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 JoshInJapan wrote:
Hm. Add-on Wednesday was a little underwhelming.

Wasn't very good during Dungeon Saga either.

Unless you're Team Fortress 2, don't call your necromancer Mortibris. Have some fething class.

You know you have a problem when you looking at these and thinking "I know I have thousands of dice, but a hundred for ten dollars sounds like a good deal"


I have a problem

The faction dice *seem* nice but then don't some/alot of units in KoW roll upwards of 20-30 attacks?

 GrimDork wrote:
The faction dice *seem* nice but then don't some/alot of units in KoW roll upwards of 20-30 attacks?

Yes, especially when flank and rear charges double/triple attacks, which is why that $5 for 50 dice is awesome!

Yeah that does make that into a better deal. I think I've still got a dice cube or two from my 40k days, but for anyone who doesn't already have a bucketful of dice, the plain dice are a good add-on.

Hell, for that price I'm just adding more to my bucket. Might as well!

I don't touch mantic dice with a barge pole. All the ones I've had from them don't roll well at all!

overtyrant wrote:
I don't touch mantic dice with a barge pole. All the ones I've had from them don't roll well at all!

Sounds like you forgot to make a blood sacrifice to your Ronnie Renton idol.

Yeah that dice deal seems legit, I currently own barely any dice due to not actually playing KoW yet, any any large scale games for that matter, so $10-$15 for all the dice
I'll ever need is pretty temping. Those faction dice look nice as well but $10 for 10 could get expensive really quick, although they could be fun as "Special Dice" for your
hero units.

This artworks very interesting

Anyone got any info on this? Its clearly the undead faction and does kinda fit in with the Revenant Cavalry/Soul Reavers weapon set-up, but I'd assume it one of the newly created
units rather than a replacement kit, possibly some sort of foot dark/death knights unit?

 Pacific wrote:

 primalexile wrote:
Random question. Has anyone bought the Perry Miniatures Foot Knights to use instead of the Men at Arms? I see they are actually released but have not heard much about them. I was going to pull the trigger on 40 Swords of Manann but now I am considering the PM Foot Knights.

They're absolutely fantastic miniatures, and compliment the existing metal miniatures in that range very well.

Here is a review of the set I made when they were fist released, hopefully will help you decide! It's about 1/3rd down this page:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/609109.page

Fabulous review! If you don't mind me dragging one of the images from there over here. Dear mantic. This…

...is how you make a proper plastic kit! If the Men at arms had been 75% as good as this and had 50% as many options, they would have become the new standard for plastic fantasy human warriors. As opposed to how it turned out….

 GrimDork wrote:
The faction dice *seem* nice but then don't some/alot of units in KoW roll upwards of 20-30 attacks?

Dwarf Brock Rider regiments have 30 base attacks. So that;s 60 for side charges, 90 for rear.... I own two regiments and, ooh, 12 dice.

Wait... wut? 30 base attacks? I don't even... wow. I am guessing that doesn't work out to be horribly awkward, based on the fact people play the game pretty happily it seems, but I am having trouble imagining how it works.

That's an extreme case though, as befits Dwarf Berserkers riding Dire Badgers.

Its pretty simple really Wehrkind:

1) Declare your attacks
2) Grab King-Sized Bucket o'Dice (tm)
3) Pour ENTIRE contents of King-Sized Bucket o'Dice (tm) over table and floor
4) Watch opponent cry
- 4.a) Be a Smug git or a Nice guy to your opponent (chose smug)
5) Spend the next hour picking up said dice

After that you just rinse and repeat for 6 rounds.

Oh, ok, that isn't a normal thing then... whew, I was going to say

Yeah as Alex said, pissed off dwarves on pissed off badgers have a huge amounts of attacks, but I don't think it gets any more than that. And given their cost you're not goingt o be fielding many of those units in a single game.

However, just having them on the field and casually letting slip to your opponent just how many dice they roll is fun to watch.

There are 2 or 3 infantry hordes that roll 40 basic attacks (to represent two hand weapons), but I'm not aware of anything higher than that currently. Those units also tend t be expensive and have a low defence, so they are prime targets for being shot at (and hard to screen if you have a full horde of them!)

So in summary... it balances out. I think having 20 dice of any particular faction would be enough. When I'm playing KoW and have to roll silly numbers I do it in blocks of 20 anyway, otherwise the dice are likely to start knocking models over, or flying off the table etc.

 Eilif wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 primalexile wrote:
Random question. Has anyone bought the Perry Miniatures Foot Knights to use instead of the Men at Arms? I see they are actually released but have not heard much about them. I was going to pull the trigger on 40 Swords of Manann but now I am considering the PM Foot Knights.

They're absolutely fantastic miniatures, and compliment the existing metal miniatures in that range very well.

Here is a review of the set I made when they were fist released, hopefully will help you decide! It's about 1/3rd down this page:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/609109.page

Fabulous review! If you don't mind me dragging one of the images from there over here. Dear mantic. This…

...is how you make a proper plastic kit! If the Men at arms had been 75% as good as this and had 50% as many options, they would have become the new standard for plastic fantasy human warriors. As opposed to how it turned out….

Why would they become the standard over the men at arms kit which is 33% better with twice the options? Yes they would be fantasy but they would be just as likely to not fit into the aesthetic of a random army as the historics.

 dragqueeninspace wrote:

Why would they become the standard over the men at arms kit which is 33% better with twice the options? Yes they would be fantasy but they would be just as likely to not fit into the aesthetic of a random army as the historics.

