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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 03:28:25
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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I thought this was a good opinion piece, as well as a good topic that I think both the liberal and conservative wings can generally agree upon.
RELEASE OF SIX DETAINEES AFTER TWELVE YEARS HIGHLIGHTS THE HISTORIC EVIL OF GUANTÁNAMO
BY GLENN GREENWALD @ggreenwald TODAY AT 6:01 AM
The U.S. military overnight transferred six Guantánamo detainees to Uruguay. All of them had been imprisoned since 2002 – more than 12 years. None has ever been charged with a crime, let alone convicted of any wrongdoing. They had all been cleared for release years ago by the Pentagon itself, but nonetheless remained in cages until today.
Among the released detainees is Abu Wa’el Dhiab, a Lebanese-born Syrian national and father of four who was seized by the Pakistani police and turned over to the U.S. in 2002 for what was reportedly a large bounty. He was cleared for release in 2009 – five years ago – and has repeatedly gone on hunger strikes inside the camp to protest his treatment. At the age of 43, he has become physically debilitated. As the human rights group Reprieve detailed:
As a result of the conditions inside the prison and the callous treatment he has received, Mr Dhiab’s health has now deteriorated to such an extent that he is confined to a wheelchair. Recent revelations revealed that Mr. Dhiab is being denied access to his wheelchair, meaning he is brutally dragged from his cell and force-fed against his will every day.
As the great Miami Herald Guantánamo reporter Carol Rosenberg notes, there are – six years after Obama was elected on a pledge to close the camp – still 136 detainees there, with 67 of them cleared for release (Democrats’ claims that Obama is largely blameless are false and misleading in the extreme, as are claims that no country will accept detainees). In a just-posted article, Rosenberg notes that the release of these six men, all in their 30s and 40s, was underway for a full year, but it “sat on [Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel's] desk for months, awaiting his signature, while intelligence analysts evaluated it.”
For all the years of propagandistic assertions that the detainees are dangerous “terrorists,” almost none has been charged with any crime by a government that has repeatedly (and with disgraceful ease) convicted people on terrorism allegations. They have just been kept in cages, indefinitely, in the middle of an ocean, thousands of miles from their homes. Nine detainees have died at the camp: several allegedly by suicide, others from illness. One of the detainees was an Al Jazeera photojournalist, Sami Al-Haj, who was encaged for six years with no charges or trial and with almost no U.S. media notice (even as the U.S. media endlessly denounces the detention of U.S. journalists by other governments).
One significant reason these six detainees were released today is because Uruguay’s President, Jose Mujica, publicly shamed the U.S. into doing so. He wrote an open letter to Obama last week, posted on his presidential website, urging their release on humanitarian grounds, writing: “We have offered our hospitality for human beings who suffered an atrocious kidnapping in Guantánamo.” Mujica himself is a “former 14-year political prisoner who spent much of his captivity in solitary confinement for his guerrilla activities with the Tupamaro revolutionary movement.”
Just as the Obama administration suppressed photos showing U.S. torture and is now attempting to delay if not outright prevent release of the U.S. Senate’s torture report, Obama officials have repeatedly sought to suppress the videos showing the horrors of force-feeding at Guantanámo. It was the family of Dhiab, the Lebanese-Syrian detainee released today, which relentlessly pursued a legal and public campaign to obtain those videos to show the brutality of this treatment. As Reprieve described:
After mounting a prominent legal challenge against his treatment, lawyers from Reprieve were able to view the video tapes of Mr. Dhiab being force fed. Whilst their content is currently classified “Secret” and therefore cannot be disclosed to the public, Cori Crider, Strategic Director for Reprieve and counsel for Mr. Dhiab, said that she had ‘trouble sleeping’ after viewing the harrowing tapes. In June 2014, 16 news organisations, including Reuters and the New York Times, intervened in Dhiab v Obama to seek access to the videos on First Amendment grounds [DISCLOSURE: First Look Media, which publishes The Intercept, was one of the organizations bringing that suit].
