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Now I want a future Warpath KS to include Blaine..........................

 Mezmaron wrote:
What are the approximate point values for the Starter Armies?

(Also, same question for the Mega Starter Armies....)

I hear most games are 1000 points minimum. I'm wondering if the Dwarf Starter army will get me there, and if not, how much more I would need to add (maybe just Blaine?).

At this point, I'm thinking of just pledging $51 for the Dwarf Starter Army, free shipping. I'm guessing you will still be able to download the 2nd Edition rulebook for free?

If not, I may pledge $100 and get the rulebooks, counters, Blaine, and Dwarf Start Army.

Thanks - Mez

Dunno if this helps but based on the downloadable 1st edition rules and what's on their site, they have the following army sets for dwarves:
* 50 GBP, 72 figures, 975 points. Retails individually for 81 GB
* 100 GBP, 117 figures, 1535 points. Retails individually for 144.50 GBP
* 30GBP. 44 figures, 50 points. Retails individually for 53.50 GBP
* 100 GBP, 135 figures, 1500 points. Retails individually for 134 GBP
* 150 GBP, 166 figures, 2000 points. Retails individually for 203 GBP


Points may be off. If they are, they're low because I can't remember if I upgraded every unit of Ironwatch to riflemen or not. I tried to go based on what is pictured in the links.

Kickstarter mega looks to be about 1230 points not counting the Bombard (not showing in downloadable rules) or weapon options. Starter army on Kickstarter is about 475 points before weapon options

NTRabbit wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Phobos wrote:
Only complaint I have about the Dino's hands is that they aren't holding a weapon.

I mean really, who wouldn't arm their Dino-mount?

Yeah, especially as they're already..

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

GrimDork wrote:^
Just about made my day

Personally, I'm so pleased with that post that I can't see me ever topping it ever.

 Baragash wrote:
Now I want a future Warpath KS to include Blaine..........................

Spoiler:

Already pretty much exists:

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Disappointed in the art for the Necromancer. I don't like it. Dwarf looks awesome though.

I can't believe people are still willing to back for Mantic products that are just artwork... some things turn out well, but from what I've seen the art is not a good indication of what will be good or bad (you could say this about other companies too, of course - like Privateer Press. But you don't have to pay in advance for theirs...).

 RiTides wrote:

 RobertsMinis wrote:
Disappointed in the art for the Necromancer. I don't like it. Dwarf looks awesome though.

I can't believe people are still willing to back for Mantic products that are just artwork... some things turn out well, but from what I've seen the art is not a good indication of what will be good or bad (you could say this about other companies too, of course - like Privateer Press. But you don't have to pay in advance for theirs...).

To be fair, you don't have to pay in advance for Mantic's stuff either...

Did you guys never play Roulette? Always bet on black.

Vermonter wrote:
I really like a lot of what Heath Foley has done for Mantic. He has a talent for devising iconic, bold designs that have made the Enforcers far more credible super-soldiers than GW's Space Marines, and made a success of the Forge Fathers rather than the comparatively absurd-looking Squats.

Unlike Liefeld, he also understands restraint and balance in design, rather than amping up every detail ad absurdum to be EXTREME!!!
king silly.

I don't believe that Foley designed the Enforcers or the Forge Fathers. I'm pretty sure it was Roberto Cirillo

I don't necessarily agree with your comment about restraint either. A lot of the concepts that Foley has done are over-designed in my opinion.

Also, Mantic still desperately needs an Art Director.

~Eric

Edit: Fixed quote attribution.

Didn't Foley design the Molochs? The stumpy demons?

 JoshInJapan wrote:

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
The "basileans" can easily be used as an oriental faction. Treat regular troopers as Ashigaru, use samurais for knights, and theme the elohi as kamis instead of angels...

Kingdoms of Men makes a more historically accurate Samurai army.

It's what I am using. Even if you want to throw in a bit of fantasy the ogre option in kom allows you to field oni or another mystical creature.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Did you guys never play Roulette? Always bet on black.

 Taarnak wrote:


I don't believe that Foley designed the Enforcers or the Forge Fathers. I'm pretty sure it was Roberto Cirillo

I don't necessarily agree with your comment about restraint either. A lot of the concepts that Foley has done are over-designed in my opinion.

Also, Mantic still desperately needs an Art Director.

~Eric

Hey, Eric, nice catch. I think you're right about the Enforcers:



Regarding the Forge Fathers, it probably depends on which ones you're talking about, so the fault is mine for not being specific. I'm pretty sure the Dreadball FF and Deadzone FF are Heath's, though, and I like them.

Restraint . . . well, we can have an interminable debate about that one. I'd rather not, though, as I can see your point of view, depending on the example chosen. Still, comparing Heath to Liefeld is going way too far. Compared to Liefeld, everyone has restraint.

But yeah, for me the iconic Blaine image Heath created (for example), even with all the Riddick / Predator / Plo Koon etc. mish-mosh going on, actually works:



It probably shouldn't work - it's a prime candidate for Liefeldization - but it does. And given what many artists would make when trying to draw from all of those hallowed sci-fi references at once, that's impressive.



I won't stand here and defend Heath as faultless, though. He's a proud member of the "I hate legs on large creatures" society, for one. The Grogan sculptor did us all a favor when he threw out Heath's stubbier legs.



One more thing, Taarnak. Your opinions are reasonable; you don't need to use underhanded tactics to debate me, like ascribing my post to someone else entirely, for example, or chopping my sentences up into nonsensical fragments like "king silly."

