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2014/10/23 22:55:40
Subject: Re:Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
EDIT: I must of missed the source material of Hulk vs Ironman.
I don't think the full plot details have been revealed yet, but from what I understand, Tony is concerned about Hulk losing control after he sees him in action so he builds the Hulkbuster armor in case he ever needed to take him down. I'm guessing Banner finds out about it (maybe by way of Ultron because he was built by Tony in this continuity) and doesn't take too kindly to it so they fight it out.
Just a guess though.
Just to play on your guess a bit here.... Tony isn't in the Hulkbuster suit, Ultron is either physically inside it, or is controlling it somehow.
Judging from the rest of the trailer clip, it seems as though Stark has built his "IM drones" because he's "retired" from the superhero game (as basically every clip of him in the trailer he's in civilian clothes.
I could see it tying in with the breaking of Cap's shield, Wakanda being the largest source of Vibrainium and all that. Part of me hopes that, if it happens, doesn't come into the A2 film much, as between Ultron and Strucker there's enough going on.
Another somewhat wild guess.... BP will show up in the after-credits scene, or after the fight someone will be talking about needing more vibranium, and a silhouetted man shows up and says, "I may know where to get Vibranium"
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2014/10/24 00:16:52
Subject: Re:Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Well to be fair, Tony is always in his civilian clothes... I mean, he rocks a suit and tie under his armor in Iron Man 2.
Even I think he's fighting the Hulk without any outside interference, I still enjoy speculation as much as everyone so carry on!
I also saw something interesting on another site: someone took a still of the Hulk's face and it kinda looks like the blue "veins" are near his eyes similar to what Selvig and Hawkeye had when under control by Loki's staff.
Interesting...
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2014/10/24 00:40:49
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Hulksmash wrote: I don't know. If the budgets are even close to the same I'd say that Ant-Man is a far greater risk. Guardians had that epic sense of adventure and scope, even in the previews. Plus it laughed at itself. I have to say that personally between the two I would put Ant-man way down the ladder in comparison.
You did see the part that said Paul Rudd is Ant-Man, right?
I think Ant-Man will have the right blend of comedy, adventure and SF to do quite well.
I think they're possible building up the next wave of Avengers here, for when the Big Stars are No Longer Interested.
Not saying that's what's going on, or even if that would 'work', but...
You did see where I said in comparison to Guardians it's more of a risk, right?
Paul Rudd hasn't had a hit movie in how long? It's not that I don't think Marvel won't make it work. I think it'll be fine. Just that Ant-man is more of a risk if the budget's the same than Guardians ever was. Guardians also, outside of the movie itself, had super easy commercial tie-in's that make most of the rest of the movies seem tame with Groot and Rocket.
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2014/10/24 02:16:39
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
He was in Anchorman 2 last year and it got good reviews and made a ton of money.
I'd still say that in comparison to Guardians, GotG was more a risk. Guardians had relatively unknown characters, an ensemble cast, and it was led by an actor who had never carried a movie before (you can't count the LEGO Movie because he was cast before that came out); it had so much working against it and they pulled it off.
Ant-Man, while not a marquee character, is more well known than the Guardians because he is an old school Avenger (hell, even the old guys I work with, who know next to nothing about comics, remember Ant-Man was from their childhood) and has two pretty big names attached to it: Paul Rudd and Michael Douglas. It is still a risk, but not near as much as Guardians was.
EDIT: my terrible grammar and spelling
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2014/10/24 02:29:46
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
I think you guys are looking at it thru a prism of knowledge of comics and not actual movies and merchandising. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Either way Avengers 2 looks sick!
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2014/10/24 10:59:25
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Hulksmash wrote: I think you guys are looking at it thru a prism of knowledge of comics and not actual movies and merchandising. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Either way Avengers 2 looks sick!
Agreed. Outside dusty comic book stores "Ant Man" sounds like a SNL spoof. Also agreed on the serious note. One of the many reasons I wasn't impressed with IM3 was that it was trying to be serious. If I want serious and vaguely depressing, I can watch better movies. Guys in spandex don't cut it for "serious."
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2014/10/24 11:34:57
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Hulksmash wrote: I think you guys are looking at it thru a prism of knowledge of comics and not actual movies and merchandising. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Either way Avengers 2 looks sick!
Merchandising GotG was a massive risk too. Marvel was banking on being able to sell an obscure talking raccoon and tree in a movie that people may not like. That's a huge risk; if the product you offer sucks, the merchandise is worthless.
It's was bigger risk all around; the fact that Guardians featured unknown characters had a lot to do with the risk (you can't discount that), but it was an effects-laden sci-fi film with an ensemble cast led by an unknown actor. Outside of storied franchises (Star Trek, Star Wars), that is some pretty hard gak to sell.
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2014/10/24 13:39:39
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Hulksmash wrote: I think you guys are looking at it thru a prism of knowledge of comics and not actual movies and merchandising. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Ya think? I like Paul Rudd, but no one should be pretending he's A-list or bank at the box office.
And Guardians also doesn't mean that everything that Marvel touches will be gold. I'm sure Ant-Man will be fine. But in general I think Marvel may have a harder time as they're forced to replace heroes and dip deeper into their pool of characters.
Edit: A2 looks good, I guess...another smash-em-up.
