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 Sinful Hero wrote:
Perhaps Tyranids are a very popular line. Maybe more popular than Space Wolves and Orks?

Didn't GW flat out say once that Nids were the most popular non-SM army?

I have heard that Nids are (or at least were) the most popular xeno army, but don't quote me on that.

During 4th edition there was talk (that probably came from somewhere semi official, probably banter with staff at Games Day) that Tyranids were their best selling xeno line by far - this was probably bolstered by Tyranids being ridiculously powerful in 4th.

That popularity probably hit rock bottom with 5th and 6ths complete lack of meaningful support - in fact, attempts to make them terrible. These new kits are a great step in the right direction, but they need to fix the rules so the army actually has some viable compatitive builds outside of the one it has right now.

Venomthropes - I remember someone worrying about them being monopose. It looks like you can manipulate the tentacles to give some variety.

Those look fething boss.

Here is a sneak peek of one of the Formations - the Hypertoxic Node. Can't make anything out though.

Well gak. I just spent most of the day working on my long WIP Tervigon, and have been pondering buying the Haruspex. Maybe two to get an Exocrine.

I had a hypertoxic node once, went through a lot if ointment.

Venomthropes really do look awesome!

I'm hoping that this is the start of the sort of cycles of new releases for existing books that GW plans to maintain.

Looks like a venomthrope/toxicrene formation judging from the name.

Odds are a second one will be a Tyrannocyte formation, hopefully with a marine-esque drop pod assault rule.

Probably a psychic formation with zoans/neuro and maleceptor. Reroll psychic tests? More power dice?

I'd bet one of the last ones will be a sporocyst/mucoloid/spore mine formation. No idea here....reroll scatter on random movement/deepstrike?

Last 2 will be something out of left field.

 plastictrees wrote:
I had a hypertoxic node once, went through a lot if ointment.

lel

 plastictrees wrote:
Venomthropes really do look awesome!

I'm hoping that this is the start of the sort of cycles of new releases for existing books that GW plans to maintain.

Yeah, I do like the plastic venom/zoanthropes. Like a lot of plastic kits they seem to lack some of the finer detail that the previous metal sculpts had (like the venomthrope for example had little veins snaking up its carapace and spines, and the toxin sacs had more texture I believe) but they're not terrible. I do miss the old zoey's smile, though, much more Alien-esque to me than this new one, although the new "crowns" make them look a lot more like little Alien queens. Not sure what they were thinking with that Egyptian-style chin piece, either, but it's easy to clip off I guess.

But yeah, more model releases that don't coincide with a codex release would be good.

Kind of related, i just noticed this week's White Dwarf is Number 6 on the iBooks store.

These kits do look great. It gives me great hope to see a plastic lictor set, but I wonder how many more weeks of bug love there could be?

 Iechine wrote:
These kits do look great. It gives me great hope to see a plastic lictor set, but I wonder how many more weeks of bug love there could be?

After all this, It'll be hard to accept no more releases. I am holding out for a GMC before christmas. It just has to happen.

 TyCorny wrote:
ugh. why would they make a book like this limited edition when every tyranid player NEEDS to buy it? how can they be so bad at business they literally disallow us to give them our money if we're not the first 1000 or whatever

It builds up artificial hype. So far I say about 80-90% of latest GW releases seem to sell out as soon as pre-orders go. So now people will think, "OMG when Blood Angles or Necrons are released I better pre-order as well or I won't be able to get it." Next time Nids get another wave release for the rest of stuff that is not in plastic, a lot of us will "IMPULSE BUY" thinking if we don't get it now, we won't get it later and therefore maybe buy more as well.

I guess it worked so if there is a Nids/BA Sanctus Reach boxset type, I think I will be getting it now because of the Brood Lord. (Just a guess not a rumour.) So what ever GW is doing it seems to be working. They might not be making millions from only selling 1000 or 2000 copies, but they have achieved the image of everything selling out all the time and are must buys.


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 Redemption wrote:

 Ifurita wrote:
Is that 6 new formations for Tyranids or 6 new formations in the book, including the imperial forces?

6 Tyranid formations, according to the description on the GW website.

Could it really be 5 Tyranid formations? The last one is a formation inside a formation inside the last formation.

Davor wrote:

 TyCorny wrote:
ugh. why would they make a book like this limited edition when every tyranid player NEEDS to buy it? how can they be so bad at business they literally disallow us to give them our money if we're not the first 1000 or whatever

It builds up artificial hype. So far I say about 80-90% of latest GW releases seem to sell out as soon as pre-orders go. So now people will think, "OMG when Blood Angles or Necrons are released I better pre-order as well or I won't be able to get it." Next time Nids get another wave release for the rest of stuff that is not in plastic, a lot of us will "IMPULSE BUY" thinking if we don't get it now, we won't get it later and therefore maybe buy more as well.

I guess it worked so if there is a Nids/BA Sanctus Reach boxset type, I think I will be getting it now because of the Brood Lord. (Just a guess not a rumour.) So what ever GW is doing it seems to be working. They might not be making millions from only selling 1000 or 2000 copies, but they have achieved the image of everything selling out all the time and are must buys.

