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Zond wrote:
Starter set looks like a great deal. The higher level pledges were better value for money last kickstarter, however I guess a lot of the details weren't finalised. Torn between 290 and extras, or going nuts.

Some annoying maths involved in the higher pledge levels this time around.

Say $100 for the main box set, that contains 34 minis. The Elite $290 pledge only seems to contain another 34 minis. So it seems on a cursory glance that the higher level pledges don't really save much, if anything, on buying the basic game and then the add ons separately. I'd have to do a bunch of math to double check that which I'm hoping someone else does while I think about it

I suppose, after telling people to buy the box set, I should point out that it seems tha once again they are using their 75mm minis for advertising without mentioning it which remains a dodgy marketing tactic imo.

Be sure to take into account the shipping charges - they're rather substantial:

I think this campaign could really do with a customisable starter set. Even if you don't get fancy packaging, allowing people to choose 2 factions worth of 10 to 15 figures with the officers and heroes might go down well. Especially if someone could double down on the faction they want the most. I understand if that's not feasible logistically however.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm in!

Someone needs to break those pledge levels down quickly to see if that $290 pledge is 'worth it' or if it is better off to go in at a lower one and throw in the addons?

Something like this (still not done)?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L_gZIFvFHzo5ds9qx5CW4WM43KwHI8zIsSQTUdTKVnc/edit?usp=sharing

Maybe throw shipping charges in those calcs since its different per pledge.

 Dark Severance wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm in!

Someone needs to break those pledge levels down quickly to see if that $290 pledge is 'worth it' or if it is better off to go in at a lower one and throw in the addons?

Something like this (still not done)?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L_gZIFvFHzo5ds9qx5CW4WM43KwHI8zIsSQTUdTKVnc/edit?usp=sharing

Are those high level pledges taking into account the minis in the game starter box?

 Malkaven wrote:
Maybe throw shipping charges in those calcs since its different per pledge.

I'll throw in shipping once I get it completed. Do you want a break down of costs per miniature with shipping or just keep shipping separate?

 Alpharius wrote:
Are those high level pledges taking into account the minis in the game starter box?

The higher level pledges are including the miniatures in the main box. That is why Faction even though a higher amount was placed above the Core Box pledge... so moving forward I just include the totals from that range (if that makes sense).

Looks like I'm a little late to the party, as all the EBs are gone. But I just pledged as well.

 squall018 wrote:
Looks like I'm a little late to the party, as all the EBs are gone. But I just pledged as well.

$105 is still a crazy bargain for 33 large scale multipart resin minis.

Are you more interested in breakdown of individual miniature cost without scenery?

I'm including total price and savings based on if you just bought them straight out as add-ons. Since I know the scenery cost, I can subtract that from the pledge level to get an accurate cost per mini without scenery in the pledge or do you want a cost per mini including scenery?

September 2015? No thank you sir.

 NAVARRO wrote:
September 2015? No thank you sir.

To be fair, i this funds to the same amount as they cancelled on last time, they'll have to hand cast like 30-40 thousand 40mm multipart resin minis. That's going to take some time

Can anyone see which part of the KS is being made in China btw? Theres a China warning at the end but minis are in-house, is it the card scenery or something?

I'd bet it is the cards, tokens, boxes, packaging, etc.

And yeah, they'll be casting a LOT of resin minis in house already, never mind if/when they get back up to $80 - $100K!

Curious to know if they got a jump tart on casting some of the minis already? Basic troops they know will be part of the box set.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Curious to know if they got a jump tart on casting some of the minis already? Basic troops they know will be part of the box set.

I doubt it, if they are keeping to these new size they will have to have resculpted, reprinted and remoulded all of those painted minis you see on the KS page, those are the old larger ones.

They haven't even got a painted version of the newly shrunk Tarko Stahlen from the comparison shot as they are using the 40mm one in the advertising.

They haven't even sculpted most of the minis etc, most of them are drawings, there's a few renders and there are 'still' some bloody 75mm minis.

(You 'cannot' just print out larger scale minis smaller and have them look the same no matter how many ill-informed people say so)


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 Alpharius wrote:
I'd bet it is the cards, tokens, boxes, packaging, etc.

Just confirmed in the comments. Odd area to save money, printed cardboard, when you have tens of thousands of minis to produce

The price point is not within my appetite. Plus, that's a really long fulfilment date.

I think I will pass.

 Artemis Black wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Curious to know if they got a jump tart on casting some of the minis already? Basic troops they know will be part of the box set.

I doubt it, if they are keeping to these new size they will have to have resculpted, reprinted and remoulded all of those painted minis you see on the KS page, those are the old larger ones.

They haven't even got a painted version of the newly shrunk Tarko Stahlen from the comparison shot as they are using the 40mm one in the advertising.

They haven't even sculpted most of the minis etc, most of them are drawings, there's a few renders and there are 'still' some bloody 75mm minis.

(You 'cannot' just print out larger scale minis smaller and have them look the same no matter how many ill-informed people say so)


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 Alpharius wrote:
I'd bet it is the cards, tokens, boxes, packaging, etc.

Just confirmed in the comments. Odd area to save money, printed cardboard, when you have tens of thousands of minis to produce

They are re-scaled? are there any photos for confirmation. I didn't notice.

 Piston Honda wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Curious to know if they got a jump tart on casting some of the minis already? Basic troops they know will be part of the box set.

I doubt it, if they are keeping to these new size they will have to have resculpted, reprinted and remoulded all of those painted minis you see on the KS page, those are the old larger ones.

They haven't even got a painted version of the newly shrunk Tarko Stahlen from the comparison shot as they are using the 40mm one in the advertising.

