Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)

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**Fenriswulf**

Just to check before I do so - If I switch my pledge out from the $50 Living Legend to the $1 pledge, and then later in the pledge manager add the extra $49 to get the Living Legend pledge, do I then also get the free bonus' or do I miss out on them?

**squall018**

Fenriswulf wrote:
Just to check before I do so - If I switch my pledge out from the $50 Living Legend to the $1 pledge, and then later in the pledge manager add the extra $49 to get the Living Legend pledge, do I then also get the free bonus' or do I miss out on them?

As long as you upgrade to the "pledge level" and not just buy things piecemeal in the pledge manager, you will get the bonus stuff.

**scarletsquig**

judgedoug wrote:
The implication is that they are not going to make any more restic/pvc models. When was the last one that was made/released? Everything recently has been hard plastic, metal, or Mars Attacks boardgame plastic.

Deadzone Asterians/ Forgefathers. It is possible they might be sticking with the material for Deadzone if nothing else, although even with that the new models released during the survey were all metal.

I will not be sad to see it go.

**adamsouza**

The Fires of the Abyss Rise Once More!

We hope everyone had their fill of Thanksgiving Dinner if you celebrated the festivities yesterday, and everyone has had their fill of the Army Boosters we posted up.

No? Then go check them out on the home page

In this update, we unleash a new pledge level, a new stretch goal, more goodies and give you a little hint of what’s to come over the weekend.

Let’s do this!

UNLOCKED! Ogre Berserker Braves

The Ogre Berserker Braves are locked in and funded! As a neutral aligned Large Infantry unit, these brutes will fight for any army, Good, Evil or Neutral.

The Ogre Berserker Braves have been added to the Ogre Mega-Starter Army ($100), which you can add on to your pledge or choose as part of a God of War pledge.

NEW! BONUS $250,000 - Abyssal Molochs

Molochs are solitary creatures of a similar stature and strength to an Ogre. Operating in small packs, these creatures are the heavy hitters of the Abyssal hordes, finding themselves directed to where the fighting is fiercest. As likely to turn on one another as to fight the enemy, they are nevertheless useful as a distraction to an opposing army if nothing else.

If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce a set of metal Molochs will alternative weapons. These can be fielded by any Evil or Neutral aligned army, and are different sculpts from the one in Dungeon Saga.

You can add on the Abyssal Molochs for $15 to your pledge. We will include a set of 3 Abyssal Molochs in the Forces of the Abyss Mega-Starter Army ($100).

You can include this Mega-Starter Army in a pledge of God of War ($150) and Early Bird) or add one on to your existing pledges.

NEW! Goblin Warmachines

Yesterday we funded the War Drum for the Orcs, today we’ve also got a little special something for our Goblin cousins…

Goblin Sharpstick Thrower

Whether the Goblins saw Elven bolt throwers and decided to try and copy them, or whether they just got the idea on their own of a large contraption to fling spears at the enemy is not really clear. Crudely built as the Sharpstick Thrower appears, there is no denying its effectiveness, the mechanism propelling the spear at such velocity that a lucky hit will pierce even the thickest armour.

Goblin Rock Lobber

Like the Sharpstick thrower, it is not clear whether this contraption was an attempt to copy other, more elegant designs or just an idea that the Goblins hit upon. Looking like nothing so much as a giant, slightly wobby catapult, this war engine lobs large misshapen rocks at the enemy from far behind the lines. This alone explains the enthusiasm of those Goblins lucky enough to crew one, and the fights that break out amongst them for the honour in the first place.

Above we have got the Goblin Sharpstick Thrower and Goblin Rock Lobber. The kit includes one chassis and crew plus weapon options to build either a Sharpstick Thrower or Rock Lobber.

No stretch goal required! You can now add on the Goblin Warmachine to your pledge for $15.

We will also include two Goblins Warmachines in the Goblin Mega-Starter Army – This way you can build either 2 Sharpstick Throwers, 2 Rock Lobbers, or one of each.

NEW! Basius by Wargames Bakery

Our friends over at Wargames Bakery have created Basius, a fantastic double sided pad for creating your own textured bases for your miniatures!

Want to know more about Basius before adding it on to your pledge?

Click here to find out more about the Kings of War Pad and all it's details. For How-To guides and more from Wargames Bakery, you can go to their website here.

