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If they are cheap enough, I might get some and I'll cut off the arms right below the shoulders and find new heads and then I'll need to find lower arms and weapons.

 frozenwastes wrote:
If they are cheap enough, I might get some and I'll cut off the arms right below the shoulders and find new heads and then I'll need to find lower arms and weapons.

Why not just buy figures with heads and arms you like?

Why reward mediocrity like this?

 frozenwastes wrote:
If they are cheap enough, I might get some and I'll cut off the arms right below the shoulders and find new heads and then I'll need to find lower arms and weapons.

Four dollars per mini.

Four dollars per mini.

It was worth repeating.


Still, I'll take all your unwanted melty-looking weapons for postage and maybe a bit more.

Whoa, wait, seriously?

You guys are bitching over the arms on the sprue - that we already KNEW about? Should I refresh everyone's memories?

For literal feth's sake, guys.

Just as a reminder, since everyone has forgotten, you get SIX rifle arms, TWO heavy weapons arms - EIGHT right arms for FIVE Peacekeepers.

NOVEMBER 13 2014 - from this very thread, page 9, pics were posted, and everyone fawned over them. Why the sudden change? Note that you can clearly see the arms.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Peacekeepers are on a boat and on their way:









"These Enforcer Peacekeeper sprues are on a boat to us from the manufacturer and are due in at the start of the December. They will ship, alongside the Enforcer and Forge Guard sprues, plus anything you might have ordered in the third survey, as soon as the last component has arrived! "

Well to be fair it's more like 30 that all look five ways. So more six squads that all look the same, I guess.

Some of the arms probably aren't like that, but it seems like any of the rifles going across the chest will be.


*And now that I see the page flip and that it's really only 2/5 rifle arms, it's really even less bad. Even with space marines, the rifles and arms only fit so many ways and you'll still end up with similar/repeated poses if you have enough of them.

Actually yeah looking at the sprue closely... There are *six* rifle arms for some reason, plus an incinerator (ooh and laser). You could technically build a unit using none of the "bad arms" if you don't mind having a heavy weapon.

Yep never mind, I must just be grouchy today, looking at the sprues a second time has re-sold me on them.

Thanks JD for putting me back to my senses.

 GrimDork wrote:
Well to be fair it's more like 30 that all look five ways. So more six squads that all look the same, I guess.

Some of the arms probably aren't like that, but it seems like any of the rifles going across the chest will be.

Five different torsos with different left/right leg combos and multiple extra weapons options you're going to assemble them all the same as clones of a set of five?

The new Space Marine tactical squads are even less variable than the old ones. - In fact, they're very similar now to the current restic enforcers.

If you wanna complain about monopose, the thing to complain about is how the legs meet up with the bodies, those won't be nearly as variable as the arms.

But you ninja'ed me. I modified my post after I realized a page-flip and took a second look at the sprues (again). I still think the legs will be the weakest part but I was never worried about having clone units anyway. I was just replying to Agnosto there.

 GrimDork wrote:
If you wanna complain about monopose, the thing to complain about is how the legs meet up with the bodies, those won't be nearly as variable as the arms.

But you ninja'ed me. I modified my post after I realized a page-flip and took a second look at the sprues (again). I still think the legs will be the weakest part but I was never worried about having clone units anyway. I was just replying to Agnosto there.

Gotcha. I dunno, the fact we have separate left and right legs, and they are literally all different, .. how many different combinations is that? 125 just for torso/right leg/left leg alone? and then 625 total combinations including 6 rifles variants? That seems right on the money to me, way better than the Forge Father Steel Warriors sprue. I'm really happy I bought 15.
Actually, I'd like more. If anyone wants to sell them at KS price, $10 for five, I would like another 5 or 10. Any takers?

 Daedleh wrote:
Because they've already done one with pictures of the sprues?

Because if they did then you'd be complaining that they're too busy sending out updates rather than sending out minis?

Would anyone (with sense) really complain about either of those things? I mean, it's the internet, so someone will complain about any action or lack thereof - but the updates Doug suggested sounded quite reasonable.