The flaw to this approach is that there are people like me who just think "err feth it, if GW doesn't want my money they won't get it".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have the same issue. I don't like this "upgrade" to the website. The zoom function is even less useful than before.

I wonder if this new feature, costed another million or 4.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Davor wrote:

 TyCorny wrote:
ugh. why would they make a book like this limited edition when every tyranid player NEEDS to buy it? how can they be so bad at business they literally disallow us to give them our money if we're not the first 1000 or whatever

It builds up artificial hype. So far I say about 80-90% of latest GW releases seem to sell out as soon as pre-orders go. So now people will think, "OMG when Blood Angles or Necrons are released I better pre-order as well or I won't be able to get it." Next time Nids get another wave release for the rest of stuff that is not in plastic, a lot of us will "IMPULSE BUY" thinking if we don't get it now, we won't get it later and therefore maybe buy more as well.

I guess it worked so if there is a Nids/BA Sanctus Reach boxset type, I think I will be getting it now because of the Brood Lord. (Just a guess not a rumour.) So what ever GW is doing it seems to be working. They might not be making millions from only selling 1000 or 2000 copies, but they have achieved the image of everything selling out all the time and are must buys.

The flaw to this approach is that there are people like me who just think "err feth it, if GW doesn't want my money they won't get it".

I agree. I wanted to buy these books. I see sold out, called 2 stores and they don't even know if they can order it. What kind of business practice is this when a store doesn't know if they can order it for their customers.

I just started to come back to GW and 40K because of the new Nid release as a collector and now I remember one of the reasons why I left in the first place. It seems GW doesn't want my money.


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The Division Of Joy wrote:
Both end times books are definitely getting a soft cover release. So would imagine this will too.

Did Sanctus Reach books get the soft cover treatment? If not, I don't think so. End Times is something different. GW wants people to get into Fantasy. GW built up the hype that End Times is a must buy now. So GW tactics are working.

I see one of the books for Sanctus reach is available in iBooks. So I guess this is the only way of getting it now. Through iBooks or Black Lirbrary.

Davor wrote:

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The Division Of Joy wrote:
Both end times books are definitely getting a soft cover release. So would imagine this will too.

Did Sanctus Reach books get the soft cover treatment? If not, I don't think so. End Times is something different. GW wants people to get into Fantasy. GW built up the hype that End Times is a must buy now. So GW tactics are working.

I see one of the books for Sanctus reach is available in iBooks. So I guess this is the only way of getting it now. Through iBooks or Black Lirbrary.

Both of the Sanctus Reach books("Hour of the Wolf" and "The Red Waagh") are still available in hardcover via the GW US website.

My local GW has four copies of each on the shelf to boot, so those books aren't an issue.

 Tyran wrote:
I have heard that Nids are (or at least were) the most popular xeno army, but don't quote me on that.

Just quoted you on that.


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xowainx wrote:Kind of related, i just noticed this week's White Dwarf is Number 6 on the iBooks store.

Not sure what you mean? Mine says issue 42.

Kanluwen wrote:

Davor wrote:

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The Division Of Joy wrote:
Both end times books are definitely getting a soft cover release. So would imagine this will too.

Did Sanctus Reach books get the soft cover treatment? If not, I don't think so. End Times is something different. GW wants people to get into Fantasy. GW built up the hype that End Times is a must buy now. So GW tactics are working.

I see one of the books for Sanctus reach is available in iBooks. So I guess this is the only way of getting it now. Through iBooks or Black Lirbrary.

Both of the Sanctus Reach books("Hour of the Wolf" and "The Red Waagh") are still available in hardcover via the GW US website.

My local GW has four copies of each on the shelf to boot, so those books aren't an issue.

Thank you that is good to know. I would like to get both versions. One for my Tyranid collection of books and the iPad version because it's easier for me to read. Damn getting old, having a hard time reading. Good to know I can buy the books at a later date and not worry about it now.

 -Loki- wrote:


That popularity probably hit rock bottom with 5th and 6ths complete lack of meaningful support - in fact, attempts to make them terrible. These new kits are a great step in the right direction, but they need to fix the rules so the army actually has some viable compatitive builds outside of the one it has right now.

I don't know if you hadn't noticed in the last 2 White Dwarf mags, but the Tyranids have now got STUPIDLY competitive builds.

I'm just going to say that the Pyschic Choir is now back (in a new form) and the Doom of Malanti just got reborn in the process as well....three units of these things running around the board....oh wait, let me correct myself, DROPPING on the board. I think Grey Knights, Tau and Eldar just collectively took a dump in their under armor......

As a looooooong time AND LOYAL bug player (V2-V6) I applaud GW (for once in about 7-8 yrs) for this sudden surprise.

 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:


That popularity probably hit rock bottom with 5th and 6ths complete lack of meaningful support - in fact, attempts to make them terrible. These new kits are a great step in the right direction, but they need to fix the rules so the army actually has some viable compatitive builds outside of the one it has right now.

I don't know if you hadn't noticed in the last 2 White Dwarf mags, but the Tyranids have now got STUPIDLY competitive builds.