Hah! I knew there was more than one reason I liked Blaine. I just couldn't place all of the reasons. There they are though, Riddick, Predator, and Plo Koon.

 judgedoug wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Off topic but on the topic of trebuchet..

RAFM has this for $15.95, I don't know what the quality is like...

The RAFM one is smaller. I'll dig up a pic of the Old Glory trebuchet next to minis. It's pretty much accurately scaled.

Here's a shot of my buddy's Old Glory trebuchets for his Kingdoms of Men KOW army.

 Vermonter wrote:

OK I'm confused; who drew this one?

Edit: NM, figured it out. I just ask as that was the B&W of my favourite Enforcer art:



Again, if Mantic ever do an Enforcer comic Heath needs to do the artwork.

 judgedoug wrote:

Here's a shot of my buddy's Old Glory trebuchets for his Kingdoms of Men KOW army.

Wow, those are huge! Appropriate for scale and very impressive. However, I think I'm glad I went with the more manageably sized -if less realistic- D&D trebuchet.

 Vermonter wrote:


One more thing, Taarnak. Your opinions are reasonable; you don't need to use underhanded tactics to debate me, like ascribing my post to someone else entirely, for example, or chopping my sentences up into nonsensical fragments like "king silly."

Sorry. In my defense I am posting from my phone. I deleted the wrong quote header.

Also, in case you were being serious, that's the main reason I chopped down your post too. I only wanted to reply to one part and it's so much easier to avoid scrolling in the reply box on the phone... And I apologize because I did it again. Lol.

Anyway, I agree that the pic of Blaine you posted is an example of Foley doing it right, as far as design goes. If I remember when I get to a desktop, I'll try to dig up some that I don't like for you.

~Eric

 Riquende wrote:
I'd like to see the 'hero' type changed to 'hero (cavalry)' or something like that (whichever unit type is relevant), to put an end to the people who come onto the Mantic rules forum asking why their opponent's mounted hero doesn't get the -1 in combat for charging their spearmen.

Because they're solo heroes.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Riquende wrote:
I'd like to see the 'hero' type changed to 'hero (cavalry)' or something like that (whichever unit type is relevant), to put an end to the people who come onto the Mantic rules forum asking why their opponent's mounted hero doesn't get the -1 in combat for charging their spearmen.

Because they're solo heroes.

Um, yes, I know? I've have had to explain it to a plethora of people over on the Mantic forum over the years.

 .Mikes. wrote:
If anyone didn't listen to the latest ep of Mantic Radio, Ronnie was on there talking a lot about KoW2, and something which jumped out at me was most of the large infantry, like ogres and elohie, will have the option to run them as single figure units away. I like this idea.

They what?

 Azazelx wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:
If anyone didn't listen to the latest ep of Mantic Radio, Ronnie was on there talking a lot about KoW2, and something which jumped out at me was most of the large infantry, like ogres and elohie, will have the option to run them as single figure units away. I like this idea.

They what?

This is the case already with a lot of Large Infantry. I very much like the idea of giving that option to more units, especially the Elohi.

What is the option? The part in blue has me questioning my ability to read English.

I think the query is are they going to have that option, which they already do, or are they going to have that option taken away? The original quote isn't clear.

 NTRabbit wrote:
I think the query is are they going to have that option, which they already do, or are they going to have that option taken away? The original quote isn't clear.

I don't believe the Elohi have that option currently. Not sure about the Ogres.

Ronnie meant to say that the option will be removed for most units (some units like chariots may retain the single model option).

This is because of the ability to spam single models. We either put the points up to stop the spam lists, which unfortunately makes them unattractive as single options, or remove them. We've chosen to remove them, however we're making sure that there's an equivalent Hero option for each of them. If you want to take a single model, like a drakon or werewolf then you can take the hero option instead.

Makes dioramas easier for me then!

 Aesop the God Awful wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
I think the query is are they going to have that option, which they already do, or are they going to have that option taken away? The original quote isn't clear.

I don't believe the Elohi have that option currently. Not sure about the Ogres.

Ogre Warriors and Shooters can under the current rules, units of 1, 3 or 6

Interesting, Daedleh. I hope this means more character models to be released... I wouldn't want my Werewolf "Alpha" to look like my ordinary werewolves.

 Daedleh wrote:
Ronnie meant to say that the option will be removed for most units (some units like chariots may retain the single model option).

This is because of the ability to spam single models. We either put the points up to stop the spam lists, which unfortunately makes them unattractive as single options, or remove them. We've chosen to remove them, however we're making sure that there's an equivalent Hero option for each of them. If you want to take a single model, like a drakon or werewolf then you can take the hero option instead.

Ah man, I liked that gak

Elf Army List (1600 points):
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Single Drakon
Sylvin Kin Troop


I'm not a fan

 Daedleh wrote:
Ronnie meant to say that the option will be removed for most units (some units like chariots may retain the single model option).

This is because of the ability to spam single models. We either put the points up to stop the spam lists, which unfortunately makes them unattractive as single options, or remove them. We've chosen to remove them, however we're making sure that there's an equivalent Hero option for each of them. If you want to take a single model, like a drakon or werewolf then you can take the hero option instead.

Ronnie actually did say that, my typing skills let me down. Ad he also went into why, which Daedle just said. I like the idea, given that KoW is a game of units having lots of what equate to mini monsters running around didn't feel right.