We'll have to see how many leg combinations there *really* are though. I'm with you and I'm majority positive on the set. But this happened with the zombie sprues too. Some of the pieces just don't go together like you'd assume looking at the sprue. Several of the heads only match up well to one torso, and certain of the arms are the same way.

I think "kneeling legs guy" is only going to have one "real" leg combination. With cutting and maybe some minimal greenstuff work you can probably vary even that, but stock plastic and glue I think he's only gonna go one way well.

Again though, thanks for reposting the kit, I think I just caught the negativity bug earlier, lack of sunlight maybe

 GrimDork wrote:
We'll have to see how many leg combinations there *really* are though. I'm with you and I'm majority positive on the set. But this happened with the zombie sprues too. Some of the pieces just don't go together like you'd assume looking at the sprue. Several of the heads only match up well to one torso, and certain of the arms are the same way.

I think "kneeling legs guy" is only going to have one "real" leg combination. With cutting and maybe some minimal greenstuff work you can probably vary even that, but stock plastic and glue I think he's only gonna go one way well.

Even limiting certain legs to certain torsos, and hell, let's say certain arms to certain torsos, you're still looking at least a hundred combinations of just rifle guys alone.

But again, this is why I want Mantic to send us some nice high quality shots of assembled minis in, y'know, a KS update, and not some random video blog.

I doubt you'll be able to use each right leg with each left leg, but there will still be plenty of variation to play with. I really think these will look great when painted up in a good scheme.

 RobertsMinis wrote:
I doubt you'll be able to use each right leg with each left leg, but there will still be plenty of variation to play with. I really think these will look great when painted up in a good scheme.

And then cutting and GS will make the kits infinitely poseable, just as with current GW kits and really any other plastic kit, which is why plastics are so wonderful - easy to assemble as stock and easy to convert.

So I played my first game of DBX tonight. In fact my first sports game ever. Quite liked it.

^Good to hear, maybe I'll enjoy it too

I mostly got it for the various minis to weaponize and convert for deadzone and modeling purposes but if the game is fun that's just a plus.

CptJake wrote:
Why not just buy figures with heads and arms you like?

Why reward mediocrity like this?

I think the legs, torsos and shoulders are awesome. And I can't really think of a high tech looking suit of sci-fi power armour that will be nice and big and look good on 40mm warmachine style bases.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Four dollars per mini.

Four dollars per mini.

It was worth repeating.

Still, I'll take all your unwanted melty-looking weapons for postage and maybe a bit more.

If my local store can get them in for me at $20 per 5 (so probably $23.99 CAD) I'll probably grab a set and I'll post here about the arms/weapons. If a resin bitz manufacturer sold these torsos, legs and shoulders, I'd be interested just for those and that would cost more than these hard plastic ones.

judgedoug wrote:You guys are bitching over the arms on the sprue - that we already KNEW about? Should I refresh everyone's memories?

I'm sorry, but I'm not a serious Mantic follower. I pay attention here and there and have been waiting for a high res closeup of these miniatures. The previous images give a sense that there are flat spots on the inside of the guns and arms, but the video really showed what it was like.

And it's not just the flat detail less areas that make repositioning those arms pointless, it's also some of the design choices that I don't like. Like the tiny hands and thin arms on some arms but huge beefy ones on others. I get that it's like a GW terminator with one big marshmellow fist and one normal marine fist, but I don't like those either.

What I would love would be ten hands like the big punching fist and then I'd mount a gun onto one of their forearms. Maybe on the back, maybe underslung. That'd look awesome.

For people wanting these for Deadzone, I think they're decent. I don't like the mushy look of the details on some parts, but the price is right.

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 squall018 wrote:
That is SUPER dissapointing. I wanted to buy some, but I'm not going to now. Everyone's enforcers will look EXACTLY the same.

I've never said it before... but Alpharius's "almost" comes to mind.

I'm pretty sure I didn't come up with that, and Mantic certainly doesn't seem to be in a rush to shake the label themselves either...

It certainly seems to be another odd decision on their part though.