They haven't even sculpted most of the minis etc, most of them are drawings, there's a few renders and there are 'still' some bloody 75mm minis.

(You 'cannot' just print out larger scale minis smaller and have them look the same no matter how many ill-informed people say so)


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 Alpharius wrote:
I'd bet it is the cards, tokens, boxes, packaging, etc.

Just confirmed in the comments. Odd area to save money, printed cardboard, when you have tens of thousands of minis to produce

They are re-scaled? are there any photos for confirmation. I didn't notice.

2nd post of this thread.

It has already funded! I'm still just in for $1 as I'd like to watch this progress, but I am glad they've been able to effectively relaunch this.

 RiTides wrote:
It has already funded! I'm still just in for $1 as I'd like to watch this progress, but I am glad they've been able to effectively relaunch this.

I believe the first KS made well over $50k in he first day so as they've reducde the goal to less than a third of the previous one it would have been a 'huge' shock if they hadnt funded pretty easily.

First one did £33,261 on the first day according Kicktraq http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/986826251/150693066/#chart-daily

But I do remember being a much slower rise on the first day. This time more people were prepared since it was advertised some time in advance

 Bacms wrote:
First one did £33,261 on the first day according Kicktraq http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/986826251/150693066/#chart-daily

But I do remember being a much slower rise on the first day. This time more people were prepared since it was advertised some time in advance

I don't believe Kicktraq works on a 'start at 0hr and go for 24hr' basis. I think it goes by calendar days. So a big chunk of the 'day 2' would have been in the first 24 hrs too.

I do not understand the whole UK company, miniatures produced in Spain, components in China and the KS page says it is based in Round Rock Texas? Where are they from?

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I do not understand the whole UK company, miniatures produced in Spain, components in China and the KS page says it is based in Round Rock Texas? Where are they from?

They are Spanish. They opened a shell company in the UK (Just some paperwork and a PO box) to use the UK version of Kickstarter the last time around and this time around have opened a shell company in the US (presumably Texas) to use the US version of Kickstarter. Dollar kickstarters tends to do better, I guess Americans don't like to do math

So they plan to produce miniatures in house i.e. in Spain with some component of the game outsourced to China.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I do not understand the whole UK company, miniatures produced in Spain, components in China and the KS page says it is based in Round Rock Texas? Where are they from?

They are Spanish company but in order to do a $US Kickstarter they had to open a warehouse/branch in the US. They will also stated all their resin production is in house in Spain but cards/tokens/rulebook etc is being produced in China as 90% of all the KS do, as it is a lot cheaper.

@ArtemisBlack you might be right guess we will know for sure in a few hours. Nonetheless it is excellent news to everyone that we got the funding goal done and are now chasing stretch goals as they should keep the steam going hence more minis for everyone

Cheers AB, the miniature aesthetic and painting looked European so just nice to have it confirmed. I am liking what I am seeing thus far. I just fear that the resin miniatures will see miniature numbers be smaller than what most feel they are entitled to for the pledge level in a Kickstarter. It almost feels like a small(ish) pledge total will aid Scale Games in the long run as it would help them get the game out in a timely manner as a result of a smaller workload.

I honestly hate Scale Games fans. It's like they're hardwired to jump on any criticism. Criticism that if addressed would improve the kickstarter. It makes me want to unpledge less than 4 hours into a campaign.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Cheers AB, the miniature aesthetic and painting looked European so just nice to have it confirmed. I am liking what I am seeing thus far. I just fear that the resin miniatures will see miniature numbers be smaller than what most feel they are entitled to for the pledge level in a Kickstarter. It almost feels like a small(ish) pledge total will aid Scale Games in the long run as it would help them get the game out in a timely manner as a result of a smaller workload.

It's hard to say this without opening myself up for another drive-by from the crazies but i can assure you it's true. If someone offered me this Kickstarter for free right now I would refuse it point blank. Fulfilling this kickstarter is going to be an absolute nightmare. Tens of thousands of hand cast 40mm multip part resin miniatures is a 'huge' undertaking and after KS and Amazon take their cut they are down to less than £1.50 a mini for the ones in the box set.

I handle resin production for a living and I wouldn't touch that with someone else's. The very best of luck to them.

On the other side of that argument I've pledged cos, insanely cheap minis


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Zond wrote:
I honestly hate Scale Games fans. It's like they're hardwired to jump on any criticism. Criticism that if addressed would improve the kickstarter. It makes me want to unpledge less than 4 hours into a campaign.

Don't let them get to you, I've no idea why this KS seems to have attracted such an over the top crowd but don't let it stop ya buying minis if ya want them.

The art looks amazing, if the final production resin minis look that good, this will be a huge hit. The art/design reminds me of Corvis Belli's Infinity..with slightly less anime influence...more like a European styled Marvel Comics. I actually like the look of all four factions, but I kickstarted Zombicide 3 and Super Dungeon Explore! this year already...and am currently trying to figure out how to pre-order the new Shield of Baal book set from GW without my wife immediately divorcing my @$$.

Unfortunately, this will have to sit in my peripheral for now...I really do hope this kickstarter and this game are successful, maybe I can get it when it finally hits retail shelves...

 Alpharius wrote:
Someone needs to break those pledge levels down quickly to see if that $290 pledge is 'worth it' or if it is better off to go in at a lower one and throw in the addons?

Ok I think it is fairly accurate not. At least I've double checked it the best I can. If anyone see's any errors let me know. As the KS progresses, providing they add additional items then I will update the spreadsheet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L_gZIFvFHzo5ds9qx5CW4WM43KwHI8zIsSQTUdTKVnc/edit#gid=0