Moriarty as a Bond Villain????

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**Ensis Ferrae**

From an article I first saw on the ol' Book of Faces:

http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/sherlock-star-andrew-scott-to-play-new-bond-villain

For the work blocked:

An insider apparently told The Mirror: “Andrew was hand-picked for a role in the new Bond movie after film bosses loved his star turn in Sherlock. Casting directors thought he was perfect to play a baddie and they wanted to use his existing Sherlock profile – and amp it up to the next level.

They added: “Andrew is hoping the move will see him leap from TV to the big screen, where he can eventually divide his time between London and LA. He knows this is his big break.”

The cast and title of the new Bond film will be unveiled live on Thursday morning.

Principal photography on Bond 24 begins on Monday 8 December, with Daniel Craig playing 007 for a fourth time.

Sam Mendes will return to direct the movie, which will be released in UK cinemas on 23 October 2015.

Thoughts??

**Paradigm**

Well, he's a great actor, very talented, and we ask know he can do crazy/evil brilliantly. So long as his character isn't just Moriarty+1 then this should be cracking, and more Bond is always good. He's got a way to go to beat Javier Bardem in Skyfall, though...

I'm also looking forward to seeing him opposite Cumberbatch's Richard III in the upcoming BBC adaptation.

**Yodhrin**

Blegh, not fussed. Honestly the BBC Sherlock doesn't grab me at all; Jared Harris' Moriarty from the Game of Shadows movie was far better than this bloke IMO(in fact, call me when Harris is doing a Bond villain and I'll be right on board), and I prefer Jonny Lee Miller's Sherlock in Elementary over Cumberbatch's "which mental illness will I claim to have this series?" take on the role.

**Pendix**

An insider apparently told The Mirror: “Andrew was hand-picked for a role in the new Bond movie after film bosses loved his star turn in Sherlock. Casting directors thought he was perfect to play a baddie and they wanted to use his existing Sherlock profile – and amp it up to the next level.

That bit at the end there always worrys me. I cant help but imagine it going: "That thing some creative people did is really good, and we like it, but, as guys in suits who are good at counting beans, we totally know how to make it miles better, you just gota take it to the next level."

*shudder*

**Easy E**

Bond you say? I'm interested.

**Ahtman**

Paradigm wrote:
Well, he's a great actor, very talented, and we all know he can do crazy/evil brilliantly. So long as his character isn't just Moriarty+1 then this should be cracking, and more Bond is always good. He's got a way to go to beat Javier Bardem in Skyfall, though...

This pretty much sums it up.

**Jimsolo**

Craig is still on contract as Bond? I'm in. I'm no fan of Sherlock, but I'll give it a try.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Ahtman wrote:
Paradigm wrote:
Well, he's a great actor, very talented, and we all know he can do crazy/evil brilliantly. So long as his character isn't just Moriarty+1 then this should be cracking, and more Bond is always good. He's got a way to go to beat Javier Bardem in Skyfall, though...

This pretty much sums it up.

I also agree.... however I'm obviously very leery of the prospects of "Moriarty +1"

Yes, we know he does his brand of Moriarty quite well.... But, I think that, depending on his character, that won't really work well in this current iteration of Bond.

**Surtur**

Yodhrin wrote:
Blegh, not fussed. Honestly the BBC Sherlock doesn't grab me at all; Jared Harris' Moriarty from the Game of Shadows movie was far better than this bloke IMO(in fact, call me when Harris is doing a Bond villain and I'll be right on board), and I prefer Jonny Lee Miller's Sherlock in Elementary over Cumberbatch's "which mental illness will I claim to have this series?" take on the role.

Not gonna lie, I was hoping this would be the RDJ Sherlocke's Moriarty too. He would be an amazing villain, perhaps Blofeld or Goldfinger.

**Paradigm**

Surtur wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Blegh, not fussed. Honestly the BBC Sherlock doesn't grab me at all; Jared Harris' Moriarty from the Game of Shadows movie was far better than this bloke IMO(in fact, call me when Harris is doing a Bond villain and I'll be right on board), and I prefer Jonny Lee Miller's Sherlock in Elementary over Cumberbatch's "which mental illness will I claim to have this series?" take on the role.

Not gonna lie, I was hoping this would be the RDJ Sherlocke's Moriarty too. He would be an amazing villain, perhaps Blofeld or Goldfinger.

