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Never had Asurmen lose a challenge for me so ill stick with him. A demi god of war in his own right. Jain Zar is pretty beast too, but an enemy IC with an invo and an ap2 weapon would probably take her down. Asurmen doesn't have problem with a 4++ and his dire sword. Fluffwise he trained the phoenix lords and they're some of the greatest warriors in game

Redseer wrote:
Never had Asurmen lose a challenge for me so ill stick with him. A demi god of war in his own right. Jain Zar is pretty beast too, but an enemy IC with an invo and an ap2 weapon would probably take her down. Asurmen doesn't have problem with a 4++ and his dire sword. Fluffwise he trained the phoenix lords and they're some of the greatest warriors in game

Asurmen was defeated by N'kari.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Frankenberry wrote:
I'm going for Maugan. Fluff aside, the guy is basically the embodiment of death.

Fluff wise, the only guy with more ridiculous backstory is Draigo.

Ephrael Stern is on that list, too.

Yeah, I vaguely remember her...doesn't she reincarnate like six times?

Justicar Alaric, or whatever his name was, the Justicar who couldn't die from the last edition Grey Knights codex.

Kharn wins, he is supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

I think some spacemarine hero like draigo or kalgar or something would win because of their plot armor! I would say Ghaz becos !!!! I like him and his awesome! He would just need to katch someon in he's pk and snap youre dead no mather hou fast and smart you are ,one mistake one second and done I think it'd be more fun if we would pick da best of each race,chapter,clan or world and slam em all in one place to see who survie in mass meat grinder!

 Frankenberry wrote:


Yeah, I vaguely remember her...doesn't she reincarnate like six times?

Justicar Alaric, or whatever his name was, the Justicar who couldn't die from the last edition Grey Knights codex.

Three. She's the Thrice-Born.

Alaric's the Grey Knight who fell to Khorne, but got better. You're thinking of Thrawn.

Calgar did exceptionally well against the Swarmlord in hand to hand.

Oh wait . . .

St Celestine. She never stays down. Sure, it's a stale-mate vs Lucius but I suspect he'll get bored before she does.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Magnus wasn't really part of the Imperium by the time Phosis fought Constantin.

By this(flimsy) reasoning neither was Phosis
Besides how is that even related?
The question wasn't who is the best fighter in the Imperium pal.

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
Calgar did exceptionally well against the Swarmlord in hand to hand.

Oh wait . . .

Wait for what? Calgar to drop in, slip off his gauntlets and beat the cheek out of you with his bare hands?

993.M41 The Kraken Slain
The Ultramarines quash a rebellion on the industrial world of Ichar IV, only to find themselves at the forefront of a desperate defence against Hive Fleet Kraken. In a replay of history, Marneus Calgar, having narrowly escaped death at the hands of the Swarmlord during their confrontation on Macragge, faces the reincarnation of the same beast on the blood-soaked fields. This time, however, Calgar triumphs, slaying the beast with his bare hands.

I'm gonna not choose Calgar, Abaddon and Eldrad cause they're fluff makes them out to be stupidly strong.

I'll go with Kharn the Betrayer like some others and throw in Lelith Hesperax and Drazhar for their speed and ruthlessness and Vargard Obyron for his skill, resilience and durability as well.

Not counting the best dudes, Lucius is probably the best fighter. Comparing him to at least Kharn, he has vastly more impressive combat feats.

Animus wrote:

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
Calgar did exceptionally well against the Swarmlord in hand to hand.

Oh wait . . .

Wait for what? Calgar to drop in, slip off his gauntlets and beat the cheek out of you with his bare hands?

993.M41 The Kraken Slain
The Ultramarines quash a rebellion on the industrial world of Ichar IV, only to find themselves at the forefront of a desperate defence against Hive Fleet Kraken. In a replay of history, Marneus Calgar, having narrowly escaped death at the hands of the Swarmlord during their confrontation on Macragge, faces the reincarnation of the same beast on the blood-soaked fields. This time, however, Calgar triumphs, slaying the beast with his bare hands.

This is hands down the most hilarious fluff ever written. You really would have thought that the writer would have at least READ the previously written snippet about calgars run in with the swarm lord.... You know, considering he no longer has hands, let alone bare hands.

I'd throw in Asterion Moloc. The dudes has been bred to hunt down Space Marines. He'd better be a good fighter to get his jib done.

 tommse wrote:
I'd throw in Asterion Moloc. The dudes has been bred to hunt down Space Marines. He'd better be a good fighter to get his jib done.

maybe against another marine, but if he is bred to fight marines and thats his job, he would be befuddled by most of the tactics other races would utilize. No idea how to catch up with the eldar, how to compensate for the sheer brutality of the ork, those kinds of things. He would adapt for sure, but depending on how long it takes he may be too late.