In October, a federal judge ordered the videos released, but just last week, the Justice Department announced it was appealing the ruling. The rationale from The Most Transparent Administration Ever™ for suppressing evidence of U.S. government crimes, brutality and savagery is always the same: transparency will “adversely affect[] security conditions in Afghanistan and Iraq” by enraging people around the world. Not engaging in such behavior is never an option. The only priority is preventing its disclosure.
In a gut-wrenching July essay at The Huffington Post, Dhiab’s wife, Umm Wa’el, recounted the suffering she and her family have endured as a result of her husband’s 12-year, due-process-free imprisonment in the middle of the Caribbean Sea:
More than a decade has passed since Abu Wa’el was taken from us in the night. I had just given birth to our fourth child; our other children were just toddlers. My husband is a kind man and a superb cook. I miss the dishes he learned to prepare in his father’s restaurant. He is guilty of no crime, has never been charged, and was told by President Obama five years ago that he would be released from Guantanamo. . . .
In the past, I wouldn’t have expected this kind of secrecy of America. But over the past few months, I’ve seen it repeatedly. First, the government fought to prevent our lawyers from seeing the force-feeding videos. Now they forbid our lawyers from even discussing their content with other security-cleared lawyers in secret. Then they opposed the request from 16 of their country’s most reputed media groups for access to the material. They are doing their best to make sure that what has happened — is happening — to my husband never sees the light of day. . . .
America was shocked by the images from Abu Ghraib. These films from Guantanamo threaten to do the same. The American people should be given the chance to see them, and to decide whether they accept what is being done daily to my husband. I am certain that if they are given the chance, they will see the reality: the simple desperation of an innocent man, held without charge or trial, using the only means at his disposal to get back to his wife and children.
That is a scenario that has repeated itself over and over for the last 13 years – not just at Guantanámo but other American due-process-free hellholes at Bagram (which the Obama DOJ vehemently defended) and Abu Ghraib, as well as aboard floating lawless ships and CIA black sites. None of this has remotely deterred the U.S. and its uber-national media commentators from continuing to lecture the world on the necessity of due process and fair judicial proceedings (just as Tony Blair’s lucrative subservience to dictators doesn’t prevent him from lecturing the world on the need for democracy).
But all of this has increasingly caused the world to stop taking seriously anything American officials have to say on such matters (to the extent anyone took it seriously before). As well they should. The historic evils and shameful actions of the U.S. government during the Endless War on Terror are manifold. Keeping people in cages for more than a decade and counting in the middle of the sea, far from their families, without a shred of due process or hope for release, is near the top of that list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 17:46:46
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Well, I'm going to applaud the US for releasing these guys, even though I think the entire situation is despicable. 'Bout time something was done.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 17:48:08
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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And will you applaud when they find their way back and join ISIS or some such and start killing people again?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 17:54:51
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Frazzled wrote:And will you applaud when they find their way back and join ISIS or some such and start killing people again?
To be fair, even if they were nothing to do with terrorism before their kidnapping, torture and imprisonment, I would imagine their treatment has inspired plenty of people to sign on the dotted line to fight against the West...
Centres like this should have never existed in the first place, nor should the people who set up, run and support the centre and treatment of those held there escape punishment for their complicity in it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0022/07/23 21:10:04
Subject: Re:US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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By all accounts it sounds like a hellhole. I know i'd rather be dead than end up in there.
It's almost like the West wants to foster generations of terrorists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2021/04/11 23:19:51
Subject: Re:US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Medium of Death wrote:By all accounts it sounds like a hellhole. I know i'd rather be dead than end up in there.
It's almost like the West wants to foster generations of terrorists.
Look up your history. There've always been generations. Even the Mongols dealt with them (and boy were they dealt with!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 18:29:36
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Prove that any of these guys are killers and get back to me. You could do it in a court or something!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 18:33:05
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Frazzled wrote:And will you applaud when they find their way back and join ISIS or some such and start killing people again?
If you don't have faith in those protecting you, then you won't have faith in letting people who might be a problem get released.
You're more likely to get killed by a cop or even another citizen than a terrorist attack.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 18:33:44
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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The Conquerer
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Da Boss wrote:Prove that any of these guys are killers and get back to me. You could do it in a court or something!
