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Never? I have three of that model..
Though two of them are indeed not original :O

Kangodo wrote:
Never? I have three of that model..
Though two of them are indeed not original :O

Haha, that partially is what I meant

Most people either use a...not...directly original one or some very good-looking proxies.

Not selling them seperately from the Vault was a stupid decision.

I confess I have the original two. I also use the Necromunda Demon host for a third.

All this talk about not being able to upgrade the crypteks seems silly, what's stopping me from taking an entire list of stormteks and playing unbound? If i want to play unbound none of this argument is valid. And there's no restrictions on the formation so any cryptek wargear is allowed. In the codex the only way to take a lord or tek was via a royal court, so in this brave new world of detachments and formations and unbound, anyone can truly take whatever tek they want for the formation.

Unbound does not allow you to break the rules. Unbound merely removes most of the FOC limits.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Unbound does not allow you to break the rules. Unbound merely removes most of the FOC limits.

Isn't that exactly what it allows you to do though? If I want to play a unit, play it?

Unbound allow my 15 cryptek on the field, 10 lords, 5 destroyer lords, 5 overlords, to hit the gaming table. Also it allows my opponent to run 10 purgation squad with psycannons, and 10 strikesquad with incinerators. Fun times!


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 Sigvatr wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
They haven't, but there's a decent chance they will next month if he's included in the codex.

Not going to happen without invalidating Escalation as a core rulebook, which right now it is. I expect a cut and paste of the T. C'tan(if included at all) from escalation, just like the Stompa. GW needs to sell those plastic Vaults.

I have never seen anyone use the original model for the T-C'tan

I have 6 of the original model for the T-C'tan. Pics available.

legions_no_more wrote:
Unbound allow my 15 cryptek on the field, 10 lords, 5 destroyer lords, 5 overlords, to hit the gaming table. Also it allows my opponent to run 10 purgation squad with psycannons, and 10 strikesquad with incinerators. Fun times!


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 Sigvatr wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
They haven't, but there's a decent chance they will next month if he's included in the codex.

Not going to happen without invalidating Escalation as a core rulebook, which right now it is. I expect a cut and paste of the T. C'tan(if included at all) from escalation, just like the Stompa. GW needs to sell those plastic Vaults.

I have never seen anyone use the original model for the T-C'tan

I have 6 of the original model for the T-C'tan. Pics available.

And this kind of thing is probably why Unbound gets a bad rep, but the freedom to take whatever tek you want for the formation shouldn't amount to cheese or spam, just sound tactics on what would probably be a mediocre (with current rules) unit. If the new codex is more balanced you won't see the spam lists that necrons had to resort to in sixth to stay competitive. Better dex overall will lead to more variety in lists, and hopefully break people of the opinion that necron players are waac players.

legions_no_more wrote:
Unbound allow my 15 cryptek on the field, 10 lords, 5 destroyer lords, 5 overlords, to hit the gaming table. Also it allows my opponent to run 10 purgation squad with psycannons, and 10 strikesquad with incinerators. Fun times!

and so much more,

Unbound is what GW created so you can enjoy the true hobby of collecting ALL GW miniatures.(not just a single army)

so yes field your 15 upgraded crypteks all will the same unique wargear AND include in your army an Imperial Knight, a big mek with shokk attack gun, a chaos Rhino, a squad of death company, thunderwolf Calvary, one or two wave serpents, a flyrant, a soulgrinder, some marine scouts, 3 raven wing bikers, 2 wyches, and a Riptide.

Unbound specifically says "simply use whichever units from your collection you want" If i have all of the things listed in the above example in my collection then it satisfies the unbound army.

 Sigvatr wrote:


I have never seen anyone use the original model for the T-C'tan

Well since you've never seen it, it must be true.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:


I have never seen anyone use the original model for the T-C'tan

Well since you've never seen it, it must be true.

I just had to exalt this, as mean as it is.

So will the Necrons be getting a campaign box to tie them in with another army in a few months? That's been the pattern so far right?

 keltikhoa wrote:


Unbound is what GW created so you can enjoy the true hobby of collecting ALL GW miniatures.(not just a single army)

so yes field your 15 upgraded crypteks all will the same unique wargear

You might want to familiarize yourself with the rules for Unbound. Specifically what it allows and what it does not allow.

I don't get how people think that Unbound = ignore all rules.

Maybe we will get crypteks as independant HQ choices in the new codex, until then RaW you cannot take upgraded crypteks in that formation.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 keltikhoa wrote:


Unbound is what GW created so you can enjoy the true hobby of collecting ALL GW miniatures.(not just a single army)

so yes field your 15 upgraded crypteks all will the same unique wargear

You might want to familiarize yourself with the rules for Unbound. Specifically what it allows and what it does not allow.

I don't get how people think that Unbound = ignore all rules.

Without the rulebook in front of me and you implying you're more familiar with the rulesame please by all means enlighten me as to how I'm getting it wrong? As it stands you're just telling me I'm wrong in how I remember reading it?

Well unbound tells you that you need to still follow all rules for the unit creation.