Because Perry minis are not fantasy minis. They don't look like fantasy minis for a variety of reasons. They look dinky next to almost any plastic fantasy miniature. Their weapons lack that je ne sais quoi that makes fantasy weapons exciting; plus they are dinky. Their poses are boring; fantasy miniatures should ideally look ready to fight mythical beasts, but Perry minis are better posed for their more historically-accurate battle with dysentery.

Now, I haven't bought any of their most recent kits since the WOTR infantry let me down hard, so it's possible this new kit fixes all of those issues. If so, please let me know.

People impressed by needing to roll 30 dice clearly have a different gaming background.

My wife plays 40k Orks. I think my house is made of dice at this point. :-p

So to current players, I have a quick question about movement bases as a whole...

I am obviously over-thinking this and am trying to buy multiples of every movement base size I could ever need, etc... I won't be multi-basing as I might well want to try WFB down the road.

So in reality, are movement bases much benefit for small units?

Yes, I can imagine needing them to easily shift 10,20,40 guy units... but if I end up playing Ogres, presumably it is easy enough to move the leader model and then everyone else around him (everyone else being 2-5 more guys).

That change alone would give me $50+ back in usable KS funds which I would rather be spending on minis. :-p

Yeah, movement trays aren't as much of a necessity for units of Chariots or Large Infantry. You should be fine without them.

Cavalry tend to only go up to 10 models at the high end as well right? I might even snip those out of my planned spending.

 Alex C wrote:

 JoshInJapan wrote:
Hm. Add-on Wednesday was a little underwhelming.

Wasn't very good during Dungeon Saga either.

The paint set in particular is a bit disappointing. It's a standard, off the shelf set, with a 10% discount off of MSRP. Of course, many online retailers do way better than that.

I guess it's an option, and it can save on shipping, but waiting months to save 10% off of something that's readily available on store shelves isn't my idea of deal.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 dragqueeninspace wrote:

Why would they become the standard over the men at arms kit which is 33% better with twice the options? Yes they would be fantasy but they would be just as likely to not fit into the aesthetic of a random army as the historics.

Because Perry minis are not fantasy minis. They don't look like fantasy minis for a variety of reasons. They look dinky next to almost any plastic fantasy miniature. Their weapons lack that je ne sais quoi that makes fantasy weapons exciting; plus they are dinky. Their poses are boring; fantasy miniatures should ideally look ready to fight mythical beasts, but Perry minis are better posed for their more historically-accurate battle with dysentery.

Now, I haven't bought any of their most recent kits since the WOTR infantry let me down hard, so it's possible this new kit fixes all of those issues. If so, please let me know.

I agree that they would become the standard non-GW option based on being fantasy and radically more affordable than GW, and they were scaled to Mantic rather than perry, they would fit in better with a wider variety of fantasy minis.

That said, I disagree about the necessity of dramatic poses for rank-and-file fantasy minis. For heroes, I like something flamboyant, but for rank and file I actually prefer more subdued poses for both the look and the ease of ranking.

Asside from pose and size, I'd be curious what you didn't like about the WorR infantry. I don't own them, but they seem nice in all the reviews I've seen.

Would those KoW trays be useful for WHFB too do we think?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Would those KoW trays be useful for WHFB too do we think?

If they're the right size for your unit, why not?

The last time I played WFB, you could actually change your regiment formation during the game (no idea if you can still do this as it was in the 90s), so I used to just blue tac my minis to a piece of card - so I could remove casualties or reform them easily. I still do if I am playing a game with unpainted models (not that I play very often).

What I have started doing recently is hot gluing my painted models (on their 20x20 base) to movement trays. They should be relatively easy to take off if I decided to play different games or something changes in KOWs (or I want to add them to a horde or something).

 Wehrkind wrote:
Wait... wut? 30 base attacks? I don't even... wow. I am guessing that doesn't work out to be horribly awkward, based on the fact people play the game pretty happily it seems, but I am having trouble imagining how it works.

Oh, KoW is a buckets o' dice game. But that's one of the reasons I like it, because you can count on the law of averages a lot (I hit on 4+, I wound on 4+, I SHOULD get 5 wounds out of 20 dice)...
It tends to average out most of the Warhammer8 style "This Vortex Murders Your Whole Unit on a 2+"


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
but Perry minis are better posed for their more historically-accurate battle with dysentery.

Baaahaaahaa exalted

So I thought I would share something for fence-sitters and those considering the game.

Last night, by fluke, I had a chance to watch players playing WFB and KoW side-by-side at the shop. While I was there to play 40k, I quickly found myself instead watching the two games and marvelling at how much KoW managed to win me over (personal tastes and all).

What really struck me was that KoW was a game where I felt the nuance and depth was really happening in the movement phase (orders). Between the quick turns and movement really bearing the weight of a players complex decisions, I felt like the game really depicted what I would expect this scale of battle to look like. Considering both games were played at 2000pts of their respective points-systems, KoW also had a great table presence with what, at a glance, appeared to be twice the model count on the table.

WFB seemed to just drag down with players frequently arguing about minutia in terms of which models could and couldn't contribute to combat, etc... and movement seemed secondary to a surprisingly long "magic" phase. The Elf player also seemed to do the VAST majority of his work during the magic phase, and seemed markedly disinterested in worrying about positioning, etc.

I will say, on the aesthetics front, WFB had some incredible high-fantasy "big models" though, which certainly had an amazing presence and really made me want KoW to be spiked with more giant monsters down the road.

In any case, I left appreciating WFB, but wanting to genuinely play KoW. I feel like the hobbyist in me could love collecting/painting a WFB army, but the obscenely quick, elegant, tactical play of KoW just really impresses. If you haven't seen it played, try to, because while we've all heard the "quick to learn/fast playing" line from other game companies, it is almost shocking how lean, but not shallow KoW ends up being.