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 pretre wrote:

 jifel wrote:

So, is there no Objective Secured on this detachment? I like the extra HQ but I have to question whether it's worth it to give up ObSec for an extra Flyrant...

Correct. Just like every other detachment that has been released.

And yes it is worth it.

Disappointed these formations are just more Flyrant spam stuff.

60 Gargoyles in a unit with a Reaper Flyrant could be pretty scary.

I am surprised at all the Flyrant-pushing formations. It's not like we needed any more reason to take them. I was rather hoping we'd get something for Tyrant Guard instead.. that's a very iconic unit that really needs a boost.

rollawaythestone wrote:
Disappointed these formations are just more Flyrant spam stuff.

60 Gargoyles in a unit with a Reaper Flyrant could be pretty scary.

Or a Tyrant with Toxic Miasma. Every model in contact with the Tyrant or any of the Gargoyles suffers a S3 Poisoned 4+ hit when it is used. Note that this is at the Initiative 1 step, so after all Pile In moves, ensuring a large hit total. Die blobs of enemy infantry, die!

Xyptc wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
Disappointed these formations are just more Flyrant spam stuff.

60 Gargoyles in a unit with a Reaper Flyrant could be pretty scary.

Or a Tyrant with Toxic Miasma. Every model in contact with the Tyrant or any of the Gargoyles suffers a S3 Poisoned 4+ hit when it is used. Note that this is at the Initiative 1 step, so after all Pile In moves, ensuring a large hit total. Die blobs of enemy infantry, die!

Pretty sure Toxic Miasma says "base contact with the model" meaning only models in base with the Tyrant take hits.

Says unit, not model. So Xyptc is correct. But it really doesn't matter since the one with the Gargoyles can't take it.

It's in base contact with the unit containing the model using Toxic Miasma.

Edit: You could increase the effect of the Miasma HT by giving him some Tyrant Guards, but that's about it that I can see.

Edit: nvm, misread.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Says unit, not model. So Xyptc is correct. But it really doesn't matter since the one with the Gargoyles can't take it.

Why not? It's a standard Biomorph, available to all Tyrants. You could even throw the Maw-Claws onto the same Tyrant, kill something and give the whole Gargoyle brood Preferred Enemy too.

Meh, color me unimpressed
I like the new warlord traits I guess
no new artifacts?

Xyptc wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Says unit, not model. So Xyptc is correct. But it really doesn't matter since the one with the Gargoyles can't take it.

Why not? It's a standard Biomorph, available to all Tyrants. You could even throw the Maw-Claws onto the same Tyrant, kill something and give the whole Gargoyle brood Preferred Enemy too.

I'm looking at the biomorph wargear list and there are only 4 options:

-Toxin Sacs
-Acid Blood
-Adrenal Glands
-Regeneration

No option for toxic miasma.

If it were available normally, the formation wouldn't have to include the bit about making it available.

Those are really good formations, what the hell is wrong with people, you have a formation that's like 60 points but can keep coming back and it has infiltrate.. and can deep strike from reserve. That's really good for less than 100 points.

 Hulksmash wrote:

Xyptc wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Says unit, not model. So Xyptc is correct. But it really doesn't matter since the one with the Gargoyles can't take it.

Why not? It's a standard Biomorph, available to all Tyrants. You could even throw the Maw-Claws onto the same Tyrant, kill something and give the whole Gargoyle brood Preferred Enemy too.

I'm looking at the biomorph wargear list and there are only 4 options:

-Toxin Sacs
-Acid Blood
-Adrenal Glands
-Regeneration

No option for toxic miasma.

Crikey you're right, my apologies! Talk about slimming down the options we used to have...

Hollismason wrote:
Those are really good formations, what the hell is wrong with people, you have a formation that's like 60 points but can keep coming back and it has infiltrate.. and can deep strike from reserve. That's really good for less than 100 points.

yeah that'll be a good little budget formation but it's nothing really game changing... not like a Tyrannocyte pod assault formation would have. That's would have been top dog.

Which could still be in the next book. If anything that would make more sense, GW wouldn't want to blow their mycetic load in the first chapter.

Jeepers. People talk as if they are owed something they never even knew was coming just a few months ago.

H.B.M.C. wrote:There is one thing in that picture that as a long-time Tyranid player makes me sad: The Carnifexes look so insignificant next to the bigger bugs.

Well, when a company gets new and better tech to make bigger and prettier models, that happens. Plus, there's always been bigger bugs than Carnifexes (in the fluff).

