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Maybe that Fantasy Deadzone they're definitely never going to make

 NTRabbit wrote:
I wonder what that mid year project is going to be then? They don't have another license lined up, gotta be home grown.

It's going to be funding thisnew faction, I bet money on it.


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 RobertsMinis wrote:
Space naval game?

Ronnie addressed this in the seminar video. Basically they're not going to do it due to the little support space combat games get from the community, although if there is a big enough community push (as always with Mantic) they may do a small project in comjunction with FFG using their existing rules.

Holy sweet jesus DO IT!

Like, yesterday.

Is there a petition thread? Cause I'm there.

Enforcers dogfighting junky marauder ships and trying to stop plague-crewed ships from running blockades around deadzones? Ooooh yeah.

Plus the X-wing rules seem really nice. And mantic's scifi scene has already been pretty heavy into the cards so why stop now.

Not as sure about the newer system that comes with the big ships, but X-Wing seems pretty awesome but I'd like cheaper plastic/restic/metal ships that I get to paint myself that come from Mantic's warpath universe.

FFG rules, Mantic value? Consider me... Interested...

I'm not a fan of space combat games, but I'd think it would be better if it followed WP and more expansion to the background of the IP. Just my 2 pence.

There's a lot of neat mini-fluff on the x-wing cards, warpath needs some big books brimming with fluff (and good rules) but even little details and characters included on upgrades and character cards like in X-wing would be nice.

 Paradigm wrote:
FFG rules, Mantic value? Consider me... Interested...

BlaineWing

 .Mikes. wrote:
Basically they're not going to do it due to the little support space combat games get from the community,

Probably because GW was the only company to have made more than a half-assed attempt at it in the first place? BFG was pretty big until Specialist Games got axed.

 Theophony wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
FFG rules, Mantic value? Consider me... Interested...

BlaineWing

I'd be in for Blaine piloting a Firespray

Having played X-Wing a couple of times I feel it would be interesting to try a decent capital ship combat game, though I really like the dogfighting in X-wing. I'd take both , but if I had to pick the smaller scale would be more to my interest.

 Alex C wrote:
Maybe that Fantasy Deadzone they're definitely never going to make

They want to do it, but Jake doesn't have the bandwidth to work on it in the near future, so unless another designer appears with a solid concept it's not going to be soon.

Nobody really supports space combat because I dont think anyone has done it justice yet. I like Firestorm Armada but those ships are just too LOLHEWGE (though I do love painting them if you look at my gallery) and the ranges too large for a standard gaming table. It always ends up last two ships circling each other.
Now if they did it with smaller ships and ranges so you could actually do fleet manuevers it would be of interest,

Hawk Wargames, the Dropzone Commander guys are currently working on a Spaceship game set in the DZC units.

A spaceship game with a ruleset written by none other than Andy Chambers, who did BFG.

I played a game called Full Thrust last night, which was a bit... overcomplicated, even with the 'easy' rules.

I hope they get someone else other then Jake to do the rules for the KoW Deadzone version as it gives Mantic another games designer to work with (I know Alliesio does WP and KoW). They really could do with an in house games designer. Also I feel Jakes rules whilst good they aren't the best and I feel the force balance needs a lot of work (hello dz rebels and DB forge fathers I'm looking at you). They really need to lay of dreadball for a bit as well as deadzone (it doesn't need an add on just yet). Concentrate on getting Warpath ready and getting hard plastic kits out for Warpath and KoW. Even if you do a KS for just plastic sprues people will go mad for them.

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 RobertsMinis wrote:
Space naval game?

Ronnie addressed this in the seminar video. Basically they're not going to do it due to the little support space combat games get from the community.

X-Wing is huge where I live, bigger than any Mantic game. I can see no reason not to make it happen. Ships cast in pre-assembled coloured plastic, get a whole fleet in a box for £15, that would be awesome.

Compel - Stick with Full Thrust, it is a great set of rules even if the book-keeping is a bit tricky. I recommend using the vector movement rules, they are pretty simple and lots of fun, really capture the motion of moving around in space. Use matchsticks to track your current vector, leaving them in place after you drift your ship, then make the thrust move with the ship and draw a line from the start and end points using a tape measure to give you your new vector (the angle of the tape measure) and your new drift speed (the distance on the tape measure).

