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No pleasing some people I guess...

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Yep. Luckily the rules are currently available online for the new tyranid units. Hopefully they'll stay up.

Sorry, this is probably allready answered somewhere, but where exactly do I find the new unit rules online?

 Kosake wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Yep. Luckily the rules are currently available online for the new tyranid units. Hopefully they'll stay up.

Sorry, this is probably allready answered somewhere, but where exactly do I find the new unit rules online?

Under the unit entries, such as : http://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Maleceptor & http://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Toxicrene
You can download the rules to the right of their description.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
No pleasing some people I guess...

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I just prefer old sculpts, they look more "serious" though I need a closer look at venom before my final judgemetj. It's not that the new ones are bad or sth just worse in style for me. Broodlord is infinitely better ofc, toxicrene/ malaceptor I love and want both, spores are imo meh though maybe it's traditional GW paintjob effect that makes things look 10 times worse.

 Redemption wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Yep. Luckily the rules are currently available online for the new tyranid units. Hopefully they'll stay up.

Sorry, this is probably allready answered somewhere, but where exactly do I find the new unit rules online?

Under the unit entries, such as : http://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Maleceptor & http://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Toxicrene
You can download the rules to the right of their description.

Thank you, good sir, I was looking for it under that new Spore Pod or whatever it's called and it wasn't there yet. They'll probably add it once it's released.

That's what they did for the rules of the Maleceptor and Toxicrene, yes.

Can't wait for these releases. Been a little stagnant (done nothing) 40k wise for a few months and this has put my interest back into it. Thinking of using 2 pods in a 1500 list and getting a squad of each of the new zoanthrope and venomthrope models. The neurothrope looks incredible!

Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

 streamdragon wrote:
Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

3 Pyrovores and a Prime with a Miasma Cannon isn't a terrible thing to deposit on your opponent's doorstep, especially when you can drop them into terrain (since Tyrannocites, like all MCs, automatically pass Dangerous Terrain tests) and disembark them into cover that their own weapons ignore.

Drop 2 venomthropes in a pod next to them in terrain and they'll have a 3+ cover haha. I'm really thinking of doing this with 20 dev gaunts and a dakkafex, that could really cause some issues (even if it's just distraction as there's no way they could ignore either of them).

More so than the competitive aspect it'll be adding to the nids, I'm looking forward to the fun of dropping stuff in

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

3 Pyrovores and a Prime with a Miasma Cannon isn't a terrible thing to deposit on your opponent's doorstep, especially when you can drop them into terrain (since Tyrannocites, like all MCs, automatically pass Dangerous Terrain tests) and disembark them into cover that their own weapons ignore.

Pyrovores cost I could justify on a suicide squad. Doesn't the Prime + Cannon come it close to 200 points or something? (Again, no book on hand. )

 streamdragon wrote:
Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

This confusion that they are bad because of the stigma attached to their name is nonsense. For 2/3 the price of a Tyrannofex, they hit much harder, assault better, and have a cool special rule. They are not necessarily better that depends on what you want, but they are definitely on par and really really good now.

I've used them twice since the releases, they have replaced Biovores for me and I'm considering getting a second squad of three. Very nice unit. Don't sleep.

 SHUPPET wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Pyrovores still 1-3? Don't have my codex on me.

I mean, they'd still be terrible, but with a drop option a single unit to disrupt things lurking in cover (pathfinders, rangers, etc) might not be completely awful. Just mostly awful.

This confusion that they are bad because of the stigma attached to their name is nonsense. For 2/3 the price of a Tyrannofex, they hit much harder, assault better, and have a cool special rule. They are not necessarily better that depends on what you want, but they are definitely on par and really really good now.

I've used them twice since the releases, they have replaced Biovores for me and I'm considering getting a second squad of three. Very nice unit. Don't sleep.

Clarify for me, how do they assault better than an MC? Pyrovores only have A2, right? (seriously, if I'm going to talk about Nids I should really remember my codex...)

And they are up on the GW website!

£40 for a set of 3 zoanthropes (with neurothrope parts for one) OR a set of 3 venomthropes

I assume you can thus even build 1 venom - 1 zoan and one 1 neuro from a single kit.

Price I feel is maybe £5 more than it should be BUT with both in the same kit chances are the spare parts for each adds some to the price. The good side is that it will give you a wealth of parts for conversions (all those spare venomthrope tentacles would be really neat to decorate a Toxicrene!)

