortals really?

Once you start on "anything" you get the Deamon Primarchs and the C'tan involved

OP said no primarchs [assuming that also means daemon primarchs]. Anyway, even if it did Draigo has beaten at least one. I'm assuming it's mortals only although OP didn't specify.

Draigo.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
What about the swarmlord? He had both the strength and intelligence to thoroughly beat Marneus Calgar.

When Calgar got to fight Swarmy one on one he defeated him with his bare hands. On Macragge the Swarmlord had Calgar dog piled with his bodyguard before moving in himself.

Would have thought Valdor Constantin, commander of the Adeptus Custodes back when the Big E wasn't chairbound, would be a pretty strong contender. He sounded pretty killy.

I would say a Custodes in general would probably knock chunks out of many contenders.

They just can't leave Terra, because, you know, daemons trying to crawl out from under Big E's chair. All the damn time. En masse.

Then there's Sly Marbo.

You mean like the same Constantine that was almost killed by Phosis T'kar the Thousand Sons captain on Prospero?(He stopped himself, Knowing he could crush him in an instant)

Phosis T'kar wasn't exactly shabby himself. He was the most powerful telekinetic in the Imperium, short of the Emperor himself, after all.

Does the Eldar Avatar count, or is he disqualified because he takes over / possess an Eldar males body? TT he's a beast in CC and he's surely up there with Daemons in terms of power because that's basically what he is, a good(ish) Eldar daemon.

How does the fluff show him performing against the best that the 40k universe has to offer?

Tuska the daemon-killa. Basically immortal due to khorne recognising he's a badass. How many other characters go to daemon worlds just for a good scrap!

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Phosis T'kar wasn't exactly shabby himself. He was the most powerful telekinetic in the Imperium, short of the Emperor himself, after all.

Magnus was the best Telekine barring the Emperor, Not Phosis T'kar, Since Magnus literally founded each 1K Sons Templi/Discipline himself and that's why he's positioned above every Magister Templi but below The Emperor in the Thousand Sons' cult hierarchy.

Magnus wasn't really part of the Imperium by the time Phosis fought Constantin.

BobNT wrote:
Does the Eldar Avatar count, or is he disqualified because he takes over / possess an Eldar males body? TT he's a beast in CC and he's surely up there with Daemons in terms of power because that's basically what he is, a good(ish) Eldar daemon.

How does the fluff show him performing against the best that the 40k universe has to offer?

Gets slapped by Calgar and the Sanguinor.

Doomrider

I'll throw my money on Sigismund, the undefeated first captain of the Imperial Fists.

Shas'O Kais.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Also, don't forget the Senior de la Horda and Calgar. Calgar whooped the Swarmlord's ass in single combat the last time they fought. How many people in the Galaxy can claim that feat for themselves?

Marneus Calgar wrote that story himself, as evidenced by the ridiculous nature of any of his stories from that book, with self-contractions that are intended to make him look better but just prove that it never happened. The best example is when he fights the Avatar; the text specifically states that Terminator armour is absolutely useless against the Avatar's strikes, and that their thunderhammers can't even scratch it. Calgar proceeds to catch this blade in his Terminator-armoured hand, then kill the Avatar with a single punch from a powerfist which is generally regarded as being inferior to a thunderhammer in the lore. His unit entry describing how he has an entire library dedicated to his deeds, each book filled with more than the sum of the feats of any other Space Marine hero, is even more telling - Marneus Calgar writes fanfiction about himself.

Draigo. He defeats daemon primarchs with ease. He trolls the Realm of Chaos solo and the Chaos gods can't even touch him. He's easily the most powerful character in the entire setting after the Emperor. If he had been on the Vengeful Spirit the Emperor would still be walking.

He submits to slaanesh without a fight...

 ThePrimordial wrote:
You didn't leave out Empy during the Crusade.
He'd literally squash Abaddon or Swarmy like a bug. More like a bacterial cell really.
You didn't leave out the C'tan either.

There was one ork that won emps. Only Horus's heroic intervention saved him.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Shas'O Kais.

Spoiler:

(who is absolutely the same Kais from that awful Firewarrior game something)

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Also, don't forget the Senior de la Horda and Calgar. Calgar whooped the Swarmlord's ass in single combat the last time they fought. How many people in the Galaxy can claim that feat for themselves?

Marneus Calgar wrote that story himself, as evidenced by the ridiculous nature of any of his stories from that book, with self-contractions that are intended to make him look better but just prove that it never happened. The best example is when he fights the Avatar; the text specifically states that Terminator armour is absolutely useless against the Avatar's strikes, and that their thunderhammers can't even scratch it. Calgar proceeds to catch this blade in his Terminator-armoured hand, then kill the Avatar with a single punch from a powerfist which is generally regarded as being inferior to a thunderhammer in the lore. His unit entry describing how he has an entire library dedicated to his deeds, each book filled with more than the sum of the feats of any other Space Marine hero, is even more telling - Marneus Calgar writes fanfiction about himself.

He caught it with his hands, both of which are sheathed in power fists. So he caught it with his powerfists.

I don't see the contradiction there. There is a precedent within the fluff of power weapons being able to parry the Avatar's blows, probably because of their power-fields.

Yarrick. If he can't run you over with a Baneblade, he'll take you in close combat, and we know the guy still keeps coming, even if you lop off an arm or poke out an eye

Or run him over with a freaking battle fortress...

Although he did need a bit of a lie down afterwards....

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Shas'O Kais.

Spoiler:

(who is absolutely the same Kais from that awful Firewarrior game something)

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Also, don't forget the Senior de la Horda and Calgar. Calgar whooped the Swarmlord's ass in single combat the last time they fought. How many people in the Galaxy can claim that feat for themselves?

Marneus Calgar wrote that story himself, as evidenced by the ridiculous nature of any of his stories from that book, with self-contractions that are intended to make him look better but just prove that it never happened. The best example is when he fights the Avatar; the text specifically states that Terminator armour is absolutely useless against the Avatar's strikes, and that their thunderhammers can't even scratch it. Calgar proceeds to catch this blade in his Terminator-armoured hand, then kill the Avatar with a single punch from a powerfist which is generally regarded as being inferior to a thunderhammer in the lore. His unit entry describing how he has an entire library dedicated to his deeds, each book filled with more than the sum of the feats of any other Space Marine hero, is even more telling - Marneus Calgar writes fanfiction about himself.

He caught it with his hands, both of which are sheathed in power fists. So he caught it with his powerfists.

I don't see the contradiction there. There is a precedent within the fluff of power weapons being able to parry the Avatar's blows, probably because of their power-fields.

They also aren't just powerfists, they are the gauntlets of ultramar and are rumoured to be indestructible (the adamantine shell surrounding them has never been penetrated to inspect the inner workings of the fists)

The Gauntlets of Ultramar are incredibly powerful chaos artifacts from the Age of Strife. They're probably specifically spelled to be effective against Avatars.

Also, Frozen - have you read the Firewarrior book? Much better.