Of all mortals, Drazhar is likely the most deadly one on one fighter.

C'Tan Shard.

Even fluff wise, I'd put money on him.

It would depend on the race and the writer's perspective.

Space Marines (40k): Many chapter masters would be up there. I'm gonna give to Tyberos of the Carcharadons Astra, due to his Chapter's brutal reputation. Plus, the guy has Lightning Claws with barbs, and Assassin's Creed Hidden Blade style Chainfists.
Blood Angels: Mephiston or the Sanguinor (the dude single handedly defeats Bloodthirsters like Sanguinius did)
Space Wolves: Logan or Bjorn.
Dark Angels: Azrael
Grey Knights: Draigo or Crowe (Crowe fought Skulltaker to a standstill).
Great Crusade: Sigismund. He was unrivalled among the Legions as a duelist. At the Siege of Terra he sought out a duel with Abaddon. And Abaddon didn't show. AND Sigismund then called Abaddon out on it. That takes balls of adamantium.

Chaos Space Marines: Abaddon is pretty damn powerful with Drachnyen and the Talon. Kharn has utter ferocity and strength. Lucius has speed and skill beyond compare.

IG: N/A

Sisters of Battle: St Celestine, being the only one capable of going toe to toe witb the big guys.

Inquisition: N/A

Assassins: Really any bar Vindicare. Eversor would be like a champion of Khorne. Callidus is skilled and has a C'tan Phase Sword. Culexus... well, it kicks ass.

Orks: Ghazghkul

Tau: Farsight, if anyone

Eldar: Jain Zar or Karandras. Followed by Fuegan and Asurmen, then Maugan Ra and Barrahoth and then Prince Yriel if only for the Spear of Twilight.

Dark Eldar: Some many to choose, but would have to go for Lilith here.

Necrons: Varguard Oberyon as he is most suited to melee.

Tyranids: Swarmlord rips through force fields, powerful psyker on par with Chief Librarians and top level sorcerors plus massive physical strength, speed and skill. Close second is deathleaper who is lightning cfast and can literally vanish before one's eyes.

Chaos Daemons: Many to choose from. Anggrath the Unbound would be obvious choice but apparently banned so mext would be Skarbrand. Who has more balls that Sigismund did. Skarbrand just carries around a hull truckful of adamantium, planet-sized cahones. He challenged Khorne to a fight.
After that you could argue either Skulltaker or Ka'Bandha as some sources say Ka'Bandha is the most powerful Bloodthirster yet got his ass kicked by Sanguinius (twice) and the Sanguinor most recently.

 tommse wrote:
I'd throw in Asterion Moloc. The dudes has been bred to hunt down Space Marines. He'd better be a good fighter to get his jib done.

Da, but he also got out-speeded by a Necron Overlord in close combat. :p

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Not counting the best dudes, Lucius is probably the best fighter. Comparing him to at least Kharn, he has vastly more impressive combat feats.

but Kharn never misses!


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 Iron_Captain wrote:
Of all mortals, Drazhar is likely the most deadly one on one fighter.

but are you sure he is mortal?

Ahriman anyone? I think he could be a very strong contender.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Animus wrote:

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
Calgar did exceptionally well against the Swarmlord in hand to hand.

Oh wait . . .

Wait for what? Calgar to drop in, slip off his gauntlets and beat the cheek out of you with his bare hands?

993.M41 The Kraken Slain
The Ultramarines quash a rebellion on the industrial world of Ichar IV, only to find themselves at the forefront of a desperate defence against Hive Fleet Kraken. In a replay of history, Marneus Calgar, having narrowly escaped death at the hands of the Swarmlord during their confrontation on Macragge, faces the reincarnation of the same beast on the blood-soaked fields. This time, however, Calgar triumphs, slaying the beast with his bare hands.

This is hands down the most hilarious fluff ever written. You really would have thought that the writer would have at least READ the previously written snippet about calgars run in with the swarm lord.... You know, considering he no longer has hands, let alone bare hands.

Not only that, the Swarmlord has all the experience of all its former incarnations. If it beat him with easy the first time it is simply not possible for it to lose to the same foe a second time.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Not counting the best dudes, Lucius is probably the best fighter. Comparing him to at least Kharn, he has vastly more impressive combat feats.

Lucius has been beat loads times, just look at his armour

I think Kharn would beat Lucius pretty easily, their styles of combat are too different. One fights with skill and finesse, the other fight with strength and brutality, and even with that Kharn is no slouch by any means. I think Tarvitz and Loken showed us this best.

 Deadshot wrote:


Not only that, the Swarmlord has all the experience of all its former incarnations. If it beat him with easy the first time it is simply not possible for it to lose to the same foe a second time.