It's not... ideal? But it's two out of what maybe 8 right arms for 5 guys? So it's totally avoidable if you don't like it. Thinking back to the assembled guys we've seen so far (well masters) I do believe I like the poses those arms create. I'm just glad it's not the entire sprue.

Fair points!

I will still pay shipping and a bit more for any spare weapon arms.

 GrimDork wrote:
It's not... ideal? But it's two out of what maybe 8 right arms for 5 guys? So it's totally avoidable if you don't like it. Thinking back to the assembled guys we've seen so far (well masters) I do believe I like the poses those arms create. I'm just glad it's not the entire sprue.

Fair trade but why even have 2 like that? Would the simulation of a plastic army guy holding a gun at chest level and it not looking like it's growing out of his chest be too much to ask? Hell, GW get's that part right and they're run by a crowd of flying monkeys, circling Kirby's tower of doom.

Part of the problem here is that Mantic isn't giving us information, they're sending out production models to bloggers and we're getting snippets; I know they used to work for GW but their communication doesn't have to mirror that of their former employer... If the people in Mantic HQ would take the time to put some together and show everyone examples of what can be made from the kit.....yeah....almost seems to be a fair assessment.

 Alpharius wrote:

 squall018 wrote:
That is SUPER dissapointing. I wanted to buy some, but I'm not going to now. Everyone's enforcers will look EXACTLY the same.

I've never said it before... but Alpharius's "almost" comes to mind.

I'm pretty sure I didn't come up with that, and Mantic certainly doesn't seem to be in a rush to shake the label themselves either...

It certainly seems to be another odd decision on their part though.

Fair enough, I thought you had, Alph.

Grim, you do make a fair point that you can just not use them. But why have those two inferior pieces on an otherwise pretty awesome sprue?

That is also a fair point. I think they may end up being some of the cooler poses as far as actually aiming down the sights, but if that isn't the case then fail.

If I wanted them to be "as is" then I think they'll turn out fine. My hope for the kit was to do as much chopping and reposing as I remember doing back when I worked with GW marine plastics. Obviously it's not so bad not having a couple arm and weapon pieces you can't use except in the default pose, but given 3d design programs, I think it would have been possible to figure out how to keep all the detail and still make it fit in an aiming pose.

As it stands, I think these peacekeepers + resin weapon and arm parts will make a pretty awesome sci-fi power armour trooper, even if I don't like the design or detail on the mantic weapons.

What the hell guys?

Why you no post this?

All wrapped up in your flat guns and left leg right leg how many poses debacle...



That's the kind of figure I'm gonna be highlording it up all over.

Nevermind the ball, I'm just going to have this guy eat the other team.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
What the hell guys?

Why you no post this?

All wrapped up in your flat guns and left leg right leg how many poses debacle...



That's the kind of figure I'm gonna be highlording it up all over.

Nevermind the ball, I'm just going to have this guy eat the other team.

man, that thing is almost an old 80's ninja turtles villain, awesome

I think that Mantic should have just gone with single arm firing poses. If you can't fire an assault rifle with one hand then your big bad power armor is insufficiently cool, and must be sent back to R&D immediately.

That being said, I think the compromise of shaving down the arm on the inside to get a firing pose was a reasonable one. Firing poses are hard to do in multipart plastic. I think it is disappointing, and will hurt the sales for the kit in the broader community a bit, but won't stop me from picking up the set at retail at some point.

Also, while I agree this is another "Mantic: Almost" I think they are getting closer and closer to a truly incredible plastic release. This is light years beyond their recent efforts. In another couple of years or so Mantic will release one of those kits that will keep selling for years to come and become a wargamer must have.

 Gallahad wrote:

Also, while I agree this is another "Mantic: Almost" I think they are getting closer and closer to a truly incredible plastic release. This is light years beyond their recent efforts. In another couple of years or so Mantic will release one of those kits that will keep selling for years to come and become a wargamer must have.

So, this would be the Mantic Paradox, then? Just like Zeno's Paradox, each iteration Mantic is almost the rest of the way to the finish line?










EDIT: Zeno, not Xeno. Stupid Black Library.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

JAWESOME!