Wilson wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
My only disapointment is the Skyblight reprint. If they'd swapped that for a drop pod formation it would be my favoritist of books

I think the key to my kinda ...."aww man" kinda vibe is the hope for a drop pod formation...

turn 1 pods would have been so exciting.

So then it's the expectations that were off. I mean, no one even knew this was coming a short while ago, and now Tyranids have landed a boatload of new models, new formations, a new detachment, new Warlord Traits, new scenarios and ways to play....

I'm very surprised and a little disappointed that there's not a Tyrannocyte formation. At the same time, I have a never-used melee flyrant that I can now glide up the board with 20 extra wounds, so that's cool.

 brassangel wrote:
Jeepers. People talk as if they are owed something they never even knew was coming just a few months ago.

H.B.M.C. wrote:There is one thing in that picture that as a long-time Tyranid player makes me sad: The Carnifexes look so insignificant next to the bigger bugs.

Well, when a company gets new and better tech to make bigger and prettier models, that happens. Plus, there's always been bigger bugs than Carnifexes (in the fluff).

Wilson wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
My only disapointment is the Skyblight reprint. If they'd swapped that for a drop pod formation it would be my favoritist of books

I think the key to my kinda ...."aww man" kinda vibe is the hope for a drop pod formation...

turn 1 pods would have been so exciting.

So then it's the expectations that were off. I mean, no one even knew this was coming a short while ago, and now Tyranids have landed a boatload of new models, new formations, a new detachment, new Warlord Traits, new scenarios and ways to play....

Well aware of what's come in the last month mate and not complaining about that in the slightest.
I was hopeful for a drop pod formation. That is all.

DO IT TO IT wrote:
I'm very surprised and a little disappointed that there's not a Tyrannocyte formation. At the same time, I have a never-used melee flyrant that I can now glide up the board with 20 extra wounds, so that's cool.

And the whole unit can jink.

DO IT TO IT wrote:
I'm very surprised and a little disappointed that there's not a Tyrannocyte formation. At the same time, I have a never-used melee flyrant that I can now glide up the board with 20 extra wounds, so that's cool.

Why not 60 extra wounds?

 gorgon wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
I'm very surprised and a little disappointed that there's not a Tyrannocyte formation. At the same time, I have a never-used melee flyrant that I can now glide up the board with 20 extra wounds, so that's cool.

And the whole unit can jink.

Only the units with the jink rule benefit from jinking.

Hollismason wrote:
Those are really good formations, what the hell is wrong with people, you have a formation that's like 60 points but can keep coming back and it has infiltrate.. and can deep strike from reserve. That's really good for less than 100 points.

Can they actually Deep Strike from Ongoing Reserves? I was under the impression they'd had to walk...or well, float back on the field from your table edge.

Why wouldn't they be able to, they also all come with infiltrate so they I believe would also be able to outflank

The Outflank rule specifically states it doesn't work from Ongoing Reserves. I'm not sure about Deep Strike though.

 Tyran wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
I'm very surprised and a little disappointed that there's not a Tyrannocyte formation. At the same time, I have a never-used melee flyrant that I can now glide up the board with 20 extra wounds, so that's cool.

And the whole unit can jink.

Only the units with the jink rule benefit from jinking.

Well, you can always put the HT in the front as a jink-tank. Probably only good to do if you're in Vope/Mope range (i.e. first turn or so).

 Asmodas wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
I'm very surprised and a little disappointed that there's not a Tyrannocyte formation. At the same time, I have a never-used melee flyrant that I can now glide up the board with 20 extra wounds, so that's cool.

And the whole unit can jink.

Only the units with the jink rule benefit from jinking.

Well, you can always put the HT in the front as a jink-tank. Probably only good to do if you're in Vope/Mope range (i.e. first turn or so).

Could be a little risky if you fail your Jink (2+ shrouded) or the 2+ LOS you may be taking easy wounds as T3 majority.

I think it's more likely you run out of gargoyles in range to Los to.

Yeah the gargoyles are there to shield the Tyrant, not the other way around. A better question would be which equipment we give to the Tyrant. I guess the Reaper and the Maw-Claws. Maybe even the Ymgarl factor would be useful.

 Tyran wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

DO IT TO IT wrote:
I'm very surprised and a little disappointed that there's not a Tyrannocyte formation. At the same time, I have a never-used melee flyrant that I can now glide up the board with 20 extra wounds, so that's cool.

And the whole unit can jink.

Only the units with the jink rule benefit from jinking.

Oh, got it.