New Pledge Level

The new limited Ultimate Tyrant pledge is live - perfect if you want all the armies or have friends or local club players who want to get into Kings of War together. For $850 you get:

- a God of War pledge ($150), including any 2 Starter Armies or 1 Mega-Starter Army

- Any 8 Mega-Starter Armies ($800)

That’s one $100 Mega-Starter Army totally free!

If we end up doing a new Mega-Starter Army (Force of Nature?), then we’ll include that one free as well.

These are only available in highly limited numbers, so grab them before they’re gone.

And finally…

Reckon we should tackle this next? In Hard Plastic?

Let us know in the comments XD

**RobertsMinis**

There could be other reasons for no restic - factory booked out, low demand for fantasy models etc. Some models are great in restic, like the Plague Stage 1, Iron Ancestors etc.

And lots more goodies added!

**Rolt**

*Wow, sniped and edited*

so guys and gals this is next in hard plastic!

Hope everyones ready for maximum highlording

**BobtheInquisitor**

Thanks, Goblins. Now I have that song stuck in my head... Rock Lobster!

Plastic dragonment could put Mantic back on the map, though.

**RobertsMinis**

I like the Dragon people. Though I don't want to paint lots of flames!

**adamsouza**

What Faction do Dragonmen belong to ?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Rolt wrote:

*Wow, sniped and edited*

so guys and gals this is next in hard plastic!

Hope everyones ready for maximum highlording

We need Alpharius and his Highlord meme stat...

**GrimDork**

Salamanders, a block infantry for the nature.

Pretty neat.

If they ever get all of the nature profiles set up with proper models, it'll be a really neat range.

**Gallahad**

Why can't anything Mantic makes just have regular leg proportions? I doubt that Mantic would lose customers by making realistic looking demons in hard plastic, but they definitely loose customers by going with the "I am designed so 3 year olds can make me stand up" proportions. I know that there are people that don't mind the cartoony WOW look, but are those same people turned off by models that look more realistic? Are there people out there looking for a cartoony mass fantasy battle game? Many of these models wouldn't look much out of place in a game of Super Dungeon Explore.

**DaveC**

Hmmm $15 for 3 metal Molochs or $25 for a DS Infernal crypts? they've already confirmed Hellhounds won't be done in the KoW KS I think I'd get more bang for my buck with a second Infernal crypts set (even if the Molochs are monopose but there is always hot water)

**Theophony**

High lord needs a towel....and a shower after seeing that

.

My wife really won't mind waiting another year for a new roof, windows and doors...will she?

**cygnnus**

Gallahad wrote:

...I doubt that Mantic would lose customers by making realistic looking demons in hard plastic...

Gotta admit, I'm curious what "realistic looking" means when talking about a creature of the imagination... I can only take "realistic" in this context to mean, "what I want it to look like...".

Valete,

JohnS

**Bolognesus**

Gallahad wrote:
Why can't anything Mantic makes just have regular leg proportions? I doubt that Mantic would lose customers by making realistic looking demons in hard plastic, but they definitely loose customers by going with the "I am designed so 3 year olds can make me stand up" proportions. I know that there are people that don't mind the cartoony WOW look, but are those same people turned off by models that look more realistic? Are there people out there looking for a cartoony mass fantasy battle game? Many of these models wouldn't look much out of place in a game of Super Dungeon Explore.

Take a look at leg/torso ratios on crocodiles; for once, these proportions actually look quite right to me...

**adamsouza**

I know the Abyssal Army is undergoing a rewrite, but I really hope they do something with the Moloch stat line

Molochs Large Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
Troop (3) 5 4+ – 4+ 12 12/14 120
Regiment (6) 5 4+ – 4+ 24 15/17 200
Special: Crushing Strength (1)

Lower Abyssals Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
Troop (10) 5 4+ – 4+ 20 11/13 115
Regiment (20) 5 4+ – 4+ 20 14/16 150
Horde (40) 5 4+ – 4+ 40 21/23 285

The only reason to take them over the Lower Abyssals is to get crushing Strength(1), for 5 points more, with 8 less attacks.

Ogre Beserker Braves are comperable, but for 20 points more you get 3 more attacks and Headstrong

Ogre Berserker Braves Large Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
Troop (3) 6 4+ – 4+ 15 12/14 140
Regiment (6) 6 4+ – 4+ 30 15/17 225
Special: Headstrong, Crushing Strength (1)

Ogre Warriors Large Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
(1) 6 3+ – 5+ 3 10/12 45
Troop (3) 6 3+ – 5+ 9 12/14 115
Regiment (6) 6 3+ – 5+ 18 15/17 190
Special: Crushing Strength (1)
Options
• Exchange shields with two-handed weapons for free
(lower Defence to 4+, but gain Crushing Strength (2))

Ogre Warriors have 3 fewer attacks but 1 better Me and De for 5 points less
They can even trade that extra point of De for a second level of Crushing Strength

**Alpharius**

adamsouza wrote:What Faction do Dragonmen belong to ?