I'm actually pretty impressed that they got both into the same kit yet still retained both units very individual look

Campaign book ordered phew!

6 new Echoes of War missions to test your mettle
• Cities of Death rules for fighting games of Warhammer 40,000 amongst the war torn streets of destroyed cities
• 6 Cities of Death missions and 36 tactical objectives
• Rules for Death From The Skies, allowing you to include fighter aces in your Warhammer 40,000 battles
• New Tyranids detachment rules and Warlord Traits to represent the composition of the forces of Hive Fleet Leviathan
• New Datasheets for the Mucalid Spore Cluster, Zoanthrope Brood, Maleceptor, Toxicrene, Tyrannocyte, Sporocyst and Mucolid Spore


http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Shield-of-Baal-Leviathan-English?_DARGS=/checkout/fragments/orderConfirmation/defaultCartLine.jsp_AF&_dynSessConf=4242303948840596424

So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

 Sir Arun wrote:
So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

so buy it cheaper from eBay or [MOD EDIT - Please don't suggest that. Dakka Dakka in no way condones such things. Thanks! - Alpharius]. You can have mine if you like!

To be honest:

1) Zoanthropes and Venomes were always monopose

2) Who only fields 1 of each? 3 is quite a suitable practical number for both broods in the game. Unless you're only playing small point games chances are you will find a use to put all 3 on the table at once.


That said I do agree that its a bit of shame - GW is fast pricing itself out of the segment where I can happily put models on Christmas and Birthday lists (£20 doesn't go all that far with GW these days sadly). Still I think a single box done this way would have ended up easily being £15 each - so that would be £45 for 3 - so we'd easily save £5 (and that's only a guess at what they'd sell it for individually - it could have ended up costing yet more).

Also, 6 new 'Nid formations.

I'm also loving the new artwork in that Invasion Swarms book:

 Overread wrote:
To be honest:

1) Zoanthropes and Venomes were always monopose

2) Who only fields 1 of each? 3 is quite a suitable practical number for both broods in the game. Unless you're only playing small point games chances are you will find a use to put all 3 on the table at once.


That said I do agree that its a bit of shame - GW is fast pricing itself out of the segment where I can happily put models on Christmas and Birthday lists (£20 doesn't go all that far with GW these days sadly). Still I think a single box done this way would have ended up easily being £15 each - so that would be £45 for 3 - so we'd easily save £5 (and that's only a guess at what they'd sell it for individually - it could have ended up costing yet more).

1) youre right, but given the transition to multi part plastic kit, I was thinking at least some kind of head tilt or slight variation would have been included

2) maybe the kind of players who field 1000 points armies or less and like variety? E.g. a zoanthrope, venomthrope, exocrine, tervigon, flyrant etc.

 Wilson wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

so buy it cheaper from [MOD EDIT - Please don't suggest that. Dakka Dakka in no way condones such things. Thanks! - Alpharius]. You can have mine if you like!

I really wish people wouldn't do this so much. My local flgs isn't doing so good because people buy there stuff cheap off the internet (or even cheaper from China). If my local flgs shuts down, I might as well sell all of my miniatures.

 Lord Scythican wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

so buy it cheaper from eBay or [MOD EDIT - Please don't suggest that. Dakka Dakka in no way condones such things. Thanks! - Alpharius]. You can have mine if you like!

I really wish people wouldn't do this so much. My local flgs isn't doing so good because people buy there stuff cheap off the internet (or even cheaper from China). If my local flgs shuts down, I might as well sell all of my miniatures.

For sure that would suck and I hope that it doesn't happen.

I have my Tyrannocyte/Sporocyst kit, and surprise surprise: the sprues are copyrighted 2013. In other words, GW already had the thing finished when they deliberately left it out of the codex, thus pissing off nid players galore - I personally know of a couple who gave up on nids and sold their models because of that codex. Sure, one unit alone doesn't make or break a codex, but the Tyrannocyte does seem to make nids a _lot_ more playable. (As opposed to e.g. the Toxicrene/Maleceptor which is a great model but apparently no game changer play-wise.)

Venting over.

Without repeating what's obvious from GW's publicity photos of the completed models, the kit itself looks pretty good. It's very much an organic drop pod, down to the same 5-sided construction and similar size and having one of the three sprues repeated. In fact, I wonder if the designers literally reused the drop pod digital geometry, and therefore Tyrannocyte / drop pod panels could be swapped to create some 'infected imperial vessel' conversion coolness - but I don't have a drop pod kit around to compare with.