Have to say, it took me a while to 'get' the Jared Harris Moriarty in A Game of Shadows. While he eventually clicked on about the 4th or 5th watching, initially I found him very flat compared to Scott's version, which was very much larger than life. It's actually quite funny how the RDJ and Cumberbatch Sherlocks are actually quite similar, the two franchises went completely different directions with his nemesis. While they both have the same hatred, nihilism and disregard at the heart of the portrayal, Scott really spews that out at the world, almost uncontrollably, while Harris gives the impression is just under the surface, but very well hidden and managed. I can see that version going all out insane if you chink that armour, but at the same time, he's very much got a lid on it.

I suppose the reason I took a while to warm to the Harris version was that Scott left such an impression (I consider his first real appearance in Sherlock as possibly the best single episode of any television show ever) and I found it hard to see Moriarty as something different. Now that I get both, I do find it fascinating how the same character can inspire almost polar opposites in performance.

**His Master's Voice**

Bond 24 already has Christoph Waltz in the cast. There's no chance they're picking him up as anyone but the main villain, so this guy might end up as a drive by casualty. Maybe. If the casting rumours are true.

**Ensis Ferrae**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Bond 24 already has Christoph Waltz in the cast. There's no chance they're picking him up as anyone but the main villain, so this guy might end up as a drive by casualty. Maybe. If the casting rumours are true.

His face is too friendly, IMO.... Yes, he makes a decent bad guy, but only in a campy, Inglorious Basterds or Django Unchained kind of way

Although... having to google Christoph Waltz's name, I did come across this article, with some interesting rumors:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Christoph-Waltz-May-Fight-James-Bond-Alongside-Epic-TV-Villain-68487.html

For the work blocked or tl;dr.... Among many rumors is that Scot, and Waltz are "teaming up" as co-lead villains, with Dave Bautista (Drax the Destroyer) playing a sort of Jaws character.

In this same article, it's suggested that, if rumors are true, Waltz will be a multi-movie villain, such as Blofeld, or an -esque type role, with Scott playing something more like Dr. No, or Goldfinger as a single movie "main" villain.

**Yodhrin**

Paradigm wrote:
Surtur wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Blegh, not fussed. Honestly the BBC Sherlock doesn't grab me at all; Jared Harris' Moriarty from the Game of Shadows movie was far better than this bloke IMO(in fact, call me when Harris is doing a Bond villain and I'll be right on board), and I prefer Jonny Lee Miller's Sherlock in Elementary over Cumberbatch's "which mental illness will I claim to have this series?" take on the role.

Not gonna lie, I was hoping this would be the RDJ Sherlocke's Moriarty too. He would be an amazing villain, perhaps Blofeld or Goldfinger.

Have to say, it took me a while to 'get' the Jared Harris Moriarty in A Game of Shadows. While he eventually clicked on about the 4th or 5th watching, initially I found him very flat compared to Scott's version, which was very much larger than life. It's actually quite funny how the RDJ and Cumberbatch Sherlocks are actually quite similar, the two franchises went completely different directions with his nemesis. While they both have the same hatred, nihilism and disregard at the heart of the portrayal, Scott really spews that out at the world, almost uncontrollably, while Harris gives the impression is just under the surface, but very well hidden and managed. I can see that version going all out insane if you chink that armour, but at the same time, he's very much got a lid on it.

I suppose the reason I took a while to warm to the Harris version was that Scott left such an impression (I consider his first real appearance in Sherlock as possibly the best single episode of any television show ever) and I found it hard to see Moriarty as something different. Now that I get both, I do find it fascinating how the same character can inspire almost polar opposites in performance.

Hmm, fair enough. For me the Harris version just clicked better with what I want from Moriarty; quiet, unnerving psychopathy from a mind just as sharp as Sherlock's own. Scott's version just came off as "zany what'll-I-do-next madman" to me, more Joker than Moriarty.

Plus, I can't get over how much the BBC sanitized Sherlock himself - I mean seriously, nicotine patches? One of the most famous addict characters in literary history, and they not only downgrade him from hard drugs to cigarette cravings, but they don't even actually have him smoking. At least RDJ's "quirky" version was quirky because he was out of his gourd on opiates and embalming fluid.

**Ensis Ferrae**

Yodhrin wrote:

Plus, I can't get over how much the BBC sanitized Sherlock himself - I mean seriously, nicotine patches? One of the most famous addict characters in literary history, and they not only downgrade him from hard drugs to cigarette cravings, but they don't even actually have him smoking. At least RDJ's "quirky" version was quirky because he was out of his gourd on opiates and embalming fluid.

I think the biggest reasoning for that has to be with the "ratings" TV shows get. Seems like any show that mentions a drug that's "harder" than nicotine or alcohol gets slapped with TVMA rating, which will affect the viewing ratings, and thus the money raked in by viewing.