Where is it written that Terrorists have a right to trial?
Prisoners of war don't require a trial either.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 18:34:53
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Da Boss wrote:Prove that any of these guys are killers and get back to me. You could do it in a court or something!
Considering the results to date of released inmates are that the vast majority return to jihad, I don't have to.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 18:48:36
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
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Any suspected criminal (including terrorists) extradited to the USA would have a trial under the rule of law.
Prisoners of war don't require a trial either.
Prisoners of war are generally expected to be held under conditions imposed by the Geneva Convention too. But as your government doesn't view these people as PoW's and doesn't view them as suspected criminals, it seems happy to just lock them away and brutalise them; kind of like one might expect in a tinpot dictatorship, not "the land of the free".
Automatically Appended Next Post: Frazzled wrote:Considering the results to date of released inmates are that the vast majority return to jihad, I don't have to.
If a state had stolen 10 years of my life and spent that time torturing me I think I might give a thought to fighting against them if I were ever to be freed too...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 18:53:18
Subject: Re:US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I'm frankly not that ripped up about it because these people are scum, although paying to imprison people who have no value as prisoners does seem like a waste of cash.
I think that they should either be tried and convicted as terrorists(and put to death) or released while being told that if we ever find they rejoin or continue to associate with terrorists that they'll find a hellfire missile getting dropped at their feet. But I'm not overly concerned if they continue to rot.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:03:59
Subject: Re:US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Catskills in NYS
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Grey Templar wrote:I'm frankly not that ripped up about it because these people are scum, although paying to imprison people who have no value as prisoners does seem like a waste of cash.
I think that they should either be tried and convicted as terrorists(and put to death) or released while being told that if we ever find they rejoin or continue to associate with terrorists that they'll find a hellfire missile getting dropped at their feet. But I'm not overly concerned if they continue to rot.
And what if they have been wrongfully imprisoned. The reason it's so bad is that they have never been convicted of a crime, just kidnapped from their own county under suspicion of aiding terrorists. Do you not understand that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:05:22
Subject: Re:US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Can you prove that anyone there has been wrongfully accused of being a terrorist or having ties to a terror group?
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:07:45
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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GT: Anyone ever? Then definitely, yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:09:32
Subject: Re:US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Grey Templar wrote:Can you prove that anyone there has been wrongfully accused of being a terrorist or having ties to a terror group?
One google search. http://www.infowars.com/landmark-case-finding-a-life-after-7-years-false-imprisonment-at-guantanamo/
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kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:12:19
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Whilst that is true, that you linked a infowars article will allow people to ignore it and keep the narrative in their heads. Remember, never link Alex Jones. Otherwise we move onto the next step, moving the goalposts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:13:42
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Remember, never link Alex Jones.
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True words there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:14:25
Subject: Re:US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Catskills in NYS
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MrDwhitey wrote:Whilst that is true, that you linked a infowars article will allow people to ignore it and keep the narrative in their heads.
Remember, never link Alex Jones.
Otherwise we move onto the next step, moving the goalposts.
I just searched "Guantanamo Bay false imprisonment" and grabbed the first one I saw.
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:19:26
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Isn't this whole thread getting into the "poltical" realm - ie against PP forum rules? Automatically Appended Next Post: Azeroth wrote:Isn't this whole thread getting into the "poltical" realm - ie against PP forum rules?
HAHA my bad.. was looking at the wrong website - argue on...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:21:01
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Dude this is the OT. Automatically Appended Next Post: If a state had stolen 10 years of my life and spent that time torturing me I think I might give a thought to fighting against them if I were ever to be freed too...
So you agree with me. Excellent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:46:54
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Frazzled wrote:Dude this is the OT.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
If a state had stolen 10 years of my life and spent that time torturing me I think I might give a thought to fighting against them if I were ever to be freed too...
So you agree with me. Excellent.
Yeah I would fight them too... In the media and the courts.
The situation in guantanamo is an outrage (and should be for a nation like the US that likes to pretend it has the moral high ground).