I strongly recommend green stuff to cover all the joints in the main body (although some are hidden by the carapace armour). A little green stuff detailing will also fix the model's main design annoyance - all five Tyrannocyte sides (including carapace and tentacles) are absolutely identical, i.e. the exact same bits repeated five times, rather than some having unique details. Some players won't care, but I like my organic models to look organic.

Overall, a nice kit which will make a great display model - I'm tempted to show mine either disgorging a passenger unit or swallowing an enemy who got too close.

But if I was a poor gamer, I'd be off to my local art&craft shop to buy some large foam eggs and texture filler and save myself a fortune by scratch building my own

 Wilson wrote:

 Lord Scythican wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
So what I hate about this release is that you cant buy 1 zoanthrope or venomthrope anymore. No. Longer. Possible.

Nope, you gotta have 3 now. And the sad part is all of them are monobuild monopose. So youre literally spending 3x as much to get 3 same looking models instead of one. Great for people who wanted to field a brood, but sucks for players who just wanted one.

I suppose people will soon start selling off surplus on ebay, also allowing others to just buy one, though if you add shipping to that youre still worse off than before.

so buy it cheaper from eBay or [MOD EDIT - Please don't suggest that. Dakka Dakka in no way condones such things. Thanks! - Alpharius]. You can have mine if you like!

I really wish people wouldn't do this so much. My local flgs isn't doing so good because people buy there stuff cheap off the internet (or even cheaper from China). If my local flgs shuts down, I might as well sell all of my miniatures.

For sure that would suck and I hope that it doesn't happen.

Sorry If I sounded like an ass. Just depressed about it. I got a lot of people that go to my shop and they buy online. I got probably 40,000 points worth of minis because I like to support the shop. I can't do it on my own though :(

As for being on topic...I am still buying 4 Nidpods from my flgs. I should be able to get them today!

Clang - the copyright could be immaterial to when the mould was actually made. Chances are they are copyrighting right back to when they sketched out the design for that model itself; which if they started in 2013 would be a decent chunk of time for them to go from design to mould - chances being that for the release they staggered it alongside other projects so that they could release a block all at once.

 Wilson wrote:
Campaign book ordered phew!

6 new Echoes of War missions to test your mettle
• Cities of Death rules for fighting games of Warhammer 40,000 amongst the war torn streets of destroyed cities
• 6 Cities of Death missions and 36 tactical objectives
• Rules for Death From The Skies, allowing you to include fighter aces in your Warhammer 40,000 battles
• New Tyranids detachment rules and Warlord Traits to represent the composition of the forces of Hive Fleet Leviathan
• New Datasheets for the Mucalid Spore Cluster, Zoanthrope Brood, Maleceptor, Toxicrene, Tyrannocyte, Sporocyst and Mucolid Spore

The 6 new formations will certainly be interesting.

Right now I'm leaning toward skipping the slipcase version and waiting for the rulebook only. But then that could be $50 based on Sanctus Reach pricing, and the combo set is $74.25. Although it's 64 pages versus 112. Hmm.

Anyone have any idea when we can expect to see a digital copy pop up on Ibooks?

 Overread wrote:
Clang - the copyright could be immaterial to when the mould was actually made. Chances are they are copyrighting right back to when they sketched out the design for that model itself; which if they started in 2013 would be a decent chunk of time for them to go from design to mould - chances being that for the release they staggered it alongside other projects so that they could release a block all at once.

Possibly. I'd have thought they'd legally have to date the sprue moulds to match when those physical objects were completed, as opposed to some earlier design sketch dates. But with GW, who knows...

 Clang wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Clang - the copyright could be immaterial to when the mould was actually made. Chances are they are copyrighting right back to when they sketched out the design for that model itself; which if they started in 2013 would be a decent chunk of time for them to go from design to mould - chances being that for the release they staggered it alongside other projects so that they could release a block all at once.

Possibly. I'd have thought they'd legally have to date the sprue moulds to match when those physical objects were completed, as opposed to some earlier design sketch dates. But with GW, who knows...

Aye though the copyright could be based on when the design itself was made which might have been long before moulds were cast up (either as a computer 3D design or as a green model sculpted up - depending on which approach the sculpter/gw uses). Technically in the UK copyright starts right from the creation point rather than when something is registered.

 Fishboy wrote:
Anyone have any idea when we can expect to see a digital copy pop up on Ibooks?

It's up for pre-order now, saying December release (sorry, that's on Black Library rather than iBooks).