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2014/10/24 22:45:04
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
gorgon wrote: Edit: A2 looks good, I guess...another smash-em-up.
This is an Avenger's movie. What were you expecting?
Plot?
Given the single preceeding Avengers movie, what made you expect a good plot? The first movie was fantastic, but the plot was super basic. Its strength came from all of those characters playing off of each other with some pretty good performances to back it up.
2014/10/25 02:39:42
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
gorgon wrote: Edit: A2 looks good, I guess...another smash-em-up.
This is an Avenger's movie. What were you expecting?
Plot?
Given the single preceeding Avengers movie, what made you expect a good plot? The first movie was fantastic, but the plot was super basic. Its strength came from all of those characters playing off of each other with some pretty good performances to back it up.
You're overrating the acting IMO (the film didn't exactly call for nuanced performances), but basically I'm not allowed to expect anything better?
Okay fine, that just confirms my somewhat lukewarm feelings about the thing. *shrug*
gorgon wrote: Edit: A2 looks good, I guess...another smash-em-up.
This is an Avenger's movie. What were you expecting?
Plot?
Given the single preceeding Avengers movie, what made you expect a good plot? The first movie was fantastic, but the plot was super basic. Its strength came from all of those characters playing off of each other with some pretty good performances to back it up.
You're overrating the acting IMO (the film didn't exactly call for nuanced performances), but basically I'm not allowed to expect anything better?
Okay fine, that just confirms my somewhat lukewarm feelings about the thing. *shrug*
The Avenger movies are ensemble cast action-comedy popcorn movies, I've never expected much more than explosions, jokes, and minimum plot to move things along.
2014/10/25 06:15:02
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
The Avenger movies are ensemble cast action-comedy popcorn movies, I've never expected much more than explosions, jokes, and minimum plot to move things along.
Agreed...While movies like Die Hard or Expendables arent necessarily "ensemble cast" movies, when you see a trailer for them, or go to the theater/DVD shop, etc. you know EXACTLY what you're getting in the bargain.
2014/10/25 06:44:04
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
The Avenger movies are ensemble cast action-comedy popcorn movies, I've never expected much more than explosions, jokes, and minimum plot to move things along.
Agreed...While movies like Die Hard or Expendables arent necessarily "ensemble cast" movies, when you see a trailer for them, or go to the theater/DVD shop, etc. you know EXACTLY what you're getting in the bargain.
Very true.
I also don't think that there is anything wrong with expecting a movie like that with the addition of a well-rounded plot, some deep morality tale, or more complex characters. I just know that The Avengers won't have that.
2014/10/25 08:47:45
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
gorgon wrote: Edit: A2 looks good, I guess...another smash-em-up.
This is an Avenger's movie. What were you expecting?
Plot?
Given the single preceeding Avengers movie, what made you expect a good plot? The first movie was fantastic, but the plot was super basic. Its strength came from all of those characters playing off of each other with some pretty good performances to back it up.
You're overrating the acting IMO (the film didn't exactly call for nuanced performances), but basically I'm not allowed to expect anything better?
Okay fine, that just confirms my somewhat lukewarm feelings about the thing. *shrug*
I never said they were great performances. They were good, and fit the movie, which is what you want. When you've got a guy in a robot suit standing next a technomagic version of a Norse god, making fun of a super soldier from the 1940's and trying to prod a genius into becoming a big rage monster, nuanced performances aren't what you should be expecting. The performances were pretty good for, as said, popcorn action-comedy.
And I'm not saying you can't expect more, just pointing out why expecting more is flawed. Like, discussing in a discussion forum.
Spaders voice work for Ultron is amazing. Easily the best part of the trailer, but then, the trailer didn't exactly show much of the heroes except being sad and angry and big explosions. Hopefully newer trailers give us some more.
2014/10/25 08:54:22
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
I'm not saying that Tony isn't in the suit, just thinking of other possibilities. I mean, this is about a malevolent AI that comes from Iron Man's drone work. The idea that Ultron uses an Iron Man suit to attack the team isn't really that out there. I get the impression he doesn't have a body initially. Look at the team when they show him animating that other Iron Man suit, then of course there is the line "There are no strings on me" when he is in his own body. Again, all speculation. Might not be like that at all.
Noted.
I think there is a good chance that what happens in the movie might involve something along those lines, especially in regards with Ultron commandeering an Iron Man suit.
Doesn't it look like there is a scene in there where a lot of the suits that may have been in Stark's house as it fell into the ocean come shooting out of the water?
2014/10/27 13:45:45
Subject: Re:Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
Looks good - I am hoping for as exciting and well crafted a movie as the first one - good characterisation, snappy dialogue and an exciting plot make better films than being pretentious just to keep the film critics happy.
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Updated from Agents of SHIELD (I'm guessing). Most of it is the same but the beginning is a fun scene of the different Avengers trying to lift Mjolnir*.
Spoiler:
*Cap is the only one that moves it just a little. The look on Thor's face is hilarious.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/10/29 07:32:53
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
They also added what appears to be Black Widow looking at a picture/video of the Loki's staff on a tablet. Interesting...
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2014/10/29 13:37:03
Subject: Avengers 2: Age of Ultron first official trailer
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
This is an Avenger's movie. What were you expecting? The Seventh Seal?
