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I only felt like a couple minis suffered really heavily from that, but, yeah, fair enough- there are some problems with that, and doing better next wave, while being an obvious improvement/positive response, doesn't fix the ones that have problems.

Looks really good -

Just been watchig season 2 of Vikings and reading various novels so well up for anything related

Some of the names on that map are pretty odd. Myrkulor means "Ant balls" or "Ant Marbles" in Swedish...

Raven Clan Warrior

While that's probably a resin master and not a PVC Production Mini, it is quite nice!

I really like the troll. Ill be watching this one.

Yeh that is a resin master. Great sculpt and great design though!

Really wish I could a resin version of that mini so I can have hopes of painting it when in reality will jut sit in of my big bins of lost hopes and dreams.

if it were to ever be released in resin, it will be like 10 copies. First come first served bitches!

migooo wrote:
I really like the troll. Ill be watching this one.

Ditto. It's a very nice model and I'd like to purchase one when possible.

Interested to see how that becomes possible.

Raven Clan Leader

The sculpts and design on these are awesome! For the first time I in a very long time I find myself eagerly looking forward to each new tid bit released from an upcoming project. I imagien that this will do really well.

But...PVC here too, right?

Yes 1 part (as much as possible) preassembled PVC same as The Others and I believe the new Conan game (though I'm not following that one) all made by Dust Studios.

I posted some production pictures of the Pride miniature before (forget which thread now)

the skin texture on that Pride figure is quite astounding.

And yes as far as I remember reading this is a PVC product as well.

It really does seem as though PVC is the future of the industry. Warts and all.

It does look really nice,

but remember that the problems you get with PVC (shrinkage, 'soft' details etc) are all less prevalent on larger models

so it will be good to see what the human sized minis for this look like as final casts

That's a nice looking Norseman.

A game like this isn't going to be complete without some Valkyries of some sort though...

 tre manor wrote:


It really does seem as though PVC is the future of the industry. Warts and all.

At the cost how can it not be?

I love resin as much as the next guy. Resin is great. But resin is also pricey.

And while not as much, so is metal.

The truth is that PVC, especially like the Others and the WoK stuff I've had my hands on, has plenty of detail for 97% of the people that are going to paint it. And the funny thing is that the other 3% that would be able to REALLY take advantage of the extra detail Resin offers can make the PVC look just like resin to begin with.

The only negative to PVC at this point, IMO, is cleanup. And with that we've seen that, as the industry is adjusting, that effort level is going to continue to decrease.

Well the entry investment for PVC rules out the kind of boutique lines the minis industry are accustomed to and the race to the bottom pricing of most KS campaign onyl compounds the problem. Mark my words over the next 5 years you will see less and less boutique manufacturing and more and mroe big box manufacturing. Which is fien if you liek the same old same old.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It does look really nice,

but remember that the problems you get with PVC (shrinkage, 'soft' details etc) are all less prevalent on larger models

so it will be good to see what the human sized minis for this look like as final casts

Shrinkage with large models is a big problem with PVC.


Owning Sedition wars PVC and resin, large train and the Hurley shrunk considerably. The Quasimodo shrunk 4 or 5 mm


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 tre manor wrote:
Well the entry investment for PVC rules out the kind of boutique lines the minis industry are accustomed to and the race to the bottom pricing of most KS campaign onyl compounds the problem. Mark my words over the next 5 years you will see less and less boutique manufacturing and more and mroe big box manufacturing. Which is fien if you liek the same old same old.

Hope this is not the case, don't want to see the market crowded with cheap miniatures, pvc is ok for board game pieces but in terms of building and painting a model, I just don't get the same satisfaction as I do with metal, resin and HIPs.

really hope HIPs is the future, be via cheaper efficient manufacturing or 3D printing.

I really don't think PVC is the "future of the industry" - it has, though, been the reality of "bucket o minis" box games for some time now. That's not my niche, and despite having spent quite a bit on Kickstarter, I've only gotten a handful of PVC miniatures (some of which I immediately sold off, I might add).

PVC works great for a big gribbly monster like Pride. For a 28mm human... it is probably the least ideal material I can think of. Privateer Press learned this the hard way, even at 32-35mm, but are finally out of the contract they were stuck in for so long with their manufacturer, and have already moved to some sprue-based kits.

I see metal going away but resin is going to continue to flourish for high end miniatures, since it yields the best results, and to many is worth the increased cost (including me).

That said, these gribbly monsters are perfect for PVC and I'll definitely be keeping an eye on them!