I'm just going to say that the Pyschic Choir is now back (in a new form) and the Doom of Malanti just got reborn in the process as well....three units of these things running around the board....oh wait, let me correct myself, DROPPING on the board. I think Grey Knights, Tau and Eldar just collectively took a dump in their under armor......

As a looooooong time AND LOYAL bug player (V2-V6) I applaud GW (for once in about 7-8 yrs) for this sudden surprise.

I think "Stupidly" competitive is a bit premature. Right now at the very least are getting some more options!

I'm hoping the Broodlord is a clampack, and not in the new Shield of Baal set. I really don't want to have to buy a Shield of Baal set for just the Broodord!

Davor wrote:

xowainx wrote:Kind of related, i just noticed this week's White Dwarf is Number 6 on the iBooks store.

Not sure what you mean? Mine says issue 42.

I think they mean it's the number 6 seller on Ibooks.

 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:


That popularity probably hit rock bottom with 5th and 6ths complete lack of meaningful support - in fact, attempts to make them terrible. These new kits are a great step in the right direction, but they need to fix the rules so the army actually has some viable compatitive builds outside of the one it has right now.

I don't know if you hadn't noticed in the last 2 White Dwarf mags, but the Tyranids have now got STUPIDLY competitive builds.

I'm just going to say that the Pyschic Choir is now back (in a new form) and the Doom of Malanti just got reborn in the process as well....three units of these things running around the board....oh wait, let me correct myself, DROPPING on the board. I think Grey Knights, Tau and Eldar just collectively took a dump in their under armor......

As a looooooong time AND LOYAL bug player (V2-V6) I applaud GW (for once in about 7-8 yrs) for this sudden surprise.

The Choir is not really back, and the Doom is not really back either. Zope broods did become really hard to move synapse pegs at 12 3++ wounds and gained some interesting versatility having 4 powers now with the Neuro: Warp Lance, Dominion, Spirit Leech, +1 random.

barnowl wrote:

 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

The Choir is not really back, and the Doom is not really back either. Zope broods did become really hard to move synapse pegs at 12 3++ wounds and gained some interesting versatility having 4 powers now with the Neuro: Warp Lance, Dominion, Spirit Leech, +1 random.

I did say "new form" so I'm not implying the EXACT thing...why does everyone have to be so literal all the time? Jeezuz....just be happy for a change...

After the formation nonsense the Space Wolves got (stealing the initiative on a 3+, TH/SS Terminators getting WS5 BS5 T5 for free), Tyranids better get something decent. Especially because, of all the armies, Tyranids are the ones most suited to the "formation" style of play, with specially-adapted strains of organisms working in synergy.

That said, it better not follow after the previous Tyranid formations, like "Psyblight - buy 20 Maleceptors and they'll get really good".

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
After the formation nonsense the Space Wolves got (stealing the initiative on a 3+, TH/SS Terminators getting WS5 BS5 T5 for free), Tyranids better get something decent. Especially because, of all the armies, Tyranids are the ones most suited to the "formation" style of play, with specially-adapted strains of organisms working in synergy.

That said, it better not follow after the previous Tyranid formations, like "Psyblight - buy 20 Maleceptors and they'll get really good".

I am thinking there will be atleast one Maleceptor/Neurothrope/Zoanthrope Formation, probablly giving some kind of enhanced psychic scream or shadow effect.


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 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

barnowl wrote:

 Third_Age_of_Baggz wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

The Choir is not really back, and the Doom is not really back either. Zope broods did become really hard to move synapse pegs at 12 3++ wounds and gained some interesting versatility having 4 powers now with the Neuro: Warp Lance, Dominion, Spirit Leech, +1 random.

I did say "new form" so I'm not implying the EXACT thing...why does everyone have to be so literal all the time? Jeezuz....just be happy for a change...

And what form do you see? I honestly don't see it having returned at all. The nid powers and the Psychic Phase just don't really do it anymore, and neither of those have changed.

barnowl wrote:

I am thinking there will be atleast one Maleceptor/Neurothrope/Zoanthrope Formation, probablly giving some kind of enhanced psychic scream or shadow effect.

That's something I really hope for. I just don't want a repeat of what we're already seen; formations that are essentially pre-made army lists that require you to own large amounts of models that are terrible outside of that formation. I want formations that are interesting to play with. Finding a useful spot for awful models (Maleceptors or Pyrovores, for example) is good, just not when it's a lot of them. With the already-strong Space Wolves getting formations that provide them with bonuses with no downside whatsoever, I would like something good to come from it for Tyranids. At the same time, I really don't want this to turn into Formationhammer.

EDIT: Someone has probably pointed this out before, but I just noticed something on the Maleceptor's White Dwarf page. The entry for Psychic Overload states "the Psyker", not "the Maleceptor". Is this another possible copy and paste from an in-progress Tyranid Codex?

 Melcavuk wrote:
I believe he meant the brood lord might suggest the return of the old genestealers, not that it was a herald (verb not noun)

Jeez, you're right. I blame my speed reading!

Think we'll not be seeing Nids for a bit, GW have just put up a YouTube vid for End Times III

When are we likely to see rule leaks from the campaign book?

Somewhere in the next few days, most likely.