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I dunno. Normally, I'd agree but with the 32mm bases it may actually be a re-do. I hope not, though, because I've already converted mine and that got expensive buying bits from eBay. I stupidly used the guns from the Ghost Ark for my conversions.
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Only the lord should be a new model. In the german white dwarf page showing the conversion they make quite some effort to explain why these necron warriors have modified weaponry. This does not sound like a change for all necrons but a conversion idea for this specific sub-faction which the GW painting team came up with.
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We've been justly conservative in our expectations for the Crons, but I'm thinking that we may just get a more uplifting product than we've set ourselves up for.
That leaked formation or detachment (what's the difference again?) reveals that there WILL be multiple warlord trait tables for separate dynasties. Very neat.
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Victory wrote: We've been justly conservative in our expectations for the Crons, but I'm thinking that we may just get a more uplifting product than we've set ourselves up for.
Formations tend to be more specific, asking you to field specific units in specific numbers, while Detachments only work at the level of FoC, with the possibility to take more.
To use a Champions of Fenris Space Wolves examples, there's a detachment that requires you to take 1 HQ and 2 Elite choices, but you could use, say, a Wolf Lord with 2 Terminator Squads or a Rune Priest with 2 Dreadnoughts or Lone Wolves or Wolf Scouts or whatever else is in Elite. You could also add Troops, FA, HS, etc., etc..
In contrast, there's also a Formation (among others) that requires you to take Logan, a Terminator Squad of exactly 5 models (no more, no less, no Wolf Scouts instead, etc..), a Land Raider and a Storm Fang Gunship. You couldn't just add a random Troop or Fast Attack choice to the Formation.
That leaked formation or detachment (what's the difference again?) reveals that there WILL be multiple warlord trait tables for separate dynasties. Very neat.
That is from the Shield of Baal campaign book though. Hive Fleet Leviathan also got one in the first Shield of Baal book. Doesn't necessarily mean there'll be more than one in the Codex.
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The Warriors are conversions. Proof of that is in the latest White Dwarf where they show you how. The Lord doesn't look like a conversion. The head is new. The weapon is new and doesn't look like a scratchbuild. It's possible that it's a conversion, but GW hasn't done any scratchbuilding in recent conversions. I'm assuming this is the new Lord/Overlord clampack.
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That is from the Shield of Baal campaign book though. Hive Fleet Leviathan also got one in the first Shield of Baal book. Doesn't necessarily mean there'll be more than one in the Codex.
Gotcha. No different than that IA book's Dynasty then.
Breotan wrote: All conversions. I dunno. Normally, I'd agree but with the 32mm bases it may actually be a re-do. I hope not, though, because I've already converted mine and that got expensive buying bits from eBay. I stupidly used the guns from the Ghost Ark for my conversions.
Why is that dumb? Granted, I never did so, but they look liked they'd work OK...
And yeah 99% sure that's a new lord. I look forward to a single new plastic character, a plastic destroyer lord, an across the board 5% price hike, and nerfs-a-plenty, starting with MSS.
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Victory wrote: That leaked formation or detachment (what's the difference again?)
A Formation usually requires very specific units, whereas a Detachment just gives you a number of slots you can usually fill with any unit with the appropriate Battlefield Role.
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Breotan wrote: All conversions. I dunno. Normally, I'd agree but with the 32mm bases it may actually be a re-do. I hope not, though, because I've already converted mine and that got expensive buying bits from eBay. I stupidly used the guns from the Ghost Ark for my conversions.
Why is that dumb? Granted, I never did so, but they look liked they'd work OK...
I say dumb because of the expense and effort I put in when there was clearly a better/cheaper way to go that produced the same results.
Here's what I was doing...
Buying Gauss Blasters off eBay instead of Ghost Ark Gauss Rifles would have been a lot cheaper and easier to get that little bit done right. Especially since I still have a ton of them that I never used.
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I am not a fan of it looking like the hull ribbing on the Arcs personally. I'd much rather it be a blade, of course that god awful shade of orange isn't helping me sort out what it actually could be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I just noticed that lord has a praetorian backpack. Maybe Neconrs lords will be able to take jump packs and destroyers/lords will become jetbikes again.
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Red Corsair wrote: I am not a fan of it looking like the hull ribbing on the Arcs personally. I'd much rather it be a blade, of course that god awful shade of orange isn't helping me sort out what it actually could be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I just noticed that lord has a praetorian backpack. Maybe Neconrs lords will be able to take jump packs and destroyers/lords will become jetbikes again.
That would go a bit of the way in making praetorians usable.
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Red Corsair wrote: I am not a fan of it looking like the hull ribbing on the Arcs personally. I'd much rather it be a blade, of course that god awful shade of orange isn't helping me sort out what it actually could be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I just noticed that lord has a praetorian backpack. Maybe Neconrs lords will be able to take jump packs and destroyers/lords will become jetbikes again.
That would go a bit of the way in making praetorians usable.
Not sure how that makes Praetorians useful. Destroyer Lords didn't make them useful; why would a regular Overlord do so?