AKA if i wana take conscripts i still needa buy the whole infantry platoon squad to unlock it.

 keltikhoa wrote:
Unbound is what GW created so you can enjoy the true hobby of collecting ALL GW miniatures.(not just a single army)

By the Throne I hope you're being facetious.

Actually, I think you can make the Crypteks of the Shard formation into Harbingers.

The Cryptek entry list itself grants broad permission to upgrade to a Harbinger by exchanging staff of light for a Harbinger weapon. The asterix then clarifies "Any number of Crypteks that are in a Royal Court can be upgraded to a single, specific type of Harbinger. Whilst you can have any number of Harbingers of a specific type, each of the Harbinger's unique wargear options can only be chosen once in each royal court"

In other words it's important to distinguish between these two reads of the rule.

"Any number of Crypteks that are in a Royal Court can be upgraded to a single, specific type of Harbinger"

"Crypteks that are in a Royal Court can be upgraded to a single, specific type of Harbinger"

So basically you can upgrade the Crypteks of the Shard formation into Stormteks and Veilteks, which would make the formation bordering on playable.

FYI... the eBook version of Codex: Necrons is no longer available on BlackLibrary.com. I'm not sure when it was taken down, but it's definitely not there now.

The iBook and physical copies are still available.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


By the Throne I hope you're being facetious.

I wish I were. that was said with a heavy dose of sarcasm unfortunately even the example in the rulebook for unbound suggests just throw whatever you want in. "for example Jon uses unbound method, He chooses some of them from Codex: Space Marines and some from Codex: Tau Empire"

 Desubot wrote:
Well unbound tells you that you need to still follow all rules for the unit creation.

AKA if i wana take conscripts i still needa buy the whole infantry platoon squad to unlock it.

Will you please point me in the direction of these rules? Looking at the rulebook under Unbound Armies says the following.

The only requirement to field a unit that I see in that rule is it has to be a unit from your collection... which is not really a requirement at all.

Furthermore looking at "The Primary Detachment" "Of course, in an unbound army, these models are not bound by any detachment restrictions and do not receive command benefits."
Bold is important

 keltikhoa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


By the Throne I hope you're being facetious.

I wish I were. that was said with a heavy dose of sarcasm unfortunately even the example in the rulebook for unbound suggests just throw whatever you want in. "for example Jon uses unbound method, He chooses some of them from Codex: Space Marines and some from Codex: Tau Empire"

 Desubot wrote:
Well unbound tells you that you need to still follow all rules for the unit creation.

AKA if i wana take conscripts i still needa buy the whole infantry platoon squad to unlock it.

Will you please point me in the direction of these rules? Looking at the rulebook under Unbound Armies says the following.

Spoiler:

The unbound method is the easiest way to organise an army: simply use whichever units from your collection you want. Besides being the quickest way to get your models on the tabletop, the unbound method also allows you to try out exciting new combinations in your army such as fielding a whole force of tanks or flyers, or even special characters.

The only requirement to field a unit that I see in that rule is it has to be a unit from your collection... which is not really a requirement at all.

Furthermore looking at "The Primary Detachment" "Of course, in an unbound army, these models are not bound by any detachment restrictions and do not receive command benefits."
Bold is important

Hmm you appear to be correct i cant seem to find where i read the must still follow the actual unit creation rules. il keep digging i might find it or i might be eating my shoe.

actually the Detachment restrictions have nothing to do with unit selection

a detachment restriction would be along the lines of trying to take 7 troops and 3 hq units that take up slots.

See my post above. You CAN make the Crypteks of the Shard formation into Harbingers. The Cryptek entry list grants broad permission to do so and then it clarifies "Any number . . ." but does not restrict that they can only be bought in a Royal Court.

I would be into them doing Dark Future. Nephew is sort of a hot wheels / Cars kid and could possibly get him interested. You have to drag the kid kicking and screaming to anything new /sigh

 NecronLord3 wrote:
My suggestion though is don't play Necrons until the new book comes out.

I was thinking the opposite. Now is the time to create supper cheese-wiz formations using Exterminatus and play it as much as possible before everything is re-balanced with the new codex. Also, make sure to play against people who have pet Forge World pieces or run unbound lists and tell them to cut the whining.

Ugh, more and more sources saying Jan 31st release -.-

Well, we have time to wait. Let's do some wishlisting. How about... Lychguard can ride in Ghost Arks.

I really hope Necrons come out largely unscathed from their walk through the nerfing. Some stuff is going to get point increases (probably hefty ones in some cases), but the rules aren't very broken otherwise.

Well, apart from the completely broken Tesla/snapshot interaction.

MaxT wrote:
Well, apart from the completely broken Tesla/snapshot interaction.

What's broken about Tesla and snapshots?

col_impact wrote:

MaxT wrote:
Well, apart from the completely broken Tesla/snapshot interaction.

What's broken about Tesla and snapshots?

Nothing? That it is only slightly better than some weapons when snap firing and yet at the same time people can't do basic Mathhammer 40k and realize they don't generate more shots than normal shooting?

I hope we just get some kits with upgrade options for Crypteks for one.