**Paradigm**

Full cast and title announcement: the film, titled Spectre, will feature the new Aston Martin DB10, and possibly some actors as well!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/30308894

Spectre will be the title of the 24th official James Bond film, its makers have announced.

Director Sam Mendes revealed the title at a launch event at Pinewood Studios in Buckinghamshire, where principal photography is due to begin on Monday.

Daniel Craig will play 007 for the fourth time in the film, to be released in the UK on 23 October 2015.

Other cast members were also announced at Thursday's event, which was beamed around the world.
They include Sherlock's Andrew Scott, as an MI5 employee called Denbigh, and Guardians of the Galaxy actor Dave Bautista, playing a henchman called Mr Hinx.

Italian actress Monica Bellucci and France's Lea Seydoux have been unveiled as the new Bond girls, named Lucia Sciarra and Madeleine Swann respectively.

As expected, double Oscar winner Christoph Waltz will play a character called Oberhauser in the film.

The name of the character is the same as that of Bond's former ski instructor, though it has been rumoured Waltz will really be playing Bond's old nemesis Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

Spectre - Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion - was the name of the international crime syndicate, whose 'Number One' was Blofeld himself.

The organisation featured in the Bond films of the 1960s and was part of a legal tussle with a rival film producer that was recently resolved after many years.

Thursday's event also saw the unveiling of the Aston Martin DB10 which Bond will be driving in his latest screen adventure.

Returning cast members Ralph Fiennes, Naomie Harris, Ben Whishaw and Rory Kinnear were also presented before the world's media, alongside Craig himself.

Craig, 46, first played Ian Fleming's legendary secret agent in 2006's Casino Royale, then in 2008's Quantum of Solace and 2012's Skyfall.

According to the film studio, the plot will see "a cryptic message from Bond's past send him on a trail to uncover a sinister organisation.

"While M battles political forces to keep the secret service alive, Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind Spectre."
The 007 production will be based at Pinewood Studios and on location in London, Mexico City, Rome and Tangier and Erfoud, in Morocco.

Bond will return to the snow once again, this time in Solden, along with other Austrian locations, Obertilliach, and Lake Altaussee.

Bond producers Michael G Wilson and Barbara Broccoli said they were "excited to announce Daniel's fourth instalment in the series".

They also said they were "thrilled that Sam has taken on the challenge of following on the success of Skyfall with Spectre".

And the star role:

**reds8n**

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a614353/bond-24-title-revealed-as-spectre-christoph-waltz-joins-cast.html#~oXtxYYGESQQ8RH

The next James Bond film will be titled Spectre.

Christoph Waltz will play a character named Oberhauser in the Sam Mendes-directed film, which will see Daniel Craig star as Bond for the fourth time.

The rest of the new cast includes Léa Seydoux (Blue Is the Warmest Colour) as Madeleine Swann, Monica Bellucci as Lucia Sciarra, Guardians of the Galaxy's David Bautista as Mr Hinx and Sherlock star Andrew Scott as Denbigh.

Ralph Fiennes, Naomie Harris, Ben Whishaw and Rory Kinnear will reprise their roles from Skyfall.

"A cryptic message from Bond's past sends him on a trail to uncover a sinister organisation," reads the official plot synopsis from EON Productions, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios and Sony Pictures Entertainment.

"While M battles political forces to keep the secret service alive, Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind SPECTRE."
In an announcement from Pinewood Studios on Thursday morning (December 4), Mendes confirmed that the movie will shoot in London, Rome, Mexico City, Morocco and Austria.

Mendes also revealed Bond's sleek new Aston Martin, the DB10, created exclusively for Spectre.

Principal photography on Spectre will start this Monday (December 8).

There have been strong rumours in recent weeks that Academy Award winner Waltz could be playing a classic villain from the Bond canon.

Spectre will be released on November 6, 2015 in cinemas around the world.

Monica Bellucci !

**Mr Morden**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
From an article I first saw on the ol' Book of Faces:

http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/sherlock-star-andrew-scott-to-play-new-bond-villain

For the work blocked:

An insider apparently told The Mirror: “Andrew was hand-picked for a role in the new Bond movie after film bosses loved his star turn in Sherlock. Casting directors thought he was perfect to play a baddie and they wanted to use his existing Sherlock profile – and amp it up to the next level.

They added: “Andrew is hoping the move will see him leap from TV to the big screen, where he can eventually divide his time between London and LA. He knows this is his big break.”

The cast and title of the new Bond film will be unveiled live on Thursday morning.