Why...the Highlord Faction, of course!

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Rolt wrote:

We need Alpharius and his Highlord meme stat...

Indeed!

Hard Plastic is the only way forward!!!

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

The gobin war machines are pretty good value too as I'm sure anybody with a little modelling skill will be able to build both from the bits

I wonder how many crew it will come with?

**Compel**

Ever get the feeling a meme has just flown completely over your head?

**adamsouza**

Compel wrote:
Ever get the feeling a meme has just flown completely over your head?

Yeah, the Highlord thing made me feel like Drax

**Alpharius**

There's a certain user here that goes particularity bonkers over anything lizard and/or dragon man related.

That same user may or may not have a brother who has a similar reaction towards non-goat beastmen. Gnolls maybe.

Maybe.

**RobertsMinis**

Compel wrote:
Ever get the feeling a meme has just flown completely over your head?

I'm more disappointed when I get an internet meme!

**GrimDork**

Supposedly they are rebuilding the abyssal list from the ground up. And rebalancing all everything.

**Rolt**

But Alp everyone loves Gnolls, and Kobolds. Everyone.

Now Mantic just need to make some hard plastic gnolls...

**Baragash**

GrimDork wrote:
Supposedly they are rebuilding the abyssal list from the ground up. And rebalancing all everything.

Nothing "supposed" about it, the alpha draft(s) were done before KoW2 started

**adamsouza**

Baragash wrote:
GrimDork wrote:
Supposedly they are rebuilding the abyssal list from the ground up. And rebalancing all everything.

Nothing "supposed" about it, the alpha draft(s) were done before KoW2 started

Please make Molochs not suck

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I've checked with Mantic and the goblin war machine should come with 3 crew

(which should make getting 2 war machines out of one kit even easier(

**BobtheInquisitor**

cygnnus wrote:
Gallahad wrote:

...I doubt that Mantic would lose customers by making realistic looking demons in hard plastic...

Gotta admit, I'm curious what "realistic looking" means when talking about a creature of the imagination... I can only take "realistic" in this context to mean, "what I want it to look like...".

Valete,

JohnS

Good job imitating a troll! I almost bought it!
No semi-normal person could possibly have missed his precise meaning by somehow ignoring all context whatsoever.

You do understand that we have a good idea of how limbs work, both on humans and animals, and that these demons tend to have a mix of human and animal features, so I'm glad I don't have to explain it in even simpler terms.

The old argument that anything that isn't 100% real life should thus be acceptable in any proportions or warpage "just because it isn't real" is pretty funny in this millennium.

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Bolognesus wrote:

Take a look at leg/torso ratios on crocodiles; for once, these proportions actually look quite right to me...

Crocodiles are quadrupeds who spend a lot of time in water. Are these Salamanders semi-aquatic? They have digitigrade legs, which seems at odds with that. And what about the upper arms? I suppose they could be brachiators, but I doubt that's what most people think of when they think of dragons.

**cygnnus**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
cygnnus wrote:
Gallahad wrote:

...I doubt that Mantic would lose customers by making realistic looking demons in hard plastic...

Gotta admit, I'm curious what "realistic looking" means when talking about a creature of the imagination... I can only take "realistic" in this context to mean, "what I want it to look like...".

Valete,

JohnS

Good job imitating a simpleton troll! I almost bought it!
No semi-normal person could possibly have missed his precise meaning by somehow ignoring all context whatsoever.

You do understand that we have a good idea of how limbs work, both on humans and animals, and that these demons tend to have a mix of human and animal features, so I'm glad I don't have to explain it in even simpler terms.

The old argument that anything that isn't 100% real life should thus be acceptable in any proportions or warpage "just because it isn't real" is pretty funny in this millennium.

I love it! Making an observation that what is a "realistic" depiction of a Demon ultimately comes down to personal preferences, and now I'm a simpleton troll (sorry, lest I ignore all context whatsoever I should hasten to add than i'm, apparently, just "imitating" one) and not a "semi-normal person". Huh... Such hostility and need to be "right". To each their own, I suppose...

Valete,

JohnS