I certainly feel that they need to get more rules staff on board - while there is something to be said for having a singular vision (as some of the better-known boardgame designers like Knizia or Daviau can demonstrate), a wargame is an inherently non-precise thing that needs a lot of brains throwing out ideas and finding problems.

I will say that Mantic's current approach for 'boardgame' rules makes it much more likely that the games I own will get played - if you understand Dreadball then it's much easier to understand Mars Attacks, if you understand Mars Attacks then Deadzone is only a bit more complex.

For what it's worth, I think that the current focus on boardgames/skirmish games is a good one. It enables them to create multiple full revenue-generating products and expansions (and with a lot of the content for the price, as the production costs have essentially already been paid), extends their brand and IP presence, and in some cases is actually creating content for the wargame-level stuff directly.

I do fully understand that this is frustrating if you have an attitude of "I'd really like to play your Sci-Fi wargame, please"! "Just a second, we need to wrap up shipping Deadzone first. Oh, and we need to deliver Mars Attacks. And Kings of War needs a little fleshing out. Can't forget about all of those Deadzone plastics! Ah, and we should really push for a Deazone expansion while we're at it. Will probably Kickstart Warpath at some point next year though! Of course, delivery will take 6+ months, so you probably won't see anything until 2016..."

 DaveC wrote:
DBX started shipping this morning

Oh, good, I will have new missing parts before I get the missing parts from their last KS.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
DBX started shipping this morning

Oh, good, I will have new missing parts before I get the missing parts from their last KS.

Dont be silly. You wont have any missing parts. At all.




Theyre missing after all.
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Sorry. Had to be done.

From the comments this wave consists of the lithograph, transfer sheet and the boxed game with 2 bags of each team (10 per bag) (Convicts and Asterians only), 2 bags of Free Agents (9 per bag) Blaine and the Warden are also in this bag so apparently you get 2 of each and two bags of crates/scenery. Wave 2 which is the rest of Season 4 and some 3rd party bits to follow in January and wave 3 season 5 and 6 in May/June

The Asterians and Convicts are all together in one bag. You get 2 of these bags, so 2 sets of each team

 DaveC wrote:
DBX started shipping this morning theres a video on facebook of all the packed boxes so far waiting for collection by Royal Mail. Wave 1 appears to be the same for everyone boxed game plus one or 2 bits so hopefully mispacks at a minimum.

Any idea when DZ W3 ships?

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Nobody really supports space combat because I dont think anyone has done it justice yet. I like Firestorm Armada but those ships are just too LOLHEWGE (though I do love painting them if you look at my gallery) and the ranges too large for a standard gaming table. It always ends up last two ships circling each other.

To be fair, I can't think of many games of BFG that didn't end in the same way.

Same too with a lot of naval games, I think it's just a consequence of any game where you have limited turn radius and template movement.

Ignore me

At a guess they will prioritise and finish DBX shipping first as everyone is getting the same its easy to pack plus they will want it in peoples hands by Christmas. Deadzone wave 3 has a lot of packing options even for the small amount of product offered it should follow straight after DBX some people might get it just before Christmas some after.

Mantic never seem to combine shipping for projects even if it would save them money I guess its just a packing headache to mix projects. I'm waiting on DBX, DZ wave 3 and a SciFi Christmas box the Christmas box shipped yesterday.

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Ignore me

Grand Galactic Inquisitor?

 Alex C wrote:
Maybe that Fantasy Deadzone they're definitely never going to make

Would love this - if they did modular fantasy terrain it would be as wallet crushing as DZ for me.

I'd love some modular fantasy terrain.

We've used plenty of DZ buildings as fantasy stand ins as it is.

Not sure why, but I really want to see me some market stalls done up in plastic.

Modular stone plastic castle/dungeon walls and wooden buildings, the square system probably won't suit natural geography.

What might be nice is "magic" barriers that are translucent plastic, the tech could translate nicely into forcefield walls for DZ/Warpath

 Alex C wrote:

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Ignore me

Grand Galactic Inquisitor?

IGNORE ME!

Got my missing parts order for the miscast fortified walls and it was 12 of the sprues that don't have walls on them. Lol