Principal photography on Bond 24 begins on Monday 8 December, with Daniel Craig playing 007 for a fourth time.

Sam Mendes will return to direct the movie, which will be released in UK cinemas on 23 October 2015.

Thoughts??

OH God NO!

That character single handedly ruined Sherlock for me and I refuse to watch it as long as "Shouty Loony Stupid Moiarity" is in it.

The one in the Hollywood film actually had some menace and dignity - Hated the Scott version - travestiy IMO that destroyed a interesting, if flawed show

**Yodhrin**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:

Plus, I can't get over how much the BBC sanitized Sherlock himself - I mean seriously, nicotine patches? One of the most famous addict characters in literary history, and they not only downgrade him from hard drugs to cigarette cravings, but they don't even actually have him smoking. At least RDJ's "quirky" version was quirky because he was out of his gourd on opiates and embalming fluid.

I think the biggest reasoning for that has to be with the "ratings" TV shows get. Seems like any show that mentions a drug that's "harder" than nicotine or alcohol gets slapped with TVMA rating, which will affect the viewing ratings, and thus the money raked in by viewing.

Oh I understand why they did it, but it still disappoints me. Firstly because, well, the BBC are supposed to be the BBC - bugger the plebs, do a proper adaptation and put it on BBC4

Secondly, because Elementary shows you can still do interesting things with the character if you're willing to mess with the source material in the right ways - they had the same issue as the BBC adaptation re drug use, so they used it as an opportunity to look into the life of a recovering heroin addict rather than just dropping that essential aspect of the character entirely. Hell, even Constantine manages to continually imply that the titular character has just finished or is about to light up a ciggy, the BBC didn't even have the sack to try skirting close to the regulations.

**Ensis Ferrae**

So, does this mean that "Denbigh" is a villain of some flavor, or a minor good guy of some flavor??

**Flashman**

He'll be a bad guy without question.

You don't cast someone with these eyes as a good guy...

**techsoldaten**

I thought the title said 'Mortarion as a Bond Villian.'

Let's see Bond escape the perils of the Destroyer Hive.

**A Town Called Malus**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
Bond 24 already has Christoph Waltz in the cast. There's no chance they're picking him up as anyone but the main villain, so this guy might end up as a drive by casualty. Maybe. If the casting rumours are true.

His face is too friendly, IMO.... Yes, he makes a decent bad guy, but only in a campy, Inglorious Basterds or Django Unchained kind of way .

Many people thought the same kind of thing about this guy

Spoiler:

But then shave the head, add a beard, different mannerisms and voila!

Spoiler:

**Ahtman**

Spoilered for size.

Spoiler:

**Easy E**

Spectre huh? I guess we all know where this is going. Blofeld ahoy!

**Ensis Ferrae**

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Many people thought the same kind of thing about this guy

But then shave the head, add a beard, different mannerisms and voila!

Yes, but the difference there is, when you look at Waltz, he's played 2 major villains, in Tarantino films.... but both were more of what I would consider "Campy" villains, like the joker in the 60s:

Yes, he's "dangerous" in his setting, but it's not all that serious a setting, and you positively KNOW who's going to win.... I've always felt that Bond villains, even if they're odd or "zany" need to have a certain level of menace/seriousness to them.

Mads Mikkelson and Javier Bardem instantly spring to my mind for this.... You have a guy who bleeds from the eye (and Bond takes a jab at that one as they're playing cards), and a dude who's completely off his rocker in Silver. But, both of them delivered a threat and menace that you can just SEE on screen.

Obviously, we'll have to wait and see how Waltz does, but he does make me a bit uneasy, because he is still Landa, and/or Schultz, and both of them are rather silly villains.

**Ahtman**

Perhaps Waltz will be the red herring with Scott turning out to be the real villain all along right under Bond's nose. Either way I plan on seeing it.

**KalashnikovMarine**

I'm hoping that's not true Ahtman, Waltz needs to be Blofeld!

**Compel**

I'm personally not that sure about how I feel about bringing Blofield back from the dead.

Now, if it was someone establishing as Blofeld's heir... That'd be interesting.

**KalashnikovMarine**

We've completely rebooted Bond in the Craig films. From the rough and tumble secret agent to the return to the smooth, sophisticated spy, complete with M and the original office, and Q. Why wouldn't Blofeld return in a new form as well?

**Compel**

I suppose it's because, both M and Q are ranks.

Bond is, and always is Bond, not matter how wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey his history is. It just seems odd to overtly contradict it by having a Blofeld again.

I suppose, I'd be happy with a quick conversation like, "SPECTRE? I thought they were destroyed years ago..."