Unless Calgon did the unthinkable and scrapped the Codex

Marbo! Lol.

Orblivion wrote:Ahriman anyone? I think he could be a very strong contender.

He's pretty powerful - his fighting skills are up there with the majority of combat lords - but he's too reliant on boosts from exterior sources to really count as a fighter. More of an eldritch knight really.

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Not counting the best dudes, Lucius is probably the best fighter. Comparing him to at least Kharn, he has vastly more impressive combat feats.

Lucius has been beat loads times, just look at his armour

I think Kharn would beat Lucius pretty easily, their styles of combat are too different. One fights with skill and finesse, the other fight with strength and brutality, and even with that Kharn is no slouch by any means. I think Tarvitz and Loken showed us this best.

 Deadshot wrote:


Not only that, the Swarmlord has all the experience of all its former incarnations. If it beat him with easy the first time it is simply not possible for it to lose to the same foe a second time.

Unless Calgon did the unthinkable and scrapped the Codex

That is only in terms of strategy. In one on one combat the Swarmlord knows everything he can do. How he moves, his strength, speed and skill.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Not counting the best dudes, Lucius is probably the best fighter. Comparing him to at least Kharn, he has vastly more impressive combat feats.

Lucius has been beat loads times, just look at his armour

I think Kharn would beat Lucius pretty easily, their styles of combat are too different. One fights with skill and finesse, the other fight with strength and brutality, and even with that Kharn is no slouch by any means. I think Tarvitz and Loken showed us this best.

 Deadshot wrote:


Not only that, the Swarmlord has all the experience of all its former incarnations. If it beat him with easy the first time it is simply not possible for it to lose to the same foe a second time.

Unless Calgon did the unthinkable and scrapped the Codex

That is only in terms of strategy. In one on one combat the Swarmlord knows everything he can do. How he moves, his strength, speed and skill.

Well, he didn't know that time Calgon beat him

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Not counting the best dudes, Lucius is probably the best fighter. Comparing him to at least Kharn, he has vastly more impressive combat feats.

Lucius has been beat loads times, just look at his armour

I think Kharn would beat Lucius pretty easily, their styles of combat are too different. One fights with skill and finesse, the other fight with strength and brutality, and even with that Kharn is no slouch by any means. I think Tarvitz and Loken showed us this best.

 Deadshot wrote:


Not only that, the Swarmlord has all the experience of all its former incarnations. If it beat him with easy the first time it is simply not possible for it to lose to the same foe a second time.

Unless Calgon did the unthinkable and scrapped the Codex

That is only in terms of strategy. In one on one combat the Swarmlord knows everything he can do. How he moves, his strength, speed and skill.

Well, he didn't know that time Calgon beat him

Which is why its a terrible piece of fluff meant to make PapaSmurf seem cool. Not to mention that story was first told in some random White Dwarf.f

Well the initial encounter between the swarmlord and Calgar wasn't a one vs one. According to the 6th Ed Tyranid dex

... their deaths did more than delay the Space Marines, but it would prove enough, Calgar would have to face the Swarmlord and its bodyguards alone.

Calgar fought like a hero of legend, but there were simply to many foes and he was finally laid low, his body rent and torn. Calgars last strength was expended in mortal combat with the swarmlord itself.

From the 5th ed Codex

Then the Swarmlord bellowed a challenge to Calgar and, leading a body guard of Tyrant Guard and Tyranid Warriors, the Hive Tyrant plunged into the fray

And on their encounter on Ichar IV

In a replay of history , Marneus Calgar faced none other than the Swarmlord - a reincarnation of the same beast that laid him low on Mcgragge - during the final battle for Ichar IV. This time however, it would be Calgar who emerged triumphant, slaying the beast in an epic duel.

So it's from the Tyranid codex and not a random White Dwarf

 Pilau Rice wrote:
Well the initial encounter between the swarmlord and Calgar wasn't a one vs one. According to the 6th Ed Tyranid dex

... their deaths did more than delay the Space Marines, but it would prove enough, Calgar would have to face the Swarmlord and its bodyguards alone.

Calgar fought like a hero of legend, but there were simply to many foes and he was finally laid low, his body rent and torn. Calgars last strength was expended in mortal combat with the swarmlord itself.

And on their encounter on Ichar IV

In a replay of history , Marneus Calgar faced none other than the Swarmlord - a reincarnation of the same beast that laid him low on Mcgragge - during the final battle for Ichar IV. This time however, it would be Calgar who emerged triumphant, slaying the beast in an epic duel.

So it's from the Tyranid codex and not a random White Dwarf

I think he was talking about how they changed the original fluff from the WD (which came out first)