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Red Corsair wrote: I am not a fan of it looking like the hull ribbing on the Arcs personally. I'd much rather it be a blade, of course that god awful shade of orange isn't helping me sort out what it actually could be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I just noticed that lord has a praetorian backpack. Maybe Neconrs lords will be able to take jump packs and destroyers/lords will become jetbikes again.
That would go a bit of the way in making praetorians usable.
Not sure how that makes Praetorians useful. Destroyer Lords didn't make them useful; why would a regular Overlord do so?
Overlords can take invuls. More tanking potential.
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Red Corsair wrote: I am not a fan of it looking like the hull ribbing on the Arcs personally. I'd much rather it be a blade, of course that god awful shade of orange isn't helping me sort out what it actually could be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I just noticed that lord has a praetorian backpack. Maybe Neconrs lords will be able to take jump packs and destroyers/lords will become jetbikes again.
That would go a bit of the way in making praetorians usable.
Not sure how that makes Praetorians useful. Destroyer Lords didn't make them useful; why would a regular Overlord do so?
Because a regular overlord can take Sempiternal Weave, Phase shifter and thus soak craptons of fire while getting them into cc
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H.B.M.C. wrote: They could always remove most of these wargear items and turn them into slightly-less-useful relics.
IDK it's hard to imagine phase shifters becoming relics since wraiths come with them standard. I could definitely see things like the phylactery and tachyon arrows becoming relics along with some sort of special warscythe and res orb and maybe a special hat that allows for an extra warlord trait or some such rubbish You know, the standard fair
Red Corsair wrote: I am not a fan of it looking like the hull ribbing on the Arcs personally. I'd much rather it be a blade, of course that god awful shade of orange isn't helping me sort out what it actually could be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I just noticed that lord has a praetorian backpack. Maybe Neconrs lords will be able to take jump packs and destroyers/lords will become jetbikes again.
That would go a bit of the way in making praetorians usable.
Not sure how that makes Praetorians useful. Destroyer Lords didn't make them useful; why would a regular Overlord do so?
Because a regular overlord can take Sempiternal Weave, Phase shifter and thus soak craptons of fire while getting them into cc
So can the destroyer lord, where's the argument?... Unless rules and points are changed praetorians are worse than useless. It'd be like tanking for people with no arms or legs to get into combat, utterly pointless
Red Corsair wrote: I am not a fan of it looking like the hull ribbing on the Arcs personally. I'd much rather it be a blade, of course that god awful shade of orange isn't helping me sort out what it actually could be.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I just noticed that lord has a praetorian backpack. Maybe Neconrs lords will be able to take jump packs and destroyers/lords will become jetbikes again.
That would go a bit of the way in making praetorians usable.
Not sure how that makes Praetorians useful. Destroyer Lords didn't make them useful; why would a regular Overlord do so?
Because a regular overlord can take Sempiternal Weave, Phase shifter and thus soak craptons of fire while getting them into cc
So can the destroyer lord, where's the argument?... Unless rules and points are changed praetorians are worse than useless. It'd be like tanking for people with no arms or legs to get into combat, utterly pointless
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Okay, so top pic shows new mystery Overlord model (Zarathusa the Ineffable?) with 10 Warriors to the left, 10 Warriors to the right, and 5 Tesla(?) Immortals behind.
... but what are those other models at the very back? We can see three bases and some legs, but not much else. Possibly Deathmarks.
Bottom pic has (bottom to top) Warrior with converted gun, Anrakyr, bunch of BA, 5 Rod Praetorian, a couple of old Crypteks (guess we're probably not getting new sculpts of them after all), a Transcendent C'tan, and what might be the leg of a Triarch Stalker (top left corner).
What we can take from these photos about the Mephrit dynasty?
• their army bonus is rerolling RP (so it looks like Lords Of Wargaming might have been right about "Dynasty tactics")
• they can take a crap-ton of troops (man, if Ghost Arks remain dedicated transports for Warriors, AV13 wall could be unprecedentedly scary)
• they don't keep their T. C'tan in Tesseract Vaults (just letting them run around unleashed? Yikes)
• ... they like orange and green?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, OP or mods, can we get the new info added to the top post and update the title?
(I hate it when rumor/news threads get abandoned by their starter, so everyone new to the thread has to go sifting through pages and pages of crap to find the new info. It might only be 4 pages now, but it's going to get much more as the weeks go on. Without regular upkeep, it's going to be a mess, later)
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Somebody mentioned that the new Overlord looked like he had an anti-grav harness like Praetorians have... but looking at the Praetorians below, the thing on the Overlord's back doesn't look anything like their harnesses.
Also, OP or mods, can we get the new info added to the top post and update the title?
(I hate it when rumor/news threads get abandoned by their starter, so everyone new to the thread has to go sifting through pages and pages of crap to find the new info. It might only be 4 pages now, but it's going to get much more as the weeks go on. Without regular upkeep, it's going to be a mess, later)
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Medium of Death wrote: Warriors look like regular bases to me. Immortals are larger certainly.
Those warrior bases are definitely bigger. You can barely fit both feet of a warrior on a 25mm base.
I've got quite a few and better than half of each foot extends beyond the base. If you put one foot completely on the base the other would be hanging off the side, mid air.
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