 RiTides wrote:

PVC works great for a big gribbly monster like Pride. For a 28mm human... it is probably the least ideal material I can think of. Privateer Press learned this the hard way, even at 32-35mm, but are finally out of the contract they were stuck in for so long with their manufacturer, and have already moved to some sprue-based kits.

Oh really???

Which kits have moved to HIPS? That's a pretty exciting development.

 cincydooley wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

PVC works great for a big gribbly monster like Pride. For a 28mm human... it is probably the least ideal material I can think of. Privateer Press learned this the hard way, even at 32-35mm, but are finally out of the contract they were stuck in for so long with their manufacturer, and have already moved to some sprue-based kits.

Oh really???

Which kits have moved to HIPS? That's a pretty exciting development.

One. The Cyriss Battle Engine, which is a big kit.

 Alex C wrote:


One. The Cyriss Battle Engine, which is a big kit.

Too bad the Cyriss battle box is such garbage. I think I sold that kit off quicker than I sold off Deadzone.

 RiTides wrote:
I really don't think PVC is the "future of the industry" - it has, though, been the reality of "bucket o minis" box games for some time now. That's not my niche, and despite having spent quite a bit on Kickstarter, I've only gotten a handful of PVC miniatures (some of which I immediately sold off, I might add).

PVC works great for a big gribbly monster like Pride. For a 28mm human... it is probably the least ideal material I can think of. Privateer Press learned this the hard way, even at 32-35mm, but are finally out of the contract they were stuck in for so long with their manufacturer, and have already moved to some sprue-based kits.

I see metal going away but resin is going to continue to flourish for high end miniatures, since it yields the best results, and to many is worth the increased cost (including me).

That said, these gribbly monsters are perfect for PVC and I'll definitely be keeping an eye on them!

Yes, PVC is nice for low cost mini's and boardgames, but i don't see it taking over the industry, Metal will also stay, at least for a while until we get industrial speed 3D printing.

the market is already crowded with PVC models. Most of them just have not been delivered yet.

I personally like the IDEA of PVC figures. It is just the reality I am usually disappointed in.

While PVC may not be everyone's cuppa if it is for enough peopel that is where the manufacturing will turn more and more often. It is just the way of market forces.

I would honestly like to see more minis in the new Mantic Board Game Plastic or in Bones. HIPS is my favorite, but for boxes full of cheap minis, the other two will do in a pinch. Boutique minis are not for me.

I wasn't a fan of my Bones. I bought a few Reaper minis I always liked when they came out in Bones but ended up giving them away so that I could buy the metal versions,

I still think PVC could be a great material for minis, manufacturers just need to find a formula for it that cleans up a little easier.

Also - just to be On-Topic, these Vikings look very bad-ass.

I hope they use the same material as Dust and the new Conan KS. I will definitely get in on this KS.

 tre manor wrote:
the market is already crowded with PVC models. Most of them just have not been delivered yet.

I personally like the IDEA of PVC figures. It is just the reality I am usually disappointed in.

While PVC may not be everyone's cuppa if it is for enough peopel that is where the manufacturing will turn more and more often. It is just the way of market forces.

Think it will come down to audience and when you desire your final product to be.

Remember Adam poots was going to originally produce Kingdom death in PVC. He change his decision not too long after Sedition Wars was delivered, he was also a contributor to that game. I can't help but feel like his image would have been tarnished if he had delivered his product in that form.

PVC is great in the right place as far as details go. They are good chibi and cartoon-like minis. But Not sure how well it could handle the detail of say an Infinity model, arena rex or dark lands.

love pvc for board games, can throw them in a sandwich box and not worry about snapping.

PVC has it's place in this industry, but I hope it is not everywhere.

Somewhere on the youtubes the Malifuax/wyrd guys were being interviewed at gencon about there release of their plastic miniatures, they did their research and made the right choice with the type of plastic they chose. They mentioned things like the cost to produce each miniature is significantly less but they need to sell a lot more to pay off mold costs.

I'm not sure the costs to produce a mold the size malifaux uses I've heard numbers from 5k to 30k (wide price range there) but would love to see the day where large KS would opt for HIPs plastic as the material of choice, if possible.

 Piston Honda wrote:


I'm not sure the costs to produce a mold the size malifaux uses I've heard numbers from 5k to 30k (wide price range there) but would love to see the day where large KS would opt for HIPs plastic as the material of choice, if possible.

It still has to be done well. Shadows of Brimstone opted for HIPS and they look like crap.

Simply being in HIPS doesn't automatically mean it's going to be a quality miniature.