Anyway, the main problem with your point is the fact that if the US government hadn't made Guantanamo in the first place this would not be a problem (and terrorism wouldn't be one either.)
Although I kinda like the responses to this post.
They make fantastic quotes for my Fb discussions about americans and their defence policy  (Title: is the UK or the USA more dictatorial? And are americans really stupider/less educated and aware of the world than britons?)
Note: I'm not british (or american either).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 19:51:01
Subject: Re:US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Anyway, the main problem with your point is the fact that if the US government hadn't made Guantanamo in the first place this would not be a problem (and terrorism wouldn't be one either.)
Really? I missed the part where terrorism didn't exist before Gitmo magically appeared and started kidnapping innocents.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 20:06:34
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America: Land of Freedom*
*you won't be free if your being free might in any way shape or form possibly cause harm, even if we are in the wrong and you are in the right
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 20:12:07
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Talon of Anathrax wrote:Yeah I would fight them too... In the media and the courts.
The situation in guantanamo is an outrage (and should be for a nation like the US that likes to pretend it has the moral high ground).
Anyway, the main problem with your point is the fact that if the US government hadn't made Guantanamo in the first place this would not be a problem (and terrorism wouldn't be one either.)
@bolded: you are surely not suggesting that terrorism came about because of Gitmo? I mean, that would require literal amounts of willful ignorance. Hopefully I'm misunderstanding you?
As to the article, Gitmo's mere existence should be offensive to Americans. If these people are criminals, prove it and be done with them. If they're not, there's no reason to hold them. We shouldn't be holding people for a decade or more with on charges, no rights and no repercussions. It's grotesque.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 20:23:46
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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juraigamer wrote:America: Land of Freedom*
*you won't be free if your being free might in any way shape or form possibly cause harm, even if we are in the wrong and you are in the right
Works for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 20:29:12
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Frazzled wrote: juraigamer wrote:America: Land of Freedom*
*you won't be free if your being free might in any way shape or form possibly cause harm, even if we are in the wrong and you are in the right
Works for me.
Then I guess all gun owners have to go to jail  .
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 20:30:38
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Co'tor Shas wrote: Frazzled wrote: juraigamer wrote:America: Land of Freedom*
*you won't be free if your being free might in any way shape or form possibly cause harm, even if we are in the wrong and you are in the right
Works for me.
Then I guess all gun owners have to go to jail  .
The difference of course is that the Gitmo detainees aren't US citizens who were caught on the battlefield. *
*Here's where Frazzled quits caring.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 20:45:59
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Frazzled wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote: Frazzled wrote: juraigamer wrote:America: Land of Freedom*
*you won't be free if your being free might in any way shape or form possibly cause harm, even if we are in the wrong and you are in the right
Works for me.
Then I guess all gun owners have to go to jail  .
The difference of course is that the Gitmo detainees aren't US citizens who were caught on the battlefield. *
*Here's where Frazzled quits caring.
Were does it say that they were all captured on the battlefield?
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/08 20:54:34
Subject: US releases 6 Guantanamo detainees to Uruguay
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Grey Templar wrote:Where is it written that Terrorists have a right to trial?
Prisoners of war don't require a trial either.
1.) They're alleged terrorists. They have never been tried for anything, let alone convicted. They've had no chance to show evidence they're even the right person, let alone guilty of what they allegedly did. This is the same administration that brought us Fast & The Furious, Benghazi, and the IRS scandal, btw - you seemed a lot less trusting of their competence in those threads. I'm sure they made no mistakes here though!
2.) Prisoners of war also have rights that have not been accorded to these guys, either. So maybe not a great example.
Grey Templar wrote:Can you prove that anyone there has been wrongfully accused of being a terrorist or having ties to a terror group?
There's as much proof they are rightfully accused as they are wrongfully accused, i.e. none. We scooped these guys up, claimed they were terrorists, and threw them in a hole for 12 years. We can't even try them now, because of course they got tortured and any evidence is now inadmissable.
Are you really good with this? That the President of the United States can just point at someone, go "he's a terrorist", and boom, off you got into some extrajudicial gulag, without any rights or oversight? You don't see any concerns there?
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