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A Zoanthrope is just hands down better than the Maleceptor. 50 pts. A 3++ invulnerable. Does all the same Synapse / Shadows, has a better stock power, same mastery level... and BS 4!

rollawaythestone wrote:
A Zoanthrope is just hands down better than the Maleceptor. 50 pts. A 3++ invulnerable. Does all the same Synapse / Shadows, has a better stock power, same mastery level... and BS 4!

I am a real negative nelly today but my god do I dislike GW right now.

If they don't give us some cool new formations in the campaign book to make up for this I will not be impressed.
here's hoping.

I think we need a Tyranid player's support group to deal with the emotional trauma...

So the maleceptor comes with a power that is not from the Tyranid discipline. It has Mastery Level 2. So questions arise.

Does it generate one or two additional powers?
Would it be able to benefit from Psychic Focus?

Well, since he chooses them all from the Hive discipline, he gets the primaris, right? Auto-assigned powers aren't chosen.

rollawaythestone wrote:
A Zoanthrope is just hands down better than the Maleceptor. 50 pts. A 3++ invulnerable. Does all the same Synapse / Shadows, has a better stock power, same mastery level... and BS 4!

A zoanthrope has 1 wound, not 5. A zoanthrope has toughness 4, not 6. A zoanthrope does not have 3 strength 6 ap 2 attacks, smash, hammer of wrath, or fear.


I don't know about the better stock power. Personally I think that any shooting attack that relies on a psychic power is garbage, so you won't hear me saying that psychic overload is absurdly good, but d3 wounds with no saves on whatever model you want is no joke.


I'm not saying this guy is amazingly awesome, but I think comparing him to a zoanthrope is unfair. A land speeder is "just hands down better" than a land raider if you compare it in terms of mobility, cost, and firepower, but the two are so different that they don't really bear a comparison.

To be fair, a Zoanthrope has 2 Wounds.

But I think it is a valid comparison, because they compete for the same role in the army. It's not the same as comparing Landspeeder and Land Raider. How about comparing a Hive Tyrant to the Maleceptor then. 160 pts and it has everything the Maleceptor has and so much much more.

A Zoanthrope has 2 wounds, not one. Three single Zoeys costs 150 and generates 6 warp charge, and they are considered unreliable due to the fact that you have to pass WC 2 and hit at BS 4. This one adds another layer with a Ld check. The Maleceptor's power could be better than Warp Blast, but I suspect it's a wash most of the time because you need 3 successes to pull of a focused witchfire, so most of the time your just killing 1D3 closest dudes, and they are probably not the ones you needed to kill (i.e. the guy with the Lascannon, or the Priest or Fireblade or whatever).

And just citing the MC rules is not really going to convince anybody. Consider you could have a flyrant (sans guns) for 5 points less, or with 2xTL Devs for 25 points more. It's really no contest which one is better.

The only use I can see for this thing is some sort of psyker assassin combined with Shadows in the Warp (fly your flyrant forward to drop enemy Psykers' Ld, then hit it with this power), but it's still really iffy at BS 3 and WC 2.

It seems to fill a role that doesn't need filling, frankly. Cool model, though.

Is there really no option to buy standard Tyranid MC upgrades for these guys? I would really like to give Regen or Adglands to the Toxicrene.

I see these being used in themed, friendly games. So that's cool.

Looking forward to saving myself £45 each by not buying either of these Turkeyfexes.

I will probably grab the campaign set though.

Well the Maleceptor will make Ripetides and Wraithknights pretty disappointed if he can hit them, but the Toxicrene is pretty cool.

The Maleceptor looks really off to me in a way that the Toxicrene doesn't.

Not sure about the rules yet but those models are okay. Hopefully the campaign book/supplement is worth buying too

I don't really understand why they felt the need to impose that "an enemy unit can only be targeted once" condition. It reduces the reliability of achieving what you want by even more and renders the Maleceptor even more useless if there are fewer than 3 enemy targets available. I don't see how they thought 3 attempts at one enemy target is that overpowered.

Because it might have a chance (however abysmal) at actually killing something worthwhile? Can't have that.


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Does Toxic Miasma benefit from Hypertoxic? Unless there is a clause stating that Toxic Miasma benefits from no special rules, etc, I could see a strong case for Toxic Miasma causing ID on a 6.

rollawaythestone wrote:
Because it might have a chance (however abysmal) at actually killing something worthwhile? Can't have that.


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Does Toxic Miasma benefit from Hypertoxic? Unless there is a clause stating that Toxic Miasma benefits from no special rules, etc, I could see a strong case for Toxic Miasma causing ID on a 6.

I think it's pretty clear that's the case.

I'll ask again in case anyone has the wd: is there any indication these new creatures can take the standard upgrades like regen, etc?

Lol.

I can already see those Toxicrene-tentacles wiping whole squads of miniatures from the board.



Nid Player: Let me turn my Toxicrene on the spot.

*clatter*, *clatter*, *clatter*.

SoB Player: Nooooooooooo! Those were my 10 quid a pop vintage, OOP Seraphim that just splintered on the floor!!!!



Also, if you ever put that Toxicrene into one of the official GW buildings, you'll probably need your clippers to ever get it out again.

Haha. Literally destroying whole units.

There are some more photos on the http://astropate.blogspot.com/ blog

Direct Link: http://astropate.blogspot.de/2014/10/nuovi-tiranidi-regole-complete-di.html#more

Warhams-77 wrote:
There are some more photos on the http://astropate.blogspot.com/ blog

Direct Link: http://astropate.blogspot.de/2014/10/nuovi-tiranidi-regole-complete-di.html#more

Um... yeah. My words. "Wider than a Baneblade with sponsons". Holy!

I was looking over the tryanid model selection to speculate what their side of the campaign box would look like... and it occured to me that the Brood Lord is still Finecrap.

The ork side of the box was
Gretchin 16.50
Nobz 25.00
Kanz 46.25

I'm thinking
Hormagaunts (10-12)
Genestealers (4)
Warriors (3)

this page is interesting.



it's like they are trying to say " No honest, it doesn't totally suck!

you're right. to be fair it doesn't totally suck but for the following two reasons I won't bother:

1. Dimachaeron does it better.
2. It's lash whips are ridiculously too long/wide.


Also rules side note:

by the sounds of their recommendations for cover, it looks like intervening model works just by having a model in front of another model from a third party- not covering 25%!

interesting!

 Wilson wrote:
this page is interesting.

it's like they are trying to say " No honest, it doesn't totally suck!

you're right. to be fair it doesn't totally suck but for the following two reasons I won't bother:

1. Dimachaeron does it better.
2. It's lash whips are ridiculously too long/wide.

The close combat monster managed to be stuck in combat with dire avengers for 4 round.

That is statistically average results, killing 2.5 per turn. (ignoring the one extra attack and HoW if it got the charge)

The sad part is that at some point, Toxic misma must have been a viable option but it was probably not used.

Interesting catch. It's pretty clear they are playing the 'interveneing model' rules very differently than is commonly accepted.

Seriously. As noted, the only interesting thing with this release is that the WD crew seem to play that you don't need to be 25% obscured to recieve a cover save from intervening models.

I think that the Toxicrene is pretty good for it's point cost. Really deadly in assault. Two of them could easilly kill monsters that are worth much more than them.

The maefactor seems like a big pile of uselesness.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think that the Toxicrene is pretty good for it's point cost. Really deadly in assault. Two of them could easilly kill monsters that are worth much more than them.

The maefactor seems like a big pile of uselesness.

but it's a footslogger that doesn't even have access to adrenal glands, has a 4+ save and is WS3.

The toxicrene-I guess it's like a Nid version of a Maulerfiend that farts people to death and doesn't move as fast.

 Wilson wrote:
Also rules side note:

by the sounds of their recommendations for cover, it looks like intervening model works just by having a model in front of another model from a third party- not covering 25%!

interesting!

I've always suspected this is how the rule is supposed to work... but given I collect Tyranids I always thought I was being biased.

But it does really open up some tactics. Suddenly your venomthrope covered TMC's have a 3+ cover save if you put some small bugs in front of them, makes